Part 1 The Shit Hits the Fan- Mark Davis & 3 Women– https://www.lukeisback.com/?p=12310
Part 2 PayBacks Are a BITCH https://www.lukeisback.com/?p=12322
OPINION/EDITORIAL
Crossing the Line
I understand wanting to get back at someone who hurt you or screwed you over, I have my own list of about ten people that will feel my wrath someday. But if you are mad at someone, there are legal, ethical ways to even the score. Not everyone gets vengeance the right way tho. We all know there are people who cross the line.
Sending an ex-porn star’s naked pictures/dvd’s to their mainsteam work, in hopes of getting them fired is a pretty scummy thing to do in my opinion. Tara says she didn’t do it. She didn’t send the stuff to Kitten’s job. I don’t know if she did or didn’t.
I DO KNOW though that Tara started a fetish site JUST to make the other people involved in this soap opera look bad. Okay, making them look bad might be an all right way to get some revenge, as long as everything you say is true, and you only involve the players in the drama. Putting up text messages from Mark, saying he is a has been etc…. he might deserve that.
The HUGE PROBLEM in my opinion is that Tara didn’t just make these people look bad. She posted their real names. WORSE than that, she posted the pictures and names of Sinnamon’s kids.
She crossed the line big time.
So this website of Tara’s has X-rated pictures of Mark Davis fucking a chick, along with Mark’s, Kitten’s & Sinnamon’s real names, PLUS the pictures & names of Sinnamon’s children.
I think that’s a big mistake. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were illegal. And if i have to look for reasons it’s illegal there’s probably at least a 2257 problem in there.
Imagine someone putting YOUR children’s names & pictures on a website that shows people fucking. This puts those children in danger. And the person that did this to your children, did it because she is mad at your best friend’s husband. It’s just not right.
Tara has lost a lot of her credibility in my eyes. I certainly wouldn’t trust her with any of my private information, and any talks/IM’s/e-mails we have in the future will be on a business level only.
It’s too bad. I don’t know where the Tara I used to know went these last couple months. 🙁
I really didn’t want to post the link to this website since it would just be bringing traffic where I didn’t want to send traffic. But since it is really just two clicks away, so easy to find. I’ll save you the trouble of looking.
http://www.fetishsexblog.net/2010/05/13/markdavisxxx/
Ok, Tara, so you deny you mailed that shit to Kitten, but you do this. Uh huh.
I think Tara is as crazy as Germies buddy Sophia Mounds. That says alot.
Girls have claimed stomach cancer(eden rae?) to get away from him so Tara and Sophia are off the carts when it comes to crazy.
Whatever, Jeremy. Sinnamon publicized what happened between me and Mark all over twitter, I never wanted it public. It fell to me to tell the whole story, which is actually entertaining.
Well the story is entertaining in a Porno National Enquirer sort of way…But bringing Sinnamon’s kids into it the way you did crossed the line. Maybe your personal and sexual relationship with Davis and whatever what went on there is not making you proceed wisely here Tara.
You apparently are a successful businesswoman, all this nonsense, scrutiny and negative attention is worth it to you? Over a lousy few hundred bucks?
Is Tara black, white or asian? She can pay for my sex anytime. I’m uncut like Mark which she should like!
It was Sinnamon that made this public, not me. Mark is not going to pay me back, because Sinnamon made it public. He hates press attention. None of this is about money anymore, it is personal. Hopefully, Sinnamon and Kitten will never ever hassle me again. This battle is over.
Ah, good old SexCity up to the same shit. LOL. This calls for a trip down memory lane. http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=monkeycage&Number=170807&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
and
http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=websites&Number=169442&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
can’t forget this gem.
http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=shitlist&Number=195245&Forum=All_Forums&Words=sexycity&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=194609&Search=true#Post195245
Can it be that Darrah is the New Tara?
Trippy.
The torch has been passed. LOL
“Girls have claimed stomach cancer(eden rae?) to get away from him”
No Roy, lying again, as usual, just like you did with the Belladonna story. Eden Rae said she had cancer to get money from my Dad. J*******, her real name, was arrested for threatening to shoot me with an unregistered .45. She shot several bullets into my VHS porno tapes- ones I was in. Look it up, circa December, 1997, Hollywood, Ca.
Eden Rae (gf- 1997) and Sophia Mounds (roommate- 2008) are the two examples Tara once brought up to say that I have a “history” of being “an abuser of women”. Nice one, Tara!
Tina Tyler complained to Roger T. Pipe that Eden Rae made up the story that Tina left the industry because she owes money for surgery.
Tara is an ugly person, inside and out. You have to be at the bottom of you game to willingly have sex with her. Unless you have a fetish for ugly, overweight black chicks.
Whatever. I don’t care. Sinnamon and Kitten never should have poked their nose into my business and I don’t apologize for rubbing their lousy parenting in their faces.
Tara, you make money doing this? Where were you when Luke Ford needed the help? As for real names, it depends, if you admit to your real name for public use its fair game…like Demi Delia using her real name now for her “management” firm. Also if your name is the keeper of 2257 records it could also be considered fair game, or a felony criminal indictment. Also some performers use most of their real names…like Ron Jeremy, Julia Ann, Janine and John Stagliano. I do think when children are involved there should be plenty of discretion on real names, the exceptions are Demi’s kids cause of the TV show, Seymore Butts’ son Brady cause he was featured on Seymore’s show and Janine and Jesse James’ daughter Sunny, but that’s due to those two knuckleheads.
That’s just it Larry, she isn’t making any money off of this. She’s made it clear in her replies that this has NOTHING to do with money. In fact, early on prior to her sending porn to Kitten’s jobs Kitten tried to reason with her to stop harassing Marc and offered to make sure she got the money he owed Tara herself… but this was her response. Its unfortunate that she can’t see how completely off kilter she has gotten when everyone around her clearly can. While I could easily post her name and address for some crazed stalking fan to exact their revenge… I won’t. I think that there are certain boundaries that one should never cross. When you work in an ancillary position in the industry, where you are entrusted with direct contact with the people in it, professionalism is the key to maintaining your reputation. I’m hoping that people see her for what she is and turn their backs one by one.
As for me, I’ve contacted her hosting company. Hopefully they resolve this so I don’t have to seek legal recourse. Otherwise, I have no problem with contacting the proper authorities about photos of my children appearing on a porn site…
Steele, Ever have three women fight over you like this? Wonder if the Trannyfucker has ever had three trannies fight over him like this.
No, Larry, although yesterday I still remember as the 29th anniversary of my first two kisses from two girls who were fighting over me (5/22/81). The 2nd one who kissed me was the most gorgeous thing I’d ever seen and I fell in love for the first time! Ah, NY City girls…
When I was with Eden in Duluth, Minnesota, word got out to her husband (she told me they were divorced, but they weren’t) who was in prison (for attempted murder) that I was her bf and in their neck of the woods, so he put word out to his biker brothers to fuck me up, but I ended up being friendly with one of them who warned us, so Eden called one of her girl friends to help out and I was hanging out in a trailer in the woods with two girls with 45s protecting my ass. Sometimes, I’d walk to the minimart with the 45 packed in the back of my pants, under my jacket. Ah, the good ol’ days.
So far, it looks like Tara has no one on her side, although if someone owes her money they should pay it.
Duluth? How the fuck you end up there?
A) Kids are Off. Limits. That’s dirty pool, not cool.
B) If common sense doesn’t dictate, allow fear of legal (and messy) reprisal to toss “allegedly, supposedly, claimed, rumored to, said to be, possibly, presumably” and “assumed” into the he said/she said/we said dissertation.
I drove there and back with her twice, through Utah and back the first time (avoid that State; Mormon Fascist cops will search your car for going 5 miles over the speed limit or not having a seat belt on. Go through New Mexico instead. Boy, was we lucky Eden hid her gun and dope well), stopped at a MC in Denver, had a high quality “bump” there which enabled me to drive non-stop (except for gas) on up and over to Duluth. I took a year and half break from the industry, by the time I came back everyone had the name “Steele”. I remember John Leslie had tried to book me and I had to tell him I wasn’t working. Damn shame. I was looking for adventure and I got it. Beware of what you ask for.
