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XXX says: Adult Friend Finder is a totally illegal business no 2257 AT ALL - major scandal. They have illegal pictures. They have no proof that their models are over 18. Jerry Butler: "Buck [Adams] and Amber [Lynn] were adopted by their stepparents. Their biological mother died of cancer. They led a shabby life in Orange County. They were rednecks -- poor white trash. Grew up stealing and driving fast cars." Nancy Pera, the manager of the late porn star Savannah:
Bud Lee: "Even though Steven Hirsch catered to rock stars, he'd rather hang out with the A&R people... He'd get all these guys from Sony and Columbia and Virgin and Mercury coming in to watch people film their scenes." Tim Connelly: "Marc [Carriere] was known for sending these girls off to Idaho -- to Dr. Pearl. He'd call the doctor up and have him add more cc's of silicone or saline, so that the girls came out with monstrous breasts." Treasure Brown: "Would Marc tell the surgeon to make the girls' tits bigger when they were already under? Yeah, that's completely true." Retired FBI agent Roger Young: "Reuben [Sturman] confirmed that [Robert DiBernardo] was his contact in organized crime. Here's the wealthiest...pornographer...in the history of the world -- and none of the other families could really go after him because [DiBernardo] already claimed him, already had him under control." Tim Connelly on the late Cal Jammer: "Cal photographed real well up close because he looked a little pockmarked and tinted and a little ravaged from the sun. But you could tell he wasn't going to age well because of his features. But he had really beautiful blue eyes. Striking blue, sharp, with a gleam in them. And he had a decent body. He had that whole West Coast porn star look down." Jill Kelly: "I was fifteen the first time I danced naked. I was nervous, but they, of course, thought I was of age. "I did live sex shows with Tyffany Million in San Francisco at the O'Farrell." AVN's Interview With The Authors Of The Other Hollywood Jared Rutter presides. Legs McNeil: "Well, nobody knew I was involved. See, Legs McNeil is a big name, for better or worse, and I'm very sorry to say this, guys, but for better or worse, my name has some commercial merit to it. And if someone knows I'm on the story, they'll want more money; they'll pull back. So I try to stay as far in the background so no one knows what I'm doing." Jared Rutter's review of the book. I Was Wrong About The Other Hollywood My initial impression of the book (based on articles about it and my first look through it) was that it only rehashed familiar stories. I was wrong. While most of the book is familiar to me, there are many stories I've never heard of. I particularly enjoyed the MIPORN and Mob stuff. Vinny DeStephano, a duplicator, is the guy Rob Spallone and I just missed meeting at Michael Esposito's office last Thursday. Bobby Elkins, pornographer (who is he?): "Vince DeStephano and I were really close friends. They whacked Bobby DeSalvo [pornographer], and they were gonna whack Vinny. They said that he took money; I really have no idea if he did or not." United States Prosecutive Memorandum, January 1980: "Vincent James DiStephano, aka "Vince": "Born 12/7/31 in New York City. Last known address: 17248 Barnestown St., Granada Hills, California. DiStephano works as a manager for Louis and Joseph Peraino at Arrow Films and Video, Los Angeles, California." Bobby Elkins:
From the 1986 Meese Commission report (summarizing the findings of the MIPORN investigation):
Henri Pachard: "Women didn't discover their power until video came along. Until then the power belonged to the director. How much would I get paid to direct a film? Fifteen thousand dollars and up." AVN Debuts Sales/Rental Charts
Travis says: "Wow, AVN is getting ambitious -- a new science-fiction story every Monday!" "Stanton Carlisle" writes: "This will save people the trouble of paging through AVN and counting the ads." Missy Monroe On KSEX Gene Ross writes: "A mellow, perhaps, spaced-out Missy Monroe was a guest on The Wanker Show Monday night." Gene reports on the latest drama at Metro. Frank Black Interview I met Frank at Porn Star Karaoke last Tuesday night. I interview him by telephone on the afternoon of March 22. Duke: "How did you get into the porn industry?" Frank: "I gave my friend a ride to the shoot [in January 2004]. He ended up not doing the shoot [with Angelo D'Angela]. I took his place. "I've done eight scenes. I like it. I get laid and I get paid. "Right now this is [Frank's only job]. I got fired [doing inventory for an auto-parts supplier]. It was a temporary job. They had strict rules." Duke: "How do you live off doing just eight scenes?" Frank: "I've had other jobs. I