NL- This is the opinion of Shelley. I do not have the all the charges etc… verified, although i do have copies of some of them. I do not usually post about people accusing others of crimes, but in this instance I think it is necessary in order for there to be both sides of the story represented fairly.
Cindi,
Please read harassing email below. I know that Madelyne has already tried to discredit this recent video that she participated in with us, but we believe it is more important to show her sober vs. being under the influence when she was filmed by the person who wrote the below email.
Also, attached are recent police records where Madelyne was arrested twice for public drunkenness in the one short month she lived here in Bakersfield. Each time a Pink Cross team member took care of her child while she was in jail. Each time we picked her up from jail and took care of her. She was also arrested for assault and battery for physically attacking her mother. Public records show the case number is TCM254824 at Tulare County Court. It was after this arrest that we took her in after she lied to us and said her mother beat her. Police records show differently. Also, after speaking with her mother we now know she blatantly lied to us.
Also to help Madelyne with more legal problems we wrote to ask mercy from the judge regarding her recent DUI filed with Tulare County Court case number TCM251378. Madelyne makes reference to this in the video. We also paid her attorney fees for her DUI. We literally did everything we could to help Madelyne. Obviously we didn’t force her to take our help. She gladly accepted our help. She also asked me to vouch for her with Child Protective Services when a social worker came to Bakersfield to take her baby away due to child neglect.
Pink Cross has supported Madelyne for over two years financially, physically, emotionally and even legally through her serious legal problems and addictions. We have over two years of photos and videos that clearly show she was given tons of love and major support for her recovery. We drove her to all of her meetings and doctor appointments since she was not legally allowed to drive due to the DUI.
When she became abusive to team members due to being intoxicated we warned her that if she continued that she would need to seek in-patient care. She refused to follow the rules and we had to ask her to leave the premises. It was a hard decision to make but we cannot help someone who is physically and verbally abusive time and time again. No recovery home would tolerate such behavior. Madelyne is angry and is now lashing out.
I’m tired of people harassing me and Pink Cross team members. I’m tired of people changing their minds about us after they have received thousands of dollars worth of help and support. Madelyne is seriously delusional about the care she received. Our team members have hearts of gold and exhausted themselves helping her. We truly hope Madelyne will get the care she needs.
Shelley
NL- I will post the email, but can’t yet. It contains very personal info on people not directly involved in this who are not in the industry or pink cross. I have to check out what has to be removed.
Shelley Lubben, like any practiced predator, wants to intimidate her many victims into silence by threatening to disclose the skeletons in their closets — EXACTLY as she tried to do with her own brother in the message I quoted in my email to Shelley.
If anyone ever needed more proof of Shelley Lubben’s black heart, I don’t know what it might possibly be.
Dear Shelley,
1) Who exactly at Pink Cross is properly credentialed to treat people with addiction issues, or psychological issues? Who has the training, and the degree?
Jenni Case didn’t finish high school, as I understand it.
You cheated you way through high school (according to you), and have only a degree from an unaccredited diploma mill online “college.”
And don’t give me that “I’m a pastor” b.s. (Garrett’s father was a pastor, and Garrett ended up a drug addict and dealer who married a drunk, drug-addicted diseased hooker and con artist). A lot of good THAT did. I mean REAL accreditation. The kind you’d need to work at a rehab center or the like.
2) Do you deny that you drank during the time Maddy was there?
3) Do you deny that you took pills during the time Maddy was there?
4) Do you deny that you gave Maddy prescription medications when she was with you?
5) Do you deny that you went to rehab recently?
6) How can you claim Maddy was intoxicated while at Pink Cross, but then expect us to believe that miraculously she was sober when YOU out her on video? Why was she repeatedly intoxicated if Pink Cross was doing its job?
I wasn’t going to say anything, but nothing about the video and text refutes any of the very specific things Madelyne said. Other people have come forward to say that their stories were embellished–as is usually the case for the purpose of glorifying “god” when one turns to religion. It’s common. But two people–one ex-actress and one family member of a deceased actress–have asked Lubben to remove their stories and/or pictures from her content, and nothing has been done.
This addresses nothing. It looks like a guilt trip to me. It means nothing to use footage someone gave you if they thought you were really trying to help them and then realized that was not the case. Is it true that Lubben put herself in rehab but never Madelyne? Is it true that Lubben told her to give her baby away if it came out black. Is it true that Lubben “knew” Madelyne beat up her mother yet let a story about Madelyne being the beaten one sit on the PCF site for money collection purposes? In fact, it looks like that story was just taken down.