Larry, I’ve made money off internet affiliate programs since 1998. I don’t have a ‘day’ job, you do the math.
Sinnamon, my hosting company isn’t going to do anything to me. I’m sorry that you did not have enough courtesy and respect for me to stay out of my private affairs. You have no idea of the reach of my influence, but you will learn.
Sinnamon, if you or Kitten have, as you say you do, the package that was sent with Tara’s P.O. Box on it, that’s damnable and possibly prosecutable evidence. You should take a photo of it and send to Cindi.
Jeremy Kitten did send a photo of the envelope w/ Tara’s P.O. Box on it. 🙂 As she is pursuing legal options, she asked that it not be posted online. 🙂
Tara, you are an imbecilic child. I actually pity you. Making threats on a public forum is not exactly bright. You should read The Art of War. Everyone knows that the person to watch out for is the one that speaks the softest. The loud mouth in the corner is nothing more than a bully. YOU will soon learn that Karma can be influenced.. and as you have now attacked me personally, I am making it my personal mission to ensure that your karma is sped up a bit. 🙂 Have a great day!
There is nothing soft about you, Sinnamon, which is why no one hires you for movies anymore. Idiot.
Sinnamon is lying about Kitten calling me to offer money. She called and left a voicemail threatening to hurt me, which is why I had to change my cell phone number. Sinnamon is getting off on telling this lie to any fool who will listen. All of this will bite her on her ass.
I would love to see a reality show of Tara and Darrah living together… they can get special guest appearances from Sophia Mounds, anonymous hate-callers and aponymous Porn Star Sasha Grey.
Poor Tara… You really have no life OR career do you? At least I’m a PUBLISHED writer. What have YOU done with your ahem, “writing?” 😉
oops i meant eponymous
Do you have a life? You’re a shot out hooker that posts photos of her kids on twitter. Look everyone
http://www.twitpic.com/photos/sinnamonlove
Weren’t you whining about that earlier? Oh and Cindi, do me a favor. Take all my pics off your site immediately.
My writing is good enough that I don’t advertise on Eros.com. Fair enough? I’ll even be gracious enough to make you an offer. If you delete every nasty, untrue thing you wrote about me on your twitter, I’ll delete the SMC article that features your family. You have a choice..if you don’t take my kind offer, then it stays.
Assuming that Sin hypothetically said nasty and even untrue things about you, why would you publicize members of her family, Tara? It sounds like you have put yourself in no position to be able to make any “gracious” offers.
Boy I’m confused, first of all I think Darrah or Tara have to change their names to avoid confusion. Steele? Guns and Dope and on the lamb in Minnesota, thank god it looks like you and Lucky are stable in California, you may have a book there, and a choice of co-writers too. After seeing Sinnamon Love’s twit pics, I’m confused there too, I see pics of her kids, who look well raised, but under your nom de porn. And I think a better pic of you needs to be posted with this series of articles, especially of your awesome rack. I’m really confused about how Mark Davis could get three women to fight over him considering his state, or is it just Tara and Kitten? Maybe we need Sophia to come in and comment and make sense of all this.
Larry, My posting pics of my family on MY twitter which has ABSOLUTELY NO HARDCORE SEX, bondage or even topless PHOTOS ON IT – is completely different than Tara posting photos of my family on a PORN BLOG in the same blog as hardcore bondage/ fucking pics from Kink.com! I also do not post my children’s NAMES with their photos if you notice, which Tara did by posting that article. I have never been one to post my real name and for a good reason, I have kids & I have had 2 stalker fans that have issued death threats to myself and my family in the past. (In fact, last fall, my twitter followers witnessed my frustration while dealing with the police in North Carolina over a crazy fan that was sending me incessant death threats. In doing this, Tara has jeopardized the safety of my family.
There is ALSO a little law called the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501-6508; 16 C.F.R. Part 312 which states in part that a website MUST obtain permission of a parent in order to post photos of a child under the age of 13 online. Since Tara did NOT link to the SMC article, but saved and uploaded it to her website, she is in violation of this law as well. “Under the law, such Web sites must post privacy policies and obtain parental consent before collecting personal information from children under the age of 13. Personal information would include identity via the photos.” The FTC (Federal Trade Commission) is the regaulatory agency for this law. So guess who is getting that next phone call. 🙂
Tara, considering you are the one in violation here, you are really in no position to attempt a bargain here. It seems you KNOW you are in trouble at this point and are trying to save face. You posted on twitter that I better “learn to shut my mouth” if I want you to leave me alone. But guess what silly girl, you posted photos of my children on a PORN BLOG where you also post HARDCORE PHOTOS. There is NO shutting me up at this point. Enjoy! 🙂
Thanks, Larry. I don’t need no co- or ghost-writers.
A medium who didn’t even know I like to write, once told me that I was french novelist George Sand in a past life. Well, who knows if that’s true, but it caused me to became quite a collector of the author’s hard to acquire works and biographies.
Sinnamon and I separately both came up with “Diary of a Porn Star” years back. Around the turn of the millenium, I retroactively wrote about my first year and a half in the business (96-97), before all the “interesting” adventures with Eden Rae. It’s still up on an old defunct yahoo fan club group of mine before someone hacked into and froze it n 2002. More recently, “Diary of a Porn Star” was the subtitle of a fictitious movie about a gay porn star.
I could definitely write a book just about all the crazy and interesting roommates I’ve had. I remember my 9/11 birthday when “Brad Pitt Stalker” Athena Rolando was my roommate, the one that Kid Vegas called a “whore”, not knowing who she even was (I kept it on the downlow, then). Then Taylor Rain was my roommate, and some others. She said she was gonna be a stewardess but got into porn because of 9/11. She was a cool roommate but her dumb boyfriend/husband was a douche. She put together a little Happy 9/11 Birthday party for me in 2002. I also had a lawyer roommate who literally never lived there, a 6 foot muscular brazilian guy who liked trannys, Bridgette Nielsen and androgynous women and then later became a woman. I had “coochie coupon”, crystal meth smoking roommate Frankie La Rue who brought home one day what was to me my girlfriend, Violet Skye, who said she used to live with Marilyn Manson when she was a teenage runaway (they used to shoot heroin together). I’ve had some other nutty and scumbag roommates too which I won’t get into, including “you know who”. Then, just as it seems things were finally slowing down a bit n 2005, and while trying to recover from the insanity, a guy starts following me around with a video camera. I thought by now I’d be rich and famous from all that nuttiness but it looks like that will never come out. Truly a tragedy. I’m talking about something no less hilarious than Caddyshack, but with shock and hardcore, and even sentimentality, a powerful and enlightening work actually.
Bringing children into the argument is surely distasteful, to say the least.
Sinnonam, as a porn performer who fears for her safety as you have stated here, why would you post pictures of your own children on ANY site,porn related or not. You know that these ‘stalkers’ have the same access to the images you yourself posted as to those posted by others. I can only speculate that the images this person used came directly from YOUR own postings. YOU have to accept the resposibility of protecting YOUR children. What this person did is disgusting,,,,,, If you think that your chosen proffession in any way cal lead to the harm of your children then you have a decision to make….Is it worth being a porn star(prostitiute) if it means putting your children at risk….It looks like you think it is, and that is equally disgusting and sad.
Personally, if I had the choice of being a known pornstar or protecting my children, I would choose my children. Its called SACRIFICE, and thats what good parents do for their children. You have to learn to put YOUR OWN fellings aside and do what is BEST for your children, and if youre honest with yourself you will come to the conclusion that the BEST thing for YOUR children is for their mother not to be a prostitiute.
We’re all prostitutes, Joe; either hos or pimps, except for vagrants and monks.