don't have too many bills. I don't have to hustle myself. "I never knew what job I wanted to do. I figured this was a cool one to get into. My friends think it's cool. They trip out on it." Duke: "What are your ambitions?" Frank: "Make money and live life the way I want. I want to make my own rules. "I don't have any internet access. I've got to get me a laptop." I met VCA contract girl Britney at her party March 10: Britney Rears Britney Rears Britney Rears I call Britney, 19, Tuesday at 10:30am. She sounds half asleep. Luke: "When you were a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up?" Britney: "I wanted to be what I am." Luke: "No." Britney: "No. I wanted to be an actress." Luke: "Were you encouraged to follow that path? Discouraged?" Britney: "No. There's a little bit of acting that I did. I'm pretty close to that..." Luke: "No, no, no. When you were a kid, were you encouraged to become an actor or were you discouraged?" Britney: "No. Well, no. No one encouraged me. I just wanted that on my own. I don't know. I just enjoy it." Luke: "What were you expected to become?" Britney: "I don't know. I don't really think I've become anything. I still think I'm young, you know? I could become anything." Luke: "When you were a kid, what did your family or friends or relatives expect you to become? Did they try to push you in any path?" Britney: "They thought I'd become like a model or an actress... I just have that kind of personality. I even tried out for some acting classes." Luke: "What kind of crowd did you hang out with in highschool?" Britney: "I was a nerd. I was a good student. I would hang out with the nerds." Luke: "What were your best classes?" Britney: "PE. No. Maybe, I don't know, English?" Luke: "What was your GPA?" Britney: "3.0" Luke: "Do you remember your SATs?" Britney laughs: "No, I don't remember." Luke: "Did you go to college?" Britney: "Yeah, I went to college. I'm not going to say which one." Luke: "What did you study and how long did you last?" Britney: "I studied, umm, a couple of classes. I don't really want to talk about that. "This is Britney Rears, right?" Luke: "Yeah. So how did you get into the adult industry?" Britney: "A friend of mine [Jasmine]. She was doing it for a while and she wanted me to get in." Britney speaks so low and softly that I can barely make out what she's saying. She did her one porn scene in September of 2004. "It wasn't what I expected. It's not like regular sex. It's a lot of work. It's not what I expected. That's for sure." Luke: "How come you haven't done it again?" Britney: "I don't really want... There are risks. It's not really good for me to do every scene. You don't know where everyone has been. Even that one scene risked my health. "What am I talking about? Hello?" Luke: "Yes." Britney: "That's why I do it as less as I can. I know that it is a risk. That's why I don't do gangbangs and double anal. I did read up a little bit about it. I heard there was an AIDS scare or something like that. I wanted to get involved with this but not too much." Luke: "When do you expect to do your next scene?" Britney: "In a month or two. I know Howard Stern is coming up quick. Yay!" Luke: "Who came up with the name Britney Rears?" Britney: "My publicist Jeff Mullen." Luke: "Do you get many people in regular life thinking you're Britney Spears?" Britney: "Yeah, a lot of people. In highschool, people would say, 'Ohmig-d, you remind me of Britney Spears.' Everyone thinks that's me." Luke: "Was Britney Spears a role model for you when you were a teenager?" Britney: "Well yeah. I think every teenager, at a time, is [influenced] by her. She wasn't really a role model. She was just someone that everyone admired. I didn't really have a role model. I'm sure she was for a lot of other people." Luke: "What are your ambitions?" Britney: "I don't know. I'm 19 and I want to let things settle down. I don't know. We'll see where my life goes from there. I don't know now. I'm too young. I've got to keep on going. I have a lot of ambitions inside." Britney stands 5'4" and measures 34B-24-34. She's never had plastic surgery. Luke: "So what do you do in your spare time when you are not making that one scene?" Britney: "I masturbate." Luke: "Anything else?" Britney: "I have guys come over and we have sex. I'm very wild. "Is this for a radio station?" Luke: "No, this is for the website www.lukeisback.com." Britney: "Because I wanted to make it interesting for you. I just gave a guy a blowjob yesterday." Luke: "What do you do aside from sexual things?" Britney: "That's all I do." Britney laughs. "No. I don't know. I play with my cat and I go out with my friends. I do whatever I want." Luke: "Did you have singing lessons? How did you pull off that song on your website?"