This presentation is severely wanting, and if it really did come with a private email involving people whose information shouldn’t be shared, I’m disgusted, as usual.
Here is the email that SHELLEY’S OWN BROTHER sent to her on Wednesday, October 5th.
Tell me Shelley, is your brother — a Christian man, who was never a porn star or a prostitute, and never an alcoholic or drug addict — lying too?
Shelley,
It’s my understanding you contacted mom yesterday through email to warn her of a ‘dangerous’ pornographer who is ‘stalking’ you? It’s also my understanding you are claiming he threatened your life? Do you have any documented proof to substantiate your claims – dangerous, stalking, threatening life? If so, please forward it to me so I can see it for myself.
I need to correct you on a few things.
1) I didn’t fall for anything. 2) Michael Whiteacre didn’t contact me. 3) I contacted him. 4) I do not have a partnership with him, support pornography, did not sign a contract, receive payment or been given any special gifts or incentives. 5) My intent is to provide factual information of your past, our parents and my experience as your brother. This is information you have almost entirely left out of your book, tv interviews and Internet documentation. 6) I have made it very clear to Michael that I do not support pornography but I do support the truth being made public since so much untruth has been spread by you.
You are using a Christian platform to spread lies about our parents and your past so it seemed only fitting for me to use a secular one to spread the truth.
I want you to know that I am not ‘mad’ at you, I am furious with you. I’m not the one ‘dragging’ our whole family into the public spotlight. You have done an excellent job of that yourself. I have spoken many times to this man over the phone and he is not a psychopath. If anything he works with porn but he is coherent and concise in all of the information he gives; I cannot say the same about you. I have seen numerous videos of you on youtube where you are incoherent and belligerent. It is very reminiscent of the way you were 20 years ago.
I’m sorry Shelley but I don’t believe a word that comes out of your mouth. This is not because I’m being influenced by a ‘psychotic pornographer’. I have known you my entire life and you are a master manipulator. You once said I was ‘secretly jealous of you’ — you don’t know how wrong you are. I feel sorry for you and hope one day you get the help you so desperately need.
Maddy didn’t look “well” in the video above, Shelley. She looked weak and emotionally broken. Of course, you presented it as The Pink Cross were the only people that cared about her but what about promoting personal growth?
Maddy might have her problems but that’s understandable. She came to you for HELP from these problems but you are supposed to held to higher standard since you are leader.
You are Starr from “White Oleander”.
If Shelley were REALLY trying to “help” Maddy, why did she keep bailing her out when it was apparent she had a problem? Isn’t it called “enabling” when you bail someone out over and over again like that? An addict won’t seek help when she has someone like Shelley to run to.
As a former employee of the Pink Cross Foundation, and someone who has known Maddie for a long time, I just want to say that I completely support Maddie, and the things that she said in this video.
Maddie does not deny that she has an alcohol problem, and it is apparent that she is taking the steps necessary to overcome her addiction.
As far as the claims made in her video, while I cannot attest to what happened in the Recovery Home, I will say that I was there on the 4th of July, was witness to what happened, and can confirm that she is being truthful. Maddie WAS passed out in the bedroom, and people were drinking in that home.
I guess what really disturbs me the most about this response is, aside from all of the dirt that is being brought out about Maddie, how many times it appears that the Pink Cross bailed her out, even though it was apparent that she had problems. I know that Pink Cross did bail her out on many occasions, even covering for her with CPS, according to this statement.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that, when you keep bailing out a person time after time, that person will continue in his/her reckless behaviour. It’s called enabling. No wonder Maddie never got help for her problem — not when she had Pink Cross to run to every time.
I am here to do nothing more but lend my support to Maddie. I am not here to bash Shelley, Pink Cross, or to take sides, but I can attest to the fact that Maddie is being honest, and she deserves to be heard, and deserves a chance at a future for her and her daughter.
Soooo when are there going to be expose`s on all the porn agents and studio owners who do the same thing as Lubben?
I can’t count how many contract girls I’ve seen in porn interviews who look totally f’d up due to their enablers but no one has nearly as bad as a reaction to their handlers as they do to Lubben.
Being that Lubben hasn’t done an “adequate job” I have to ask Whiteacre – WHO DO YOU PROPOSE DOES HELP WOMEN LEAVE PORN?