I did not use Sinnamon’s photos of her children. Back in the 90s, her, her kids, and lies about her career as a professional dancer with a dance troupe made their way into the Santa Monica City College catalog. I used a screenshot of that page to illustrate the fact that Sinnamon has no qualms about lying in public. She was never a professional dancer, she stripped.
Actually Joe, Tara did NOT use one of MY photos. And again, my primary issues are 2 fold, 1) Tara lacked my CONSENT to use these images. 2) The image she posted in the context she posted them in and 3) The fact that the image she posted uses NAMES of my children – which I NEVER use. Since my legal name has never been commonly known, a fan would have never have found that information – until Tara violated my family in this fashion. Your thoughts are on parenting and sex work are not valid as there are numerous people in various facets of the sex industry that raise normal, happy children and live normal happy lives outside of their employment. Sex work is not indicative of the lifestyle ones leads outside it. Much as there are priests, teachers and principals with seemingly “reputable jobs,” that have consistantly been exposed as pedophiles on shows like “To Catch A Predator,” you would think that people like yourself would have learned by now that job title and character are not necessarily synonymous with being a “good person.” Such is the reality that myself and many others in the business are capable of being “good parents” while navigating the dichotomy of our lives on and off the camera.
As for you Tara, you REALLY should check your facts regarding my bio. When I started doing porn, I had never even stepped foot in a strip club. I did start feature dancing after some time in the adult film industry, HOWEVER, I not only studied professional dance from an early age, but played 1st string violin, 2nd string viola AND took professional voice lessons. Having a parent that studied Opera at Juilard afforded me some luxuries in my artistic upbringing. I actually DID travel with a professional dance troupe for a couple of years doing the occasional show on weekends. There was no pole, no dollar bills. But YOU wouldn’t know that. You insistence in saying that I “lied” publicly is amazing… considering that you really don’t know much about me. I suppose I should go through my mom’s attic and post photos of me at Space Camp too in order to show just how much of a nerd I was to satisfy the interest of those that would question otherwise.
Actually Tara, you have no right to post that screen cap since you don’t own the copyright to that picture.
Sinnomen,
Your denial that your work could possibly have very negative effects of your childrewn is frightening. You can justify anything you do any way you want, but when your children get older,say juniour high school, and the other kids taunt them about the pictures they saw of their mother, dont try to tell me that this will not have a negative affect on them.. And when other parents refust to let their children associalte with your kids becuase of what you do, dont tell me that wont have a negative affect on them. Those ofhter parents may be closed minded idiots, but you have to deal with how YOUR children are treated because of what YOU do. JUst writing these people off as idiots does NOTHING to ease the pain your children suffer from this sort of discrimination. It is your dutry to protect your children from this type of harrassment, and if that means SACRIFICING your carreer as a prostitute so be it. It diesnt seem like that big of a sacrifice to helop your children lead a more happy life.
Your rationalization of your choices will affect your children. While you stated that some porn parents raise perfectly adjusted children may be true. But it is aso true that some porn “Children” are deeply affected by the choices, some would say selfish choices, that their parents have made.
This whole thread is about how this is affecting your children. Imagine this same thing happening over and over again when your childrens classmates start making fun of ther pornstar mom. It may sound cruel, but it will happen, and all or your rationalization is not going to stopo your kids from bearing the brunt of YOUR decisions.
That being said, the posting of your childrens pictures is despicable. But now that you know this can happen to your children, you might consider making the dsacrifice for your children, and look for another way to make a living. IS it fair, no….is it the right thing to do for your children..probably.
Joe, In your naivete’ you ASSUMED my children are young. In fact I have children aged 12, 16 & 18. So yes, I know junior high and high school quite well. And guess what? Kids’ parents know what I do for a living and yet I am called on frequently not only for slumber parties, bake sales with the PTA, but daily car pool for some of my neighbors’ kids that happen to also be friends of my kids. I’m the parent that other parents call at 5:30p to pick up their kids from the after school program by 6pm because they are stuck at work. My job does not effect my children’s lives because of 1) the group of kids they hang around 2) the interest of my kids and their friends and 3) the fact that they have grown in a sex positive environment with age appropriate knowledge and information regarding my work their entire lives – thus arming them with appropriate information and ways to handle questions or comments that might arise as a result of my work. The reality is that despite preparing them for the cruelty of others, they’ve never encountered the negativity that you assumed they would!
Your assumption that my children would “bear the brunt” of my decision is in fact narrow-minded and shows how limited YOUR thought process is. Perhaps you live in an area where sex work, pornography and alternate lifestyles is frowned upon. I live in a ethnically diverse community, with lots of celebrities, athletes, same sex couples – mostly progressive people that share like minds and thoughts. I saw a bumper sticker on a mini-van a few months ago dropping off kids at our middle school that said ,”MILF on Board.” I regret to inform you that your predictions are incorrect.. considering that I have been through Junior High with 2 out of 3 kids and the 3 gets teased only because she is the geeky kid with glasses and that aces the honor roll.
You may want to put your preconceived notions in check. I have to ask you, where does your infinite wisdom on children come from? Do you have children? If so, how many? What are their ages? Also, have you had children with someone that works in the sex industry in any form? Do you personally know anyone that has worked in the sex industry that has children? If you have answered no to the majority of these questions, you really should be warned that your hypothesis is easily debunked by those of us who “live” this as opposed to “theorizing” about it.
You do know what they say about Assuming… don’t you? When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of YOU and Me. Unfortunately for you, You are the only one coming out looking like an ass.
Do you personally know anyone who qwordks in the sex industry and has children?
YES I do. And as soon as the courts judged them to be mature enough to make their own des=ciosions they all opted to live with their father.
Try this little exercise one day if you got the guts……..Tell your children that if they want you to, you will quit the prositution(porn) industry. See how they resond.
As far as who is an ASS,,well you have spent your adult life as a prostitute, so please, keep in check your advice on how to run ones life.
I bet your children are so proud,,,,Just out of curiosity, what do your children tell their friends about whaat mommy does for a living. Or have you fed them some line about being an entertainer or something like that…..Doi you tell your children that you are a prostitiute? HOw honest are you with your own children?
And just for kicks,,,are you proud enough of your work to let your children see it? How about your 18 year old. Are you proud enough to show him your craiglslst and EROS ads?
First off Joe, You seem pretty angry. Was it your mother that was a whore? Did she fuck strange men in front of you so you decided to live with your father?
Sorry to disappoint you but as I explained before my children all have received age appropriate information throughout their lives in terms of what I do for a living. I’m not interested in “quitting” the porn industry, so why would I lie? For kicks? Sorry sweetie. I love my life and have no regrets so no reason to try your little “exercise.” What do I tell my children that I do for a living? That I perform in movies that are produced for adults, for the enjoyment and entertainment of other adults. They know in most of these movies we have sex. My children know that I often get paid to beat people up, and that this is consensual and they want me to do it.
That the type of movies I make are not for children to watch or participate in, ever.
Would I let my children watch porn? Are you just retarded or just trying to pick a fight?? Why would ANY children be allowed to watch porn? THAT, dumb ass, is illegal. Even in your hypothetical rant you are so completely full of shit. My 18 year old daughter just turned 18 last Saturday. And you know what she thinks about what I do? She is ecstatic that when she starts college this fall her first 4 years are already paid for in a trust I set aside for her years ago. She’ll be able to do undergrad without having to take out any student loans. She doesn’t have any moral judgements about what I do for one reason, I’m her mother and she’s always been well provided for.
I believe you are confusing your fantasy of porn stars only being warped individuals with my reality of a healthy, well adjusted life outside of what I do. I hate to disappoint you, but your rants are starting to sound as immature as the woman whom this thread started out about.
In my opinion, Tara should have never posted pictures with children on a blog that depicts pornographic images. Even if it is a picture that links to another site. Even if it is something that she feels that should be known to other people. Even if she feels that the people who are in that picture did her wrong. Its still not ok. I think most parents would agree with me. Even if they are in the adult industry. Even if they don’t have custody of their children. Or even if they are good parents who manage to keep their jobs and personal life separate, like most business people do!