Britney: "Oh. Yes. I had singing lessons." Luke: "Do you want to pursue that?" Britney: "No. I don't think so. Just because I'm Britney Rears doesn't mean that I want to be a singer. I'm an actress. I'm a porn star. I'm not a singer." Luke: "So how did you like your party the other night?" Britney: "It was great. I had a wonderful time. I got off too when I got home. I went home and I masturbated. No. I went home with a guy and we had sex. It was hot. "I was sitting down and everyone was really nice to me. I met an actor [in Hollywood, not porn] there who I'm going out with. We haven't f---ed yet." Luke: "Would you rather date someone inside the industry or outside the industry?" Britney: "Outside. My life relates to someone outside of it. It's like I have two separate lives. I just don't think that I could date anyone within the business. My whole life isn't in the business. I've never really dated anyone within the business. I've been friends with people in the business." Luke: "What do you love and hate about the porn business?" Britney: "I love that you can create a character and be crazy and wild and go have sex. I can be whoever I want to be. The people are really open-minded and you can do whatever you want. "The things that I don't like. I don't know. I suppose there are some people that don't really... I mean... I don't know. I guess there's nothing that I don't like about it. It's all good." Britney lost her virginity at age 16. "It was a bad experience. My pussy was so tight and the guy was really big. It hurt. But after that, after the third, fourth, fifth time, it was good." Luke: "How many guys have you slept with in your life?" Britney: "A gazillion. No. That would make me a slut. Maybe 10, 15, 20... Does that make me a slut? I love sex so much. I usually have one partner and I stay with that partner until the next one." Luke: "Would you resent it if people called you a slut?" Britney: "No. I love being a slut." Luke: "How has being a porn star affected your private life?" Britney: "It really hasn't affected my life. It has affected the dating part of my life. I can't really date a regular guy unless he's open-minded." Luke: "How have family and friends reacted to your becoming a porn star?" Britney: "They weren't surprised. I was always a sexual person." Luke: "Can you have sex with someone you don't love?" Britney: "Yeah, I think I've done it. Love takes time. Either you are going to get off while you are not in love or you are not going to get off at all." Luke: "How many times in your life have you been in love?" Britney: "Once. I had a boyfriend for a year. I was very much in love with him. We had sex every day, well, almost every day. Every other day." Luke: "What happened to that relationship?" Britney: "He wasn't comfortable with me doing what I am doing now. He didn't want to be with me. We broke up because I moved." Luke: "So you chose the industry over him?" Britney: "Yeah. I didn't want to be with him at the time. We did have some problems. Financially. I had gotten some money [coming] from a [car] accident I had when I was 14. He knew that. He was using me. At that time, I didn't need that. The girl shouldn't have to pay every time you go out." Luke: "Do you still suffer ill effects from the accident?" Britney: "No. It's over and done with." Luke: "Is it easy for you to turn it on and off as a sex star?" Britney: "I always want to have sex. It's not easy when you're 19. You have all these hormones." Luke: "Why do you think your sex drive is so big?" Britney: "Because I don't have a lot of experiences. When you first discover something, and you like it, and you have a little bit of it, you want more." Luke: "Do you think Britney Spears music influenced you to be more sexual?" Britney: "Yes. Maybe. No. I don't think it takes anything." Shay Thomas - Former Big Beautiful Porn Star I interview ex-porn star Shay by phone Monday evening, March 21, 2005. She did about 50 scenes between the end of 1991 and the middle of 1995. During that time, Shay weighed between 145-250 pounds. I met her at karaoke the other night. I left at 11pm but she didn't leave until 2:30am. Duke: "When you were a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up?" Shay: "A singer." Duke: "Did other people encourage you down that path?" Shay: "Absolutely not. Not then." Duke: "What were you expected to become?" Shay: "My mother wanted me to become a lawyer or writer. I didn't have a dad around. He [was killed] when I was young." Duke: "Why didn't you pursue writing?" Shay: "I was always a smart kid. Lots of reasons. Things took a dramatic turn when I was a teenager and I ended up on my own. Career at that point wasn't as important as exercising my freedom and trying to find out who I was." Duke: "When did you go out on your own?" Shay: "At 16." Duke: "How did that come about?" Shay: "I got pregnant. I ended up having to marry the guy. He was considerably older. I married at 16. I had a baby at 17. I divorced at 18." Duke: "What kind of student were you before you got married?" Shay: "Let me put it this way: I've been a member of MENSA for the past 21 years. I was a straight-A student [in a good private school], which also translates into 'copiously bored.' "Highschool was the complete turning point for me. Before highschool, I was a complete geek. Chess Club. Library Club. By the time I hit highschool, I didn't fit in with that crowd. I wasn't sure what crowd I did fit in with. I ended up in the 'burnout.' That's what we called the people in the smoking area. That's where you had to go if you wanted to listen to Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin." Duke: "How did you get into porn?" Shay: "I had been married again. I was with him for ten years. I left him in 1992. "He always knew I was interested in women. Things were not going well in the relationship. He said, why don't you go find a girl and bring her home? That sounded like a good idea. The girl I brought home was an editor in the business (who also performs under the name Kira). I ended up having more in common with her than I did with him. I did the threesome thing for a while. I ended up leaving him and lived with her for three years. "I was interested in [porn] but I didn't know much about it. There was the intriguing part and the whole big scary part. She was due to do a scene with Ron Jeremy. I'd