After all is said and done, Whiteacre are YOU planning on setting up a proper organization to help women get their shit together? If not you WHO? Diane Duke? LOLOLOL Maybe some other friends of yours who don’t have enough drive to hold down a regular job?
WHO WILL HELP THE WOMEN WITH NO WHERE TO GO and who have no clue as to how to restart their lives? Maybe you don’t want women to have any hope of an exit. Is that the goal?
I’m not pro Lubben – I’ve met her and there were issues – I also don’t like how I found out some things about her actions later – however at least she’s there. I still say if you’re gonna throw a party for Max Hardcore you have to have a Lubben for balance.
Regardless someone better figure out something in regards to women who are sick of the porn system and who want out. Seems to me the primary reason to cut Lubben out of the equation is so that some other group can be the recipient of certain funding – and I’m going to be watching to see EXACTLY who winds up receiving that funding.
If it’s anyone connected to the FSC or something of the like in any way I won’t shut up about it.
Your move, Shelley.
Oh, and I have lots more.
Okay well didn’t I already blog about my past arrest and DUI? To Shelley your brother Chris **** emailed me today and I definately will forward this to Cindy! I have already made my court dates public on this site! You are still a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will challenge you to all your lies and don’t worry more to come! Your a joke and I am going to stick with Whiteacre till the end! Please feed me more I definately can’t wait to expose you!
I Meant I did blog about my past DUI who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last time I was arrested you told jenni you felt responsible for it and YOU GAVE ME 10 ATIVAN IN EXCHANGE FOR MY CLONOPIN! DUMB BITCH! CINDY CAN WE SET UP A INTERVIEW??????????????????????????
Shelley didn’t the day CPS went to your house you fall in your hallway and hit the wall and I was there to your rescue???????????????? YOUR WHOLE MOUTH WAS BRUISED????????????? YOU told Jenni that what would happen if CPS went to your house and took your kids away! YOU hate your oldest daughter? You told me she was FAT and that Jenni was a hippo and April was crazy! JAN went behind your back and that Ricky B was a NIGER! COME ON I will debate your sorry ass till your done! YOUR OWN FAMILY HAS CONTACTED ME? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you willl not win like you sat ” god spoke to me”? Yup he also spoke to me and told me to expose your lying self! Wait didn’t u beg me not to expose you the day I left and I am so ready to fight you till the end! Thank you and definitely pray for ME! Kisses to you Shelley and friends…….. poor SERVENTS like you called them/ YOU made poor JENNI send her son home from visiting her after a year and didn;t have the balls to tell her! You made your bitch ROGER tell her and wait you told me you pay them peanuts to serve you am I right? Please debate me and all my legal stuff is clear! whooooo hoooooooooo How is sobriety? lets debate and I challenge YOU LIAR!
Now, I’m not going to get in the way of Maddy getting her rebuttal on against Shelley.
But, this newly found respect for the Ministress from you, Monica, I find quite interesting..especially since you were the one who was all but calling Shelley out as a racist and a phony about two years ago.
What changed since then, Monica?? The fact that Shelley’s now favoring the condom mandate that you have always favored?? The fact that your “conversion” to being a “born-again” Christian talking smack about how the porn industry was dominated by “Satanic cults” didn’t quite pan out as you expected?? Or, maybe, it’s just the usual old hateration against..well, whatever is on your target list this week??
Oh, and Monica?? Plenty of women leave porn on their own accord every day, and most of them are not drugged out or stoned or even broke. And quite a few of them are even true born-again Christians. How many of them are flocking to Lubben’s ministry, if it is so effective in aiding them??
Memo to the APA: the enemies of your enemies might not be your friends for long. Trust, but verify.
Anthony
uh oh – so Lubben has used the N word and called someone fat – still sounds about like your typical porn agent , pimp, porn pr guy, studio owner etc (and none of them have expose’s ).
I still wanna know WHO the porn industry is going to elevate as the new “anti-porn” icon to replace Lubben to rake in all those donations from people who want to help with the “fight against porn” (which never really ends because anti-porn and pro-porn are all the same people in actuality with the money just circulating, being laundered, etc) – I KNOW there has to be someone the FSC or Whiteacre has in mind – WHOOOOOOO??????
It had better not be any of the 4 people I’ve narrowed the list down to.
This is hilarious and just wow!
Shelley did good though with PR recovery….
Michael came back with a mighty fist though….
Good for Maddie coming out…now maybe other girls will follow suit.