I’ve worked with Mark Davis a few times and he was always professional and a good performer when I worked with him. I worked with Kitten once and she was a good performer and fun to work with as well. I only met Sin once and she was very nice. I don’t know any of them in a personal context.
I look forward to the rest of this story, as I’m sure there is going to be some sort of legal battle regarding all of the shit talking that’s been going on. I’m not sure that some of it falls under that protection of free speech journalism that most hide behind.
Hey, JOE KNOW, learn how to spell! Before you start critiquing people’s lives, you should critique your own ignorance. Oh & you sound like that super fug monkey Tara, you’re such a loser monkey girl! Making fake profiles/posts antagonizing people. I bet you saw all the support here for Sinnamon & you decided to make a faux profile just to bash her!!
No Ashley, joe know is a regular anti-pornography poster that is also known as “the general”. We don’t know much about his background but it seems as if he is affiliated with the Pink Cross. Don’t mind him, everyone has a right to their opinions and I suspect he is beginning to realize that the ethics of porn are quite nuanced.
HEY Ashley,
Your ad hominem attacks only help prove my point.
Do you even know what an ad hominem attack is? It is when soemone cant dispute what the other person is saying so they make personal attacks on the person saying it. WHen you have somethng worth saying about the SUBJECT at isue here please feel free to post it. But you make yourself look like an idiot by atacking the messenger and NOT the message.
YOur imaginary reasons why I posted what i did is actually quite funny. You go right on living in your fantasyland, and keep believing that children of prostitutes dont suffer any negative consequences.
Origen, your use of the word ‘ethics’ and ‘porn’ in the same sentece has got to be a first. Thanks for the laugh.
Sinnamon, we’re even. I don’t like the assumptions you made about me, what Kitten said on the phone, or what went on between myself and Mark. No one here is impressed that you went to Space Camp or that you had a few dance recitals. Most people have engaged in those activities, but moreover, those hobbies are irrelevant given your spectacularly unwise choices in adulthood. The more you cry and whine, the more insane you sound.
No Tara, we are NOT even. Not yet at least. 🙂
“Origen, your use of the word ‘ethics’ and ‘porn’ in the same sentence has got to be a first.”
Why? Why must ALL media depictions of sex be bad?
Why must ALL media depictions of sex be bad?”
You are kidding of course..There are literally tens of thousand of depticions of sex in everyhting from movies, television, advertising, music, books, etc. And te overwhelming majority of them are not bad.
And back to the subject at hand. The posting of the childrens pictures is desicable.
Sinnomen, do you think it was proper for Steve Hirsh to put his own children in that reality show about the porn industry he did for Showtime(i think it was showtime)? Just wondering what you think abut this. Do you think the Hirsh kids should tell their freinds to wath them on t.v.?
“You are kidding of course..There are literally tens of thousand of depictions of sex in everything from movies, television, advertising, music, books, etc. And the overwhelming majority of them are not bad.”
Okay… I was talking about media (specifically graphic media) depictions of ACTUAL sex since we are both talking about porn.
So you are cool with actual sex being captured on video?
Joe probably approves of monogamous couples fucking on camera. The rest of us are just despicable, disease spreading whores.
What kind of dumb shit calls himself “Joe Know” anyway? That’s not like calling yourself Joe Blow, Joe Schmoe or Joe Truth. It just sounds plain dumb.
(ok, what’s the magic word now that’s put this comment on moderation?)
Ihave no problem at all with people producing porn. I have problems with the illegal buisness practices of the porn industry that put the perfromers at an unaceptable risk. You will NEVER find anything I have ever written where I attack the first amendment right of pornographers to produce their material.
And what kind of dumbshit gives himself the porn nmae
Jeremiah STEELE.(wishful thinking)
Waivers that producers have perfromers sign asaying they wont hold them resonsible for any health problems related to their job ILLEGAL
Waiver from AIM and a pulic website with performers private medical information ILLEGAL
NOt paying for testing and treatment of diseases resulting from their emplioyment ILLEGAL
Thats what I have a problem with origen. You guys can make up your little fantasy stories about my motives(Jerry’s favorite tactic of attacking his opponents when he cant dispute the facts of what they say) but at the end of the day it is the perfromers i am trying to protect. Even you Jerry.
You started these attacks, Joe Blow Me, not I.
You say you are trying to protect performers but you keep calling us “whores” and you’ve already said you have no respect for us whores.
Nothing wrong with the name Jeremiah Steele, Joe, is there? On the other hand, what the fuck does “Joe Know” mean? Do you mean “Joe Knows”? We have all repeatedly observed how challenged you are when it comes to typing… You probably don’t have many friends with the way you talk to people.
You keep screaming “ILLEGAL”. Please recite to us the specific laws you are referring to. Saying “illegal”!! over and over does nothing but maybe scare a few illegals living in the neighborhood.
Here ya go Jerry,
THe AIM waiver is ILLEGAL becuase the law requires that each individual disclosure of HIV result to a third party must have a waiver that specificaly states the name of the person to whom the results are being given. It also requires that if the resutl are being sent electronicaly, the recipient must give a signed written release including the “electronic” destination, and the names of all people who have access to that “electronic”destination. The recipient must also sign a release that he will “Store” those results in a “private and secure location” in compliance with HIPPA regulations.
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU JERRY.
The waiver that some procucers have talent sign that they claim absolves them from seeking relief from damages due to illness or injury on their sets.
Federal law prohibits the waiving of workers rights, it violates several statutes, including Workers Comp regulations. The contract is, on its face, an agreement to break the law, and is unenforceable. “Kind of like saying that the coal miners agreed to have the ventilationb shaft turned off.
Paying for tests and treatment…..ALL VIOLATIONS OF section 5193 of OSHA regulations(specifically subsections (G)1&2,,and (H)3.
Sorry I cant cite you the specific codes on the first two, but my descriptions are 100% accurate.
Also,,”requireing” an HIV test as a condition of employment is illegal.
ANd now Jerry is attacking my typing ability….you must be really desperate Jerry,,,Sorry to make you look like such a fool. Do you knwo what an ad hominem attack is…thats when you cant argue the substance of the argument, so you make personal attacks on your opponent. I thought you said you know all about public speaking and debate. If that is true then you know how much of an idiot you look like with your ad hominem atacks.
If you were one tenth as smart as you think you are, you would have noticed by now that the majority of my typing mistake are dyslexic in nature, like hitting the ‘s” when it should be ‘L’, or mixing up letters from their poroper order. But one would have to be a littel smarter than you to notice such a thing. I just noticed I did the exact thing in the last sentence with the word ‘little”.
Yeah Jerry, atacking the typing sure makes for a better argument. You really got me there.
Regarding the specific statutes pertaining to the first two paragraphs here….with allof your knowledge of the government and how they work, perhaps you could find the specific statutes yourself, but rest asuured you fucking asswipe, EVERY THING I have written is 100% accurate.
ANd again, you keep making up your little fantasy stories about me and my motives. The fact is you knwo ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about me. Do you actually believe all of these little fantasies that you have dreamed up? You probably do, and that is sadder than the fact that you still havent gotten over the fact that a chick like Sophia still rules your mind. Youare a pathetic piece of shit, and everytime you write your hilarious, consoiracy bullshit you prove it even more.
Jerry “IF you knew what I know” Steele, you can kiss my ass. ANd you probably would, if the price was right, after all, thats what whores do.
http://law.justia.com/connecticut/codes/title19a/sec19a-585.html
Heres the HIPPA regualtions regarding the ILLEGAL AIM waiver.
ANd selling passwords to access private medical information is also illegal.
You do know of course that Darren James sued AIM on these grouds and they settled outof court ofr over $100,000.oo/////
Thats 100,000 dollars of performer money. And you still dont get it do ya Jerry?
Jerry,
You are aware that AIM was started after the Marc Wallice incedents to provide nothing more that ‘cover’ for the producers, arent you Jerry. Like you always say,,,,follow the money.