heard wonderful things and horrible things about him. He scared me. I decided that I was going to go on set and be bodyguard. "I walked out on the set and saw them working. I was enthralled. I went into the dressing room and tried on costumes and played with make-up. I walked out on the set. The director looked at me and said, 'Do you want to join in?' I said sure. "At the end [of Shay's porn career], I had started losing the weight [down to 145 at bottom] and I had started doing bondage things. "There's a movie (Big Bad Biker Bitches) with about five scenes of me. All the scenes were done at different times with different directors. In each scene I'm a different size." At her peak, Shay had a 40D bust. Now she's a 32B. Shay now weighs 130 pounds and works in mainstream entertainment. "I feel better now than I ever have." Duke: "What did you love and what did you hate about your time in the industry?" Shay: "I hated being in positions on the set where you didn't feel you had control over what you were going to be doing. They presented you with a scene you weren't prepared for, such as a DP. That's not something I would ever do in my private life. My rule is that I would not do something in front of millions of people that I would not do in my own bedroom. "One thing that was cool was that back then when you were an actress, you could pretty much choose who you wanted to work with. As long as that actor didn't mind working with a BBW (Big Beautiful Woman) or whatever they call it now, a healthy girl... There were a lot who didn't like it but there were a lot who didn't mind." Duke: "Did you work with Dave Hardman?" Shay: "Many times." Duke: "Ron Jeremy?" Shay: "I'll probably get beat-up for saying this, but he really was good in bed." Duke: "Were you a chubby kid?" Shay: "Oh yeah." Duke: "How old were you when you lost your virginity?" Shay: "That I don't really want to get into." Duke: "How do you look back on your time in the porn industry? With pride? With shame?" Shay: "With neither. It's a slice of my life. With any experience, positive or negative, you take what you can use with you. What I got from it was a healthy sexual appetite and attitude. I don't think I need to be public about it anymore. That part of my life is over. I still go to swinger parties and I am still active in my own way, just not on camera." Duke: "Are you primarily attracted to men or women?" Shay: "Yeah. Why choose? "I can't say that I get sex as often as I'd like it but I definitely have the appetite." Duke: "Are you a nymphomaniac?" Shay: "That's an interesting question. I don't think there's a real answer to that. I'd say that a nymphomaniac is somebody who can't be satisfied. I can be satisfied. I am not insatiable. I am easy to sate. I have too many things going on in my life to be that focused on sex. I have more difficult than the average person in being monogamous because I am truly bisexual." Duke: "How did you and how do you feel about the porn industry?" Shay: "I felt better about it then than now. Now there are so many people in it..." Duke: "Do you think it exploits women?" Shay: "Oh yeah. It always did. Back then there were fewer people in it [in front of the camera], so if attention was your thing, you got that. If money was your thing, you got that. Now there are so many people, the money is divided and the attention is divided. Nobody is getting exactly what they want. So they are going into it and becoming unsatisfied with their decision. Something that big that will follow you for the rest of your life, you need to be sure about why you are doing it. I don't think the girls now are as clear on the decision as I think I was back then. Plus, a lot of the stuff they do now, I think they call it gonzo porn, we didn't have a name for it back then, we just called it kinky crap... The huge gangbangs and triple penetrations... They don't exist in nature. There's a lot of gross stuff out there now." Duke: "You've worked in many different industries. Is the porn industry the filthiest?" Shay: "Oh yeah. Well, I take that back. Yes, on the surface it is. To me, the business that I am in now is right up there, only because it is more devious." Duke: "Were you ever raped on set?" Shay: "No. It was always my decision. I could've walked away but it was a high pressure environment." Duke: "You were pressured into doing things you didn't want to do?" Shay: "Yeah. I was a lot younger then and I wasn't as confident." Duke: "So what do you think about all those 18-year old girls who get caught up in that meatgrinder?" Shay: "It's a choice. Yes, they're young and I'd like to see them not in it. I've got kids that age and older. I'd like it if they would raise the age [to 21]. At the same token, if I were to watch a movie, I'd get turned on, so I'd be a hypocrite to say that I wish nobody was in it." Duke: "How would you feel if a family member were to get involved as talent?" Shay: "I would beat their ass. That would not happen." Duke: "So does that say you have more regard for them than you did for yourself?" Shay: "No. I was in a different place. I don't think they need to touch the stove to find out that it is hot if I am there to tell them that it is." Duke: "I've noticed a common theme among the women who did [porn] -- they didn't have good relationships with their fathers." Shay: "I didn't have one." Duke: "Did you notice that theme among the women you got to know in the industry?" Shay: "When I was in the industry, we didn't really talk about things like that. We didn't talk about anything that personal. They were my circle of friends as well as my work but we didn't talk about family things. Maybe that's your answer. Porn was an escape from everything. It didn't matter what you were running from. We all ended up in the same place." Duke: "Did your time in porn constrict your world or make it broader?" Shay: "Both. It constricted me in the sense that it was an illusion that people were paying money to see me, they must really like it. It was a false confidence. One of the reasons I was doing it was because I was very self-conscious about how I looked. I started off practically frigid and found out it was the one thing open to me sexually. At the same time, you're still being judged. There were reviews in AVN by Gene about how gross it was to watch something like us. That hurts your