And now AIM raises theri prices to perfromers to pay for lawyers to fight condom legislation. Why arent the producers funding this battle Jerry? Becuase they got the uninformed performers payint it for them…You still dont get it do ay Jerry? You guyshave been getting snowed for ten years now. I cant beleive that you dont see this.
DO you think AIM should use performer’donations’ to pay lawyers to fight what should be the producers battle? WHere is the FSC?
Yeah, pretty low thing to do, but what do you axpect when you hang around porn people?
joe know just called me an idiot asswipe piece of shit and a whore. i’m getting very angry. also i think it’s illegal… i just might have to wipe my ass on his corporate tie and then stuff it in his piehole.
who do you represent joe?, i want to speak to your manager
can you explain section 5153 again?, i wasn’t paying attention…
if joe didn’t call me all these bad names maybe i’d listen, then again maybe not…
also, mouth off to me one more time and i’m calling gary coleman’s stand in, he’ll punch you in your unprotected nuts
If ignorance is bliss then Jerry must be the happiest guy on the planet.
Thanks for the debate these last few days Jerry. Youve helped tremendoulsy, and provided some pretty good laughs. I suggets you ‘follow the money’ to see who truely benefits from the current system of perfromers paying for everything, inculding lawyers to protect the producers. Of all people I would think that YOU would see through this sham.
How do you feel about your “DONATIONS” to AIM being used to protect producers from their financial responsibilities? of couse you wont answer this question.
I know who benefits from performers paying for their own tests: producers. It’s called pay to play, but I don’t know of any other way.
I don’t give donations so don’t know what you’re talking about. You act like I’m trying to protect AIM or porn producers.
Anyone read about the porn employee who went koo koo?:
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-samurai-stabbings,0,2182537.story
Holy Shit! It was Steve Driver! He killed someone with a machete!
I’m reading jokes about it, how he’s “packing”, a “hardened” criminal, “hard up”, “at large”….
Porn actress Dana Dearmond remarked on Twitter “omg i thought of steve driver when they said it was a skinny black guy with a sword. I knew he wasn’t right in the head.” Hill was last seen driving away in a blue Toyota RAV4 with license plate 5YTC423.
Jerry, you ignorant slut. Jerry says..”I dont give donation so dont know what youre talking about.”LOL
Everytime you go to AIM for your monthly test you make a DONATION.
At AIM(a 501c3 non profit) the “cost” of the test is a donation. Just like many charities, youmake a donation and in return for that donation they give you an HIV and gonn/chlam test. That is why they give you that tax deductible reciept.
Are you telling us that you did not even know that the ‘cost’ of the tests was actually a donation.? Do yourself a favor and call AIM and ask them yourself.
LO effing L Jerry does not even know that he has been “DONATING” money to cover the producers asses. In my wildest dream I never thought that you didnt know this……..You are a tool Jerry, and you dont even know it.
This reminds me of something you said earlier abour conspiracies….something like most people do notevenknow that they are part of a conspiracy.
Jerry doesnt even know that he is ‘donating’ money to pay for producers lawyers. Dont feel bad Jerry, youre not the only one who has been duped.
Ok Joe, so I’m “stupid” for getting tested before performing because it’s “illegal” and I’m also stupid for not equating costs of paying to play as “donations”. Yeah, whenever someone makes a profit on something I’m required to pay for, I’m “donating”. Please explain to us idiots what we were supposed to do- not get tested???
Hopefully no one pulls any Steve Drivers at the OSHA meeting. Times are tough and the crazies are getting crazier….
I know Sophia Mounds went out once with Steve Driver… I’m surprised they didnt hack each other up…
Of course you should get tested jerry.You know as well as anybody that the porn performer gfoup of people is floating in a cesspool of stds.
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But you should aso have the balls to stand up to those who have been exploiting you for years, who developed a sysem to make the perfromers pay tor things that are legally their resposibility. And the ignorat hordes just went along with the ‘Mandatory” testing, and the ‘mandatory’ waivers. For gods sake Jerry, stand up for yourself to the people who have been fipping you off for years now, and you didnt even know it.
That is why they set up this “VOLUNTARY’ system…If it were actrually mandatory the procucers would have to pay for it. THAT IS THE EXACT REASON THAT VIVID WITHDREW THEIR APPLICATIOON FOR A VARIANCE TO THE 5193 STATUTE, becuase in exchange for the ‘no condoms’ they would have been requuired to pay for testing. YOU STILL DONT GET IT.
Jerry, i know you had no clue that VIVID applied for this variance, but dont you think the fact that they applied for the variance shows that they felt the need
to protect themselves.
WHY WOULD THEY APPLY FOR A VARIANCE IF THEY WERNT IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW? Applying for the variance shows that they know they are in violation of the law that they are seeking relief from. DO YOU GET THAT JERRY?
Do your research Jerry, all of this is PUBLIC information…..Too bad AVN,XBIZ or nobody else ever wrote about it……Ever wonder why they dont write about it Jerry? It is to keep all the perfromers as UNINFORMED as possible, and they are doing a great job.
Again, if you had attended that first meeting you would have heard them discuss ALL of this, and you wuld have seen how that application for the variance is now the strongest piece of evidence against the industry. But you obviuoslyu had better things to do that day, and as aresult youre here making yourself look like a fool over and over again.
THe powers that be have relied for years on the ignorance of the performers regarding their workplace rights, and as a resullt have had the performers footing their bills for them. Now the performers are paying for their lawyers….
And i never said you were sutpid for getting tested NEVER!!!!
You are supid for letting the producers dupe you into believing that it is not their workplace resposnibility to pay for it.
Keep grasping at staws, and misrepresenting what I am saying to try to make your pathetic argument look legit. Again, you are a tool.
Heres a simple one for ya.
Do you know who put up the seed money to form AIM back in 1998?
I bet you dont. And when you find out who it is you will see how everyhting i have said abover here makes PERFECT sense.
we’re all tools playing by someone else’s rules, there’s no union so what did you expect us to do, insist they pay for our tests? and since the test is good for 30 days (an arbitrary number) and other companies would be beneficiaries, shouldn’t all those companies have shared in the costs as well, and then how do you pull that off? shouldn’t we also have health care for all americns but we don’t. awesome idea, have them pay for our tests and treatment, but that would have never happened, that’s a nice idealistic (and obnoxious) world you’re living in
Jery, that world exists in ever other legal industry in the Unites States. You’ve been duped. If you dont stand up for your rights, just like in every other walk of life, people will take advantage of you.
Your comparison to providing health care for all americans is another red herring. MOST Americans jobs do not REQUIRE exposure to deadly diseases, and those that do offer remedies for that risk,,,porn offers NOTHING. Your comparison fails.
I ask you specific questions Joe, and as usual you ignore them. Let me repeat myself: There’s no union so what did you expect us to do, insist they pay for our tests? and since the test is good for 30 days (an arbitrary number) and other companies would be beneficiaries, shouldn’t all those companies have shared in the costs as well, and then how do you pull that off?
After the WTC was blown up into dust, EPA Whore Christine Whitman said the asbestos filled air was safe to breathe. Since then many have died, slowly dying painfully and fucked for life. Compared to that high profile incident, porn is innocuous.
We expose ourself to potential death everytime we walk out the door. In fact life itself carries it’s own death sentence and furthermore, life itself is a sexually transmitted disease.
Where’s the AIDS epidemic in porn. How do AIDS numbers compare in porn versus the general population?
http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/bbs/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=living&main=42026&type=thread
“Stand up for your rights”. What does that SPECIFICALLY mean to you?
good stuff joe know. who did put up the money for AIM? is it actually true about vivid? do you have any proof of that?
jeremy, looks like you got schooled here a little bit. maybe you should put down the ufo books / starwars figures and start thinking a little about your career (if you can call it that).
We’re all getting schooled, JRod, always, accept for those arrogant cunts who think they know everything and refuse to learn. You sound just like Joe’s alterego or butt buddy. But if Joe Schmoe is such a brilliant teacher, he need not throw in insuts because that’s not a sign of a good teacher or a future good student. He should also shouldn’t avoid answering a lot of my questions.
Another question: What is “acceptable risk”, who defines it, and what gives them the right to? Just like Pete Townsend sung about years ago, we gotta judge the judge.
I find it amazing that people who supposedly believe in something to better other fellow humans do not appreciate the debates which should help prove their case (and strengthen their case, like fire strengthens steel), and have such contempt for people they claim they are trying to help.
except whooops
JROD,
In the late 90’s there was an outbreak of HIV that infected several performers. Up until the late 90’s the industry virtuall ignored the health issues, but this time it began affecting the availability of talent. People wimply werent as willing to take the risk.
Several complaines considered making HIV testing mandatory, but they soon learned that they would have to pay for any testing that they said were mandatory. Then there was that peski=y littl law that makes it ILLEGAL to require an HIV test as a condition of employment. After several inudstry meetings, with the likes of Steve hirsh, jim south, bill margold, sharon mithell, steve hirsh, stever orenstein, and several others,,they came up with the idea of creating anon profit organization to do the testing. Making it a non profit meant that they could get the performers to “PAY” for the tests by making it a “DONATION” to the non profit. For a “donation” of xxxxdollars you get an HIV test from the NON PROFIT organization. That way the companies could say that they are NOT making the perfromers PAY for the tests, the performers are donationg to a ‘charity’ that is there to look out for their well being(LOL)
It was actually quite an ingenous plan, and for a decade now they have been duping the talent into believing that this is the best solution for the problem of HIV and std’s in the industry.
The producers rely on people like Jerry to make the excuses for them about why tthey souldnt be responsible for health and safety measure inTHIER workplaces. Back in the day, Jim South was the only agent, and AIM would send most performer result directly to him. They developed this ‘Waiver’ at AIM, again to dupe the perfromers into waiving their rights, except the waiver is ILLEGAL, and was proven to be so when Darrwen James won an out of court settlemetn for HIPPA violation=s in 2004.
Guys like Jerry just dont like being told that they have been duped. He will never admit it. ANd guys like Steve hirsh, and larry flynt laugh all the way to the bank, and get guys like Jerry to foot what should be THIR bills.
The money came from LARRY FLYNT. And it wasnt out of the goodness of his heart, it was a way to get the performers to pay to cover his ass. Larry aint stupid. Since that time, producers have ‘DONATED’ less than one half of one percent .05% of all the money AIM has raised. Performers paying(donating) for tests has been about 96% and private donations have made up the remainder…All of this is PUBLIC record, as AIM has to file as a 501c3 non profit every year.
Why do you still refuse to answer my questions, Joe? This proves you’re full of shit. I don’t defend the status quo, only ask questions which you only selectively answer. You’re the dupe, Joe.
We were taking the same Eliza tests back in the mid 90s which you still advocate. Performers were paying for them, as they still are. And paying to play is bullshit perhaps, like musicians or nude dancers having to pay to play, but that’s the way it is. There never was any union so what should we have done (I’ve also asked this question to you before)?
The heart of this, Joe, as you’ve already admitted to, is that you have absolutely no respect for legal sex workers. You can use all the legal or ethical arguments you like, just like the government does with it’s 2257 laws, but the bottom line it’s just for the purpose of fucking with us, because that all your efforts will do. You never answered MANY of my questions, Joe. WHY? What is “acceptable risk” and who the fuck are you to determine that?
Okj Jerry,’
WHat is acceptable risk? Who the fuck is the adult industry to determine that?
Whose faust is it that there was never a performers union? That would be the perfromers fault.
What is acctpbale…..Emplyers paying for the illness that is a DIRECT result of working for them.
I have the utmost respect for sex workers, I have NO respect for the employers who expliot the sex worders.
AN another LIE of yours,,,,I have NEVER. advocated using the Elisa method of testing.(Elisa is not a test in and of itself, it is a methology of testing for alot of things besides HIV) LYING to try to make your point only proves that youre grasoping at staws.
List your questions Jerry, I will answer every one of them…..And for the record, YOU had no idea who gave the seed money for AIM, you had NO idea about VIVID applying for the variance, and you had NO idea that ‘elisa’ is not an HIV test.
No union, What should v=we have done? Well, you could have formed a union,nodoby is stopping you.
And of course you should test, anybody who has unprotected sex with prostitues shoudlg get themselves tested. But to say that this voluntary testing is adequated to absolve employers from their resposibliity is ridiculous.
And regarding 2257,,,,Every employer is required to get two forms of ID from EVERY SINGLE PERSON THEY HIRE.
ANd as far as the pay for play with musicians and strippers, you knwo full well that pay for play is illegal, and strip clubs are getting sued left and right on this issue and loosing. YOU KNOW THAT JERRY. It was that way for years in music and stripping, but those people finally stood up for their rights and guess what Jerry, the are all WINNING.
And if not answering your qyuestions PROVES im full of shit, then sthe same applies to your doesnt it Jerry?
What question havent I answered?
Jerry, there are thousand of jobs with risks. In ALL of those industries it is the EMPLOYER who has to pay for that risk…
Why should porn companies be exempt from paying for those risks that they themselves admit their employees are taking?
And Jerry,
your atack on JROD for doing nothing but ageeing with me really shows your true colors. He said nothing to you and you hurled insults at him
Keep grasping for the straws Jerry.
ANd I may have made a mistake befrre,,,the hearing is JUNE29 not july. No excuse for not showing up Jerry. unless of course there is a bus strike
Let me start with the last thing first, you fucking IDIOT:
JRod did nothing but agree with you and I show my true colors? This proves, Joe, that you have more problems than just typing without getting dyslexic.
JRod wrote to Jeremiah Steele: “maybe you should put down the ufo books / starwars figures and start thinking a little about your career (if you can call it that)”.
That’s right, I’m showing my true colors, Joe Don’t Know. MORON!
Ok, it’s our (the performers’) fault we have no union. Thankyou very much. Where have you been all our lives, Joe?
You say you have the utmost respect for sex workers. Is that why you keep calling us “whores”? Only us whores can call us “whores”, just like only dark skinned people can call each other _______ (a/er- what’s the difference, right Prez?)!
No, I’m not lying. You’re lying. You advocated taking Eliza tests in addition to PCR. If need be I’ll dig through past posts and find it.
One more “grasping at straws” or bus comment and I’m telling Steve Driver where you live and that it’s a good place to hide.
Jerry,
You pathetic asswipe.
I wont bring this to the other thread, but when you start making jokes about these murders”they should make a parody” you really show the pathetic little man you are.
YOU ARE A WHORE. THAT IS A FACT THAT YOU CAN NOT DENY. YOU WILL STICK YOUR DICK IN ANY IGRASY INGECTED HOLE JUST OT MAKE A BUCK.
I said I would not be opposed to using on site testing, IN ADDITION to the regualr screening.
ANd anybody can call you a whore because THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE. ARE YOU TRYING TO DENY THAT YOURE NOT A WHORE?
Jerry, whose fault is it that the perfromers dont have a union if not the prerfromers themselves. Who else is supposed to do it?
Now go donate some more money to AIM so they can pay the laywers who are fighting to keep the status quo for perfroemrs. They need YOUR money to cover their asses,,,,,and theyre getting it.
Jerry, how can you not see the ‘conspiracy’ that you have been a part of. Keep paying Steve Hirsh’s bills Jerry.
Why do you stll refuse to answer my questions Jerry?
But you did let some truth come through in your above comment….’Paying to play is bullshit,perhaps……”
Jerry,you know it is bullshit, there is no “perhaps” about it. You knew you couldnt disagree with that, but you have to put that little”perhaps” in there to make it seem like “perhaps’ it’s not bullshit. You just cant come out and admit it can you jerry,,,,IT is total bullshit, and NO perhaps. Do you havew the guts to say it like it is, or do you always have to put that little “perhaps” in there so as not to look like you agree with me.