feelings. Then you'd get fan mail from people." Duke: "Has it come back to haunt you?" Shay: "Not haunt me. I've been careful about keeping it private. I do share the story with people I get to know. I usually don't tell them the stage name. Once in a while, I'll get recognized. But I look so different now it doesn't happen very often." Duke: "Do the people you get close to ever use it against you?" Shay: "I had one relationship with someone a lot younger than me and he couldn't get past it. That always prevented us from having a closer relationship. He's probably the only person who held it against me. Even my family knew about it and they got over it." Duke: "How did you react to having fans?" Shay: "It was great. How would you react to having a fan?" [It would depended on what I did to get the fan.] Shay: "That's a silly question." Duke: "No, it isn't. It can be really creepy." Shay: "To be a porn person, you have to be an exhibitionist." Duke: "Did you ever work as an escort?" Shay: "No. Well, I take that back. Yes, but not on purpose. Another thing about our friend Ron Jeremy. He likes to bend the rules. He told me that we were doing a BJ scene for a director friend of his [in porn]. It was supposed to be on this cable network back East. I did the BJ scene. Afterwards, we were starting to leave. I said, wait a minute. I haven't filled out any paperwork. I haven't signed a release. He hasn't asked me for my ID or my test results. "Ron was like, oh, don't worry about it. We don't need it. "It occurred to me later that that was what it was -- he pimped me out to his friend. "They filmed the whole thing. I figured it out later that it was for his own use. He didn't just want a blowjob then. He wanted to be able to watch it over and over again. "Ron is a brilliant guy. If a release is the only difference between prostitution and movies, a piece of paper, there really isn't any difference. That's not the way I viewed it. "It makes me sad when people cross the line [between porn and prostitution]. "It was more than just entertainment for me. I enjoyed what I was doing 98% of the time." Duke: "Were drugs prevalent during [your time in porn]?" Shay: "Definitely." Duke: "What were the popular drugs then?" Shay: "Probably the same as now. Coke and speed and things that keep you energized and skinny." Duke: "Did you ever have a problem with those?" Shay: "I did for about a year. After the [January 1994 earthquake in Northridge, when Shay lost her home]... At the end [of Shay's porn career], when I lost all that weight." Duke: "Did you have to throw off a lot of bad habits when you left the industry and entered the straight world?" Shay: "Yes. I cut myself off from everything and everybody in it and went back to real life." Duke: "What was it like having a MENSA IQ in an un-MENSA industry?" Shay: "You'd be surprised at how many people are brilliant -- Ron Jeremy, Rebecca Wilde, Buck Adams, Asia Carrera." Porn Whores Are All Crazy Jeff Steward of JM Productions writes on XPT:
Whatever Happened To James Bonn?
Serious, adult sexuality a turn-off for movie audiences
ADT's Moderator Bono's Visit To Los Angeles
Show me the money shot: How porn made itself at home in America's living room
Tom Hymes Resigns As Editor Of AVN Online Magazine I heard rumors about this for months. Tom has been around since the first issue of AVN Online in May of 1999. He hasn't taken a vacation in two years. I understand he will keep freelancing for AVN. He's on good terms with all the important people at AVN such as Paul Fishbein and Darren Roberts. Tom has a wife and kid to look after and Mrs Hymes may be a tad nervous about this move. Tom owns TomHymes.com and he will be writing on that. He's going to the Phoenix Forum in the beginning of April. Hymes gave notice a few weeks ago. He's back on stage in some Berthold Brecht play. Tom has viewed his job at AVN Online as helping companies get their message out. He wants to support the industry. He's never viewed AVN Online as an investigative journal. Copy editor Ken Michaels, one of AVN's best writers of all time, left a few weeks ago to move to Phoenix. Tony Lovett aka Antonio Passolini is the managing editor of AVN Online. I assume he will be the new editor. Hymes has long maintained that he's had editorial independence with the magazine and the buck stopped with him. If you look at XBizWorld and AVN Online magazines, they are different animals. AVN Online is more feature-oriented and XBizWorld is more news-oriented. The magazines look different and read different. Janine Leaves Vivid Janine writes on ADT: "Let me start by saying I love Vivid...I always will but I did, in fact, had to leave. We just couldn't agree on certain terms. I did not leave with ill feelings. Steve told me he wanted the best for me.......so I made a bee-line to Digital Playground. I signed a 1 year contract and during that time I'll be making 6 titles. I'm sad about leaving Vivid but I'm happy about all the new possiblities with Digital." Women R Wild Clubstyle Atlantic City These DVDs were shot October first and third 2003. Keith Gordon (owner of Bizarre Video) is the custodian of records. 34 15th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11215. Tera Patrick introduces it: "See what happens when stars come down from the heavens and mingle with the mortals." Can anyone help me with these IDs? Nina Hartley pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic pic Aria Aria Alexandra Silk pic pic pic pic pic pic pic Director Thieves
The Case Of The Full Moon Murders
In the new book The Other Hollywood, Fred Lincoln says: "Jean Jennings came to us through Lenny Camp. He's the guy who gave us all the girls. He knew all the girls; he was probably giving them all Quaaludes and f---ing them all. And he liked them young -- they were all underage." Sharon Mitchell: "People were surprised that girls started in porn when they were underage, but I wasn't surprised because I started underage... I starred in my first feature, Joy, when I was seventeen..." Bill Kelly: "Lenny Camp used to photograph probably thousands of girls between the ages of fifteen and eighteen or nineteen, and he sampled the merchandise..." Lenny Camp got 15 years in prison for taking pictures of a seventeen year old girl in a sexual situation, which constitutes child pornography. Lenny served five-and-a-half years.
Patrice Trudeau aka Patrice La Perle was a Penthouse model, porn star and swinger. "My sixteen-year-old brother had me blowing him when I was four. He taught me how to suck cock by practicing on his. And my mother was a French prostitute." The Lady Killers Chaim Amalek writes:
Porn Stars In Europe Vs America PXP (Platinum X Pictures) director Steve Holmes posts to ADT:
Saturday night at the American Film Institute, Cathy Seipp moderated the best panel discussion I've heard in years. It was far better than our blogger panel from two years ago. TV writers Paul Feig (Freaks & Geeks, wrote books), Scott Kaufer (Boston Legal), Rob Long (Cheers), and Tim Minear (Angel) were quick, feisty and funny. The event was sponsored by the center-right American Cinema Foundation. The panel ran 80 minutes as did the shmoozing afterwards. Cathy asked the panelists what they said to people who told them they don't watch television. Tim Minear: "I run them over with my Mercedes." Rob Long: "A few years ago, The LA Times Calendar section ran an interview with a woman who was the executive producer of a hit comedy at Warner Brothers starring Candice Bergen [Diane English of Murphy Brown], and she said, 'We never watch TV. We don't even have cable.' A little later in the interview, she said, 'We don't watch TV. All we watch is CNN and the Discovery Channel.'" Scott Kaufer: "When I was an executive at Warners Television, people used to come in and pitch me shows we had on the air. They were the better pitches. When we said, that show is not only on TV, but we produce it, they'd say, 'Ehh, I don't watch TV.' Why would we want to be in the business with you?" Paul: "It's an old fashioned prejudice. I don't think you hear younger people saying it. When I was working with directors on my show, any director over 40 would say, 'If I don't have the camera moving all the time, it's going to look like a TV show.' But to a 23yo, cameras moving all the time was TV." Tim: "It's such an old fashioned prejudice when there are so many crappy movies and good TV." Cathy: "Paul, there was a scene in Freaks & Geeks about watching a porn movie, and I thought it was one of the most wholesome scenes I had ever seen. It was sweet and touching and dealing with porn." Paul: "If you give someone heroine, they're going to become hooked. Sure, we can give people what their base instincts want. You can throw girls in bikinis up on there and people are going to watch, but what's the point? My mom used to get upset at all these talkshows with people screaming and yelling. 'It doesn't do anything but bring the general mood of the country down.' "As an artist, you should say, what can I do to make people think, and not just add to the crap. Sure you can sell something, but the goal is to something that you can be proud of. I want to sleep with myself at night." Cathy to Tim: "Your show is going to be bloodier and gorier than Silence of the Lambs. You told me before that you have to build character development or it becomes pornography." Tim: "It is lurid. That's what the genre is. I don't apologize for it. I didn't apologize for it on Angel. The responsibility that I apparently have, I just got a [Fox] network note because I had a character (one of the good guys) who smoked. No longer. She's played by an actress on Wonderfalls last year who smoked. They said, we don't have characters who smoke on our network. "We have a cigarette smoking man, but he's evil." Scott: "In Boston Legal, we end pretty much every episode with James Spader and William Shatner smoking on the balcony. Even though this is a different network, it is the same studio [producing both series]. We always get the network note, it's part of the boiler plate of their notes, please be advised that ABC wishes to refrain from scenes showing people smoking. If you show people smoking, don't show them inhaling. "Never once this season have I paid any attention to that note or heard any follow-up." Tim: "I can't get away with it." Rob: "We had a lot of resistance to vagina [from ABC]. We were told that that's a word you shouldn't use. Because we are writers and artists, we took the word out. "You're not going to tell a new story. All the stories are out there. You're just going to try to use interesting language." Scott: "We get the most [aggravation] from [network censors] over commercial words. We have a script that shoots next week that makes extensive use of the word 'Viagra.' The network...told us to change it to "little blue pills" because the Cialis people will get mad." Tim: "I couldn't have [a serial killer] say the word 'retard' because the serial killer would've been insensitive." The killer ended up saying "handi-capable." Paul: "The medium we work in is so incredibly powerful that it is frightening. With Freaks & Geeks, I wrote scenes for a smoking patio [at a high school]. When I was growing up, even in Junior