IS it bullhsit or not????? You sort of say yes, but not really. Your arguments are weak.
I say its total bullshit……without trying to have it both ways, PERHAPS you could tell us one way or the other without hedging your bets.
And when you mentioned my statemensts about the elisa test, why didnt you say that I said they sould be used in conjusction with the established procedusres?
Funny how you forgot to mention that, A lie of ommision is a lie none the less.
And the second gunman wa paid by a mafia memeber of the military industry that had its base in Cuba and was paid by Lyndon Johnson.
I am not laughing at Tom Dong’s death. People make movies all the time exploiting tragedy and war. I need not name examples, do I? Also you don’t get the irony of tone. People love tragedy, whether they admit it or not. Roy Garcia/Little Dick Dummy is one example. He gets off talking about who the supposed losers are over and over, those who lives are supposedly filled with tragedy. He shits on those who supposedly have been shit on by life, itself.
How do you just form a union? You’re absolutely unrealistic, as usual. Mainstream has SAG and look how much non union shit is shot. Imagine if porn had a union. It would be a joke.
I said pay to play is perhaps wrong. Stop jumping on the word “perhaps”, you idiot. Yeah, it’s wrong. You happy?
Advocating Eliza tests, in conjunction or not is worthless and useless. There’s more holes in Eliza than swiss cheese. That’s my point. Go suck Roy Daddy’s dick.
LOL I just read all these comments and holy shit…
True story.. I shot content with gianna michaels and sophie dee… gianna had set up the director and offered him bj stills only for directing .. we were all cool with that.. so later the girls were pissed at me.. why? because supposedly I had sold the film .. the piece of shit director had stolen the content and sold it.. sophie had physically seen the sex video online..
So i started bangin doors and making phone calls.. I finally talked to the douche bag that owned the site and had bought the stolen video and obviously knew it as he had dumbly used me as his excuse and said I had sold it to him and worked for him all the time…
I had met this dude once in my life and it was at a porn party and it was consistant of “hi, nice to meet you goodbye” So he didn’t like being called out even though I was courteous but blunt at first. So get this.
This idiot posted Gianna’s, sophies, and my driver liceneses online on his weak ass website…
This reminds me of what freepornstarpix has done.
We can all imagine the horrors of what could happen to the girls or my family with out real names and address’s posted online for the world to see…
The reult… dude is a mark… thats all i will say..
freepornstarpix and I have had words online in the past.. i dont think much of peeps that talk about “do you know the influence I have”
who the fuck are you… notice free in there dumb bitch.. tara who????? maybe the city college should sue you for using a pic that you were not entitled to use on a site that you make money from or allegedky anyway..
#1 problem with the industry in whole is that people that are’nt stars think that they are more important then the stars the,mselves, but yet without the stars these same people would be flippin burgers… I do hope that sinnamon and kitten incite some fucckin violence and pay some home girls from the hood to beat your ass.. that would be fitting givin your fuckin jacked action
Shit if I had kids and you posted my kids pic on a site like that.. thier wouldn’t even be talking, you would be a walking dead bitch.. believe that.. you wouldn’t be safe at LAPD fuckin headquaters… i wouldn’t care if it meant paying a CORRUPT ASS cop to wack your ass, as in the case of big E smalls…
Thats my opinion..
Note: Joe knows you are such a fuckin weasel…
Dude you’re trully pathetic.. one comment porn stars are whores and prostitutes and the next to fit your argument, we are “sex workers” .. hay joe go fuck yourself.. no one here has asked for your help.. go find another cause you fuckin jag off… “we dont want your help”
No one here as ever asked for your help… go fuck yourself.. you’re a back stabbing piece of shit, thats hoping to get layed hanging around the industry. We have seen your kind before.. Your here to help the stars and love us but hate the ones that use us… LOL meanwhile you call stars whores and prostitutes and you call company owners Mr. .. you are so fuckin see through.
let me make it clear
“NO ONE HERE WANTS YOUR SUPPOSED HELP” you’re not even in the industry but you spurt shit like you are our savior.. LOLOL.. hay joe knows dick…. you are a fuck piece of shit buddy…. I trust you less then a cracck head on the corner.. at least I know what to expect from the crack head.. you are a fuckin snake.. one minute your here to help and love and feel for stars and the next your bashing and biting spuein shit like whore and prostitute…
FUCK YOU BUDDY…… YOU ARE NO ONES FRIEND…..
PS a woman that marries a man so she will have security and nice things, could be a ladfy all around, but she is still having sex for money if she aint got a job. So i guess the definition of prostitute can slice all sorts of way and right down to the leave it to beaver senario.. does that many barbra bush and every first in history was a whore cause they aint got no jobs and have sex with thier hubbbys in order to be fed clothed and housed and straight given money.. and even left on the night stand some times LOL
Oh Also note all I had to do was call the hosting company and at first they sorta got it but then as soon as I mention suing them if the shit didn’t come down asap it was daone.. they contected the bitch seven that owned Hiphopmeets porn and informed him he was in violation of his agreement and if it ever happened again they would be canceling his hosting indefinitely…
I suggest you do the same Sinnamon…
Just another reason why talent should shoot with talent only and cut production companies and parasites like these out of the picture.. talent should book and shoot with talent.. all we need is each other and distribution.. fuck production companies..
Shit one last note is half the fuckin girls in the industry are pulling tricks and many are up front about the shit… take a look at the bunny ranch some time and see what stars are thier alone… people wanna bash on Sinnamon, and yet she is far from the biggest name out thier …
I suspect she is just an easier target though cause she wields less power then a sunny lane or others that straight up say it and with a phone call could do career ending damage to peeps in the industry that would bash on them like they have of Sinnamon or Monica Foster …
Bottom line is unless you are talent and enduring the risk from some of the behavior that any of these girls are exhibiting, then you aint got shit to do with it.. This is an industry that girls come into to make a name so that they make more money doing exactly that.. it’s no secret… so to throw it out here like its some big fuckin suprise is quite ridiculous..
And to pick on one girl for doing it is a joke when girls you all talk to and call friends are doing the exact same thing.. Personally most of you are missing some vertabrae if you ask me… personally I have no doubt that alot of contract and top girls in the industry have done some “privates” in thier day but just managed to keep em hush hush..
LA Direct is known for sending girls to “bachelor parties” and lets not pretend that we dont all know what the fuck that really means.. shit in fact he even list’s the girls or did anyway that do it..
it’s amazing how people get in this industry in some shape or form, but are never in front of the camera, and then all of a sudden think they have some god given right to bitch and moan about what people in front of the camera are doing in thier own time.
Thats talents problem and concearn.. if you aint never been in front of the camera or no longer are then guess what???? your opinion means exactly dick!!!!!!
Justin,.
Just cant stop making up those little fantasy stories can you ….. And as far as never bieng in front of a camera and therefor e opinion means shit….This is perhadp the most ignorant thing you have said yet.
Do you really think youre going to achieve any goals here WITHOUT people who have never been in front of a camera. Yo think you dont need the producers, and distributors, and directors to pull together to make change. You think ONLY that talent can make the change.
Thats how wrong you are…….It is these other people besides the talent that have to change you moron. The talent remais the same, you have to change the attitued of these other people to achieve anything, and telling them their opinion means shit aint a very good way to go about it.
Your cause is a just one, Justin,,,,,to bad youre alientating the very people you NEED inorder to make real change.
And Jerry,
Of course testing isnt 100%. Nothing in life is. But it seems like youre saying that becuase testing isnt 100% foolproof then there should be none at all. You throw the baby out with the bathwater solutions are laughable.
it has been a pleasure owning you here for the last week or so. I am really looking forward to seeing you make a fool of yourself at the hearing. PERHHAPS we can film it for a comdy central special.