High, there was a smoking patio. We got it cast and we were about to shoot the smoking scene, and Judd Aptow and I looked at each other and said, 'We can't do it. These kids are so appealing and they look so cool, that it's like telling kids to go ahead and smoke.' "It became the junkfood eating patio. We allowed one character to have a cigarette behind his ears and he could play with a lighter." Rob: "In France, they are not talking about not having people smoke on TV." Rob says you can always trick network censors by sending them pages late (after you've shot the scenes). "It's more often when you're pitching something [that you run into problems with the network]. When you pitch something, they hear what they want to hear, and you go write the script, and it is not what they expected it to be. You get away with much more when you write the script as a spec. If you ask, the answer is almost always no. If you do it, the answer is, well, I wish you wouldn't have, but now that you've shot it... "We wrote a joke about a group of people at an ad agency trying to come up with a name for frozen hot dogs -- Anne Franks. 'They hide in your grocer's freezer.' We got a note from the network that Anne Frank is a revered character..." Paul: "We used 'Hitler' [as a punchline]. We got a note saying that if you use 'Hitler' in a lighthearted way, it takes the onus off his acts." Rob: "There was one writer who named all crack whores, prostitutes and strippers after his mother." Now that Scott Kaufer is no longer a magazine editor, he's frustrated that he can't assign a 10,000 word piece on Susan Estrich. Thirty minutes in, Cathy opens up to questions from the audience. A woman asks, five times, if the shift of the CBS TV movie on Reagen got shifted to Showtime. The writers had varying reactions. Rob thought it was cool that people could get together and protest something and make a difference. Rob: "An actress in her mid-to-late eighties said she wasn't ready to play a [young] grandmother. We couldn't even get completion bond with her." The audience erupts in laughter. It must be an inside audience to laugh at the punch line "completion bond." Rob recalls a network pushing him to create more racial diversity within a family. Scott: "David Kelly wrote a line for a character who says, "I'd much rather be on HBO." We had to change it to, "I'd much rather be on cable." Tim and Paul say they seek racial diversity even without network prodding. While I walk back to my van, a woman with a boyfriend told me she wouldn't get into the back unless I buy her dinner first. I like a woman who drives a hard bargain. At 11pm, the security guards had to ask us to leave the parking lot so they could close the gate. Jackie reports on the evening. Paris Hilton Profits From Red Light's One Night In Paris DVD? I heard she was in on this the whole time, meaning not only did she give Rick Saloman permission to sell the tape, but she is also profiting from it. She has been receiving monthly checks. The last one was for $300k. I understand that Paris has an arrangement directly wtih RLD (Red Light District). I'm also hearing about a purported tape of her and Backstreet Boy Nick Carter. Autumn Rayne Quits Porn
Shaking Down Michael Esposito Julia Bond Julia Bond Julia Bond Julia Bond Julia Bond Julia, LT Julia, LT Rob Spallone Rob Spallone Rob Spallone Layla Rivera Layla Rivera Layla Rivera Thursday, March 17, 2005. I arrive at Str-8 Up studios at 10am. Rob: "Everybody owes me money. It's time to collect. I'm no longer gonna be nice." Rob's divorce has been going on for a year this month. Rob wants to talk about the Robert Blake acquittal. "How many people do you think are going to kill their wives tonight? It's easy to get away with if you're one of them [celebrities]. "Now look at the black guy [who killed people in the Atlanta Court room last month]. Do you think we need to have a trial for him?" Luke: "Just shoot him." Rob: "You know what Robert Blake did last night? He had a party at the restaurant where she got killed." I ask him if he wants to kill his wife. Rob: "No. You've got to be a celebrity to kill your wife. Captain Kirk killed his wife. O.J. killed his wife. Robert Wagner killed his wife. Rob Spallone even thinks about killing his wife and he goes to jail. "The other gorilla? The fake black guy [Michael Jackson]? I'm getting a new job. I'm gonna hold the umbrella for him. With my luck, on my first day I'll open the umbrella and knock Michael Jackson's nose off and get in a fight. "You buy a pot roast. You put it in the freezer. You beat your wife to death with it. Then you heat it up and eat it. There's no murder weapon." Luke: "Have you ever been tempted to kill your wife?" Rob smiles but keeps silent. Luke: "Who killed Robert Blake's wife?" Rob: "Nobody. She killed herself and then threw the gun in the garbage can." Today Rob shoots a movie with latin chicks and