Talent doesn’t need directors idiot.. most directors are from the talent pool you fuck… Joanna angle, Lexington steel, stormy danieal, ect…… Picking up a camera and shooting porn is far from rocket science dick weed…
Read my post again I said “all talent needs is talent and distribution” so fuck you idiot…. Their aint nothing fantasy in my post.. you are however entirely made up.. no name no job and no proof that you know shit… you pull stats off web sites and think you know..
The fact is unless you are the ONE fucking these stars then thier health and work conditions are none of your fucking business.. I and every star will tell you the same.. we are all united on that thier smart guy.. Joe you talk out your ass about shit that is none of your fucking business..
Until you start sticking your cock into female porn stars or male gaqy stars then shut your fuckin pie hole because to us your just another fuckin critic that sits in is house and jerks off but wants to make policy that effects us and us alone … you’re a wet dream politician….
And who are you to tell anyone they are wrong.. you call me ignorant and I call you arrogant.. you fucking jag off.. come out and out and say it for once.. what is your realtionship to the industry if any Joe Knows Dick..
joe what I’m trying to tell you is in this game you are even more insignificant than jeremy and I.. or any talent for that matter…
Eliza isn’t foolproof, that’s for sure. And AID$ Orgazations are proof fools are running the fear circus.
http://reason.com/archives/1994/06/01/what-causes-aids
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/chap2.htm
And for those who can’t read:
On another final note justin,
As you well know, and most dont like to talk about it, but there are a good number of the MALE talent that ‘escort; on the side too…..but we just dont atalk about that too much now do we?
I dont and I dont know any that do .. shit if I could find milf and cougars to pay me for sex outside work I would be down.. shit to idiots like you we are prostitutes anyway so why the hell not.. now go back to your Klan meeting and shut up.. and close your legs you’re smelling the joint up…
LOL.. put that in your blunt and smoke it dick weed
It’s called escWHorting. The sex is free but the conversation is expensive.
Hay Joe Blows Himself .. why dont you enlighten us since all of us in the industry fail in comparison to your vast and unobstructed and 120% accurate knowledge of the industry, as to who these guys are that you speak of??????
Come on Joe us poor dumb ignorant hood rat prostitutes and whores are waiting on our hands and knees to here the shear sound of your voice.. You are are god.. I mean you know so much about OUR job that we just have sorta adopted you as the head like dick sucking guru dude…
Please enlighten us to who these guys are that are escorting.. or is this your fantasy??? NO Joe I wont suck your dick.. I dont swing that way.. Never have and never will..
LOLOL no talent = no content = no company
no company = talent putting out thier own product = we are already doing that..
Bottom line = many many talents book content trade, shoot thier own content trade, edit and author thier own shit, andd have it printed reproduced and ship and sold thru distribution deals…
LLOL that is fact and that = NO COMPANY NEEDED
I have yet to EVER see a company put out ANY product EVER with NO talent
Dumbass it TAKES TALENT to make a film, scene, or weak ass site like free pornstarpix.
Joe You KNOW DICK.. Tell all the webgirls in the world that have never shot scene one for anyone but for themselves and have never put out any DVD and make bank every month off thier sites that they need a production companies help to do it…
They are doing it without production companies being involved you fuckin idiot… DVD is dying and fast.. Shit I ran and was part owner in a printing business from 01′-06′ i can print damn near cheaper then the production companies can.. I get it at cost from my old business partner.. LOL
editing ????? I could throw a rock and hit 20 editors that are dying for work.. cameramen??? shit I have 30 or 40 peeps that are Talent and some directors for big ass companies that will trade I hold for them they hold for me.. distribution????? Shit thier are more distribution deals out thier then you can shake a stick at…
LOLOL.. you’re theory is sunk Joe Knows Dick… it’s only a matter of time before companies that haven’t snagged up distribution deals for individual talents, that the companies start going under.. talent is tired of getting robbed blind by these fucks… sure it’s nice to stay at home an get a call and just go to work and make a living that way, but talent see’s as a whole that they need to own thier own product..
So again
talnet shoooting and editing and authoring reproducing own content and releasing thru own distribution = no prodcution company required
production company with NO talent = NO PRODUCTION COMPANY
I dare you to contradict the meat of this
Justin,
“TALENT” in this industry is as replaceable as the tires on your car.
“Talent” in this industry will work for anybody who gives them a paycheck….they cuold care less about your crusade. \\
Show me one company that has EVER had trouble getting “talent’ for their profjects. It has never happened. There always ahs been, and always will be people willing to fill those roles. Nothing you have done or said has had any impact on that what so ever.
And the girs who make their own sites with their own content, they are the smart ones.
See Justing, its THe GIRLS that people want to see…they could care less who the stunt dick is. I DARE YOU TO CONTRADICKED THE MEAT OF THIS. When was the last time you saw a press release that advertised the next Justin Long movie, ir the next Jerry Steele movie.
ANd your use of the word “TALENT” is hilarious. Talent is the last thing the majority of porn performers have….And those with real talent get out of performing as soon as it has served their needs. Its the no talent hacks like you and Steele that remain performers for years and NEVER move up the chain.
The industry is dead if youre not one of the talented people. Performers are nothing but props used in the productions….Very few performers have ever had any real ‘Power” in the industry. You can count on one hand the Jennas and…..well just Jenna….The rest of you are replaceable props, and nobody will know the difference.
“I DARE YOU TO CONTRADICKED THE MEAT OF THIS”?
Joe, it’s time to take your meds, again.
Thank God porn has you to help improve our lives. I can make many necklaces with all your pearls of wisdom.
You truly are an idiot. Jenna’s your hero? She’s gone the same self-destructive route John Holmes did, just slower. Maybe it’s better to be just a “prop” than a “star” in this fucking industry.
Jerry,
I notice you DID NOT conradict what I said…..Its The girls people want to see they could care less who the dick is……..DO you have anything to say regarding this statemnt, or is a personal attack all you can come up with? You could drop of the face of the earth tomorrow and the porn industry wouldnt even notice.
And as far as Jenna goes, she is the only perfromer who ever weiled any ‘power’ as a perfromer.
ANd then you go on with the lettle stories again,,,,Jennas my hero? Where in your imagination did you come up with this.
ANd your life is beyond improvement Jerry. You have had years in this industry and you are still nothing but a “C” list performer. Aside from your years long feud with a former flame, what else are you known for, except your conspiracy theories. NOTHING!!!!!
NOw, as usual, make up another imaginary story about me. Funny thing, all the stuff I write abuot you being a low budget,”C” list perfromer, with nothing to show for YEARS of work is true, and NOT ONE SINGLE bit of any of the made us stories youve written is even close to the truth. ONLY IN YOUR MIND JERRY.
How many others who have been in your industry as long as you have as little to show as you do….not many JErry, not many.
ANd as far as Jenna being self destructive…Yes i agree, but wouldnt you like to be as self destructive with her bank account. If she called you tommorrow and offered you 100 bucks to do a scene, you would jump on it faster than flies on shit, and dont even try to pretend you wouldnt.
And since you bring up John Holmes, why do you think the industry never villified HOlmes for working when he knew he had HIV? Laurie HOlmes confirmed this in her book. The difference between Holmes and Jenna is their band accoutns. Holmes wa a broke ass loser like you Jerry. Maybe you can make that your next claim to fame, “Jerry Steele,,another broke ass male prostitute, just like John Holmes.”
ANd again, your personal attacks instead of attacking the message speaks volumes Jerry. You got nothing to say so you make the personal attacks. Now go collect your cans and bottles to get your bus fare for the meeting in a few weeks.
What makes you think you know me, Joe? Again and again you resort to insulting the people you claim you are here to help. You’re a bonafide piece of shit, a disgrace to whatever cause or organization you represent and I look forward to meeting you. I was willing to actually be of service to your cause, even if it’s indirectly, by answering and expanding on some of the questions you’ve asked and possibly others, as I’m not a sophist on behalf of producers. But at this point with your constant put downs of myself and other industry people, the only reason I’m showing up to OSHA is to meet you. Let’s see if you’re man enough to introduce yourself, loser.
You fucked up. Nice work