black dicks. The girls are instructed to keep telling the guys, "Get that dick away from my ass." Julia Bond's white boyfriend Fingaz (rap music producer) is on set to look after her. She's only done a handful of scenes. Luke: "Aren't you afraid that if she goes black, she'll never go back?" Fingaz shakes his head. "There's nothing wrong with that." Julia has a few tattoos, including "Daddy's Little Girl" on her lower back. She's not Latino but she's playing Latino in the scene. Rob asks me if I have been an undercover cop for the last nine years, who would I be able to arrest? "Nobody," I say. Rob: "Then you're either a lousy undercover cop or there's nothing illegal going on. Nine years and you're not giving up? You're like those waiters and waitresses who move out here to be actors and they never give up. Nine years you've been here and you've seen nobody go to jail." Rob says that director Ron Sullivan is dead but he hasn't lain down yet, so he doesn't know it. Rob: "If you come home and see your wife or kid in the bottom of the pool, what's the first thing you do? Unless you dive in, you're guilty. Captain Kirk (William Shatner) came home and saw his wife in the bottom of the pool. What did he do? He didn't jump in. He killed his wife." Ron: "That's Hollywood. It's different. They have different rules. You can kill people." Rob asks Ron, "What are we waiting for?" The crew are moving the lights around. Ron: "We're waiting for the light. I'm an artist." I complain about my car troubles to Rob. He drives me to Michael Esposito's Gentlemen's Video where Rob's mother Barbara works. "If you write about Joey [Joseph Abinanti, the duplicator and owner of Video Images in Van Nuys] again," Rob warns me, "you'll get a visit. There will be nothing I can do." "A visit from whom?" I ask. "Will they stay for lunch?" Rob shakes head. As we ready to park by the front door, Rob spots Vinny DeStephano (duplicator). Rob is under the misapprehension that Vinny doesn't like me (misunderstandings resolved long ago) and starts to park around back. I struggle to jump out of Rob's van so I can say hi to my buddy Vinny but I can't get the door open. Rob and I run into Vinny a lot, but every time we do, Rob tells me to get lost. He's treating me like I'm his retarded cousin and it hurts my feelings. We drive around back and beside Barbara, who's taking a smoking break. "I'm not saying anything to you," Barbara Spallone says to me. "He dedicated his book to you," Rob reminds her. I walk through the warehouse and wander around the office to look for Michael. "Wait for me, Luke" yells Rob. I run into Michael. He greets me with a big smile. Rob tells him to buy some advertising on my site. "Is this a shakedown?" Michael asks. "Yeah," I say. "I'll make up something bad about you or I'll dredge up something from 30 years ago and put it on my front page like it's big news." Michael buys an ad. And so should you. Or you'll sleep with the fishes. As we drive away, Rob says, "Two more stops and we can lease you a new car for a month." I tell Rob, "I need you to get me a letter from LFP that you are allowed to make the Sopornos and then I will take it over to Scott Taylor at New Sensations." We drive by Scott's new business building. Luke: "I'm sorry we missed Vinny." Rob: "I tried. But he just left. Vinny was there the day we went to Lenny's [hospitality suite in the Venetian in January at the show]." Luke: "Along with Joey [Abinanti] and the Rothsteins..." Rob: "They left in a hurry. You clear a room pretty quick." Luke: "They didn't look too happy when they saw me." Rob: "They didn't even finish their lunch. "You need to come to Michael Esposito's for lunch every Friday at noon. Meet his friends and pick up a check." After grabbing lunch at San Carlo's Deli, Rob and I return to Str8-Up Studios. The crew tumbles out to eat their pizza. "Guess what Luke's got in his pocket," Rob says to director Ron Sullivan. "I dunno," says Ron. "Tell me." "I got a check," I say. "He got a check from one of the guys in the business hardest to get a check from," says Rob. "Luke, this is one of your biggest accomplishments in the industry." When Layla Rivera, standing with her scene partner Duane, a black guy, sees me raise my camera, she runs away. Layla, referring to her boyfriend Dick Delaware: "I'm not supposed to be doing scenes. I'm not supposed to be doing interracial." I follow Layla and snap a few pictures until she raises a pillow in front of her head. Layla Rivera asks Ron Sullivan: "How many minutes do you need?" Ron: "Thirty minutes." Layla: "Can we shoot just 30 minutes then? I don't feel so good. I threw up this morning." Ron: "Then go throw up again. Get it out of your system. You'll feel better." Layla: "No, I don't want to." Ron: "If you don't feel so good, then why are you here?" Layla: "I can do the scene."
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