AprilG even said she doesn’t deny what Maddie stated in the video..another person affiliated with Pink Cross…
And wow her own brother – I also love how she puts pornstars who died in car accidents (who were not under the influence) in her death toll…
Just ridiculous…and if a family member is asking you to take their sister/brother/neice/cousin/daughter/son – You have the respect and take it down!
Getting back to the main issue:
So, let me get this perfectly straight: Ministeress Lubben’s only response to the charge that she lied her ass off about having kicked her drug and alcohol habits through “God’s word”, and the charge that she even went so far as to enable and extend Maddy’s addiction, with some incredibly dangerous self-medication using potentially lethal anit-psychotic meds to boot….is to attack the messenger using the “You were NOTHING before we MADE you, and you will BE NOTHING without us!!” card??
Gee, Shelley…like you attacked Taryn Thomas by threatening to out her “past” behavior if she didn’t join your little cult…errrrrrrr, received the salvation of Jesus Christ??
Just like you attempted to smack down Nina Hartley by claiming that she “contracted chlymadia four times during her career”..despite the fact that Nina has more clinical experience in her left nipple that you have in your entire body?? (Not to mention, more YEARS in porn than you even have FILM credits.)
And this is supposed to be the behavior of a God-loving ministry who seeks to cure women of their addiction?? Really, Shelley??
This confirms what I’ve been saying all along: Shelley Lubben is to antiporn fundie ministers what Jimmy Swaggart and Ted Haggard are to evangelicals in general: pretenders who use the Word of God as a crutch to mask their denial and supression of their own myopia.
And…when you’ve lost your own brother, you are truly screwed. Give it up, Shelley, and seek some real help from true professionals.
Anthony
Before I leave, though, back to you, Monica:
Does the name “Pink Ladies Social Club” ring any bells?? Or..”Porn 101″?? Those were attempts by institutionalized porn performer women to educate girls just entering into the business as to what to expect and how to survive the grind, the fame, and the stigma of being a porn star.
Do you know who were the main originators and hosts of that “Porn 101” video?? I’ll tell you: Sharon Mitchell of AIM-MED (that organization that is always slammed for not protecting performers, even though thanks to them, three potential HIV outbreaks have been contained without any performers getting infected while shooting scenes); and Nina Hartley, who just so happens to be the Educational Adviser for APHSS and a former founding member of FSC (you know, that organization that is only interested in destroying its opponents and allegedly keeping porn performer women chained to their beds).
Now, Monica…tell me again about how Shelley Lubben is being attacked by an FSC propaganda campaign??
You were better off when you were maligning Vanessa Blue for her relationship with Mike Fattorosi (or, probably more accurately, for leaving Lexington Steele). Stick to the vendettas you can handle, dear.
Anthony
What changed Anthony is that I figured out that there’s a money trail and there’s quite a few money hungry people attached to (or on the fringes of) porn who are willing to work under the guise of being “anti-porn”, “religious”, “anti-human trafficking”, “women’s empowerment” etc.
I also realized that the intimidation and psychological warfare tactics that are being utilized against individuals who are in the middle of these issues is wrong.
All this effort against Lubben (who I do not support or like, but realize is a HUMAN BEING) is wrong and if she winds up attempting committing suicide it will be a tragedy regardless of the misdeeds she’s done (which in my view pale in comparison to what certain “pro porn” individuals have done that no one DARES “expose”).
I know exactly who was involved with the PORN 101 and 102 videos – I actually watched them and thought they were very well done. Unfortunately few performers have EVER seen those videos over the past few years and now that AIM is closed and testing isn’t centralized I’m curious as to how the important info in those videos will reach the talent.
I actually made it to the meeting which was conducted in regards to the introduction of the APHSS (even though I was initially banned and labeled as a “terrorist”) and I wasn’t impressed by what I head at all. I also wasn’t impressed that only about 12 performers were present.
I’ve kept up with the FSC happenings and statements and there are too many points for me to go over in this comment thread which concern me, but I’ll do it at some point on my own blog.
This issue isn’t “over my head” Anthony – but if it makes you feel better to think it is, that’s cool – because like it or not things I notice that simply aren’t right or ethical, other people that have much more power and say than I do are noticing as well.
The Lubben issue isn’t really about religion at all – or even helping performers. It’s about funneling the grant money and donations she receives to a different party and in my view – certain individuals within the porn industry are willing to go to great lengths to have control of who gets that money.
People are watching to see WHO winds up replacing Lubben as top “anti-porn” dog and WHO that person is attached to.
@Shelley Lubben — The piper came today, and he is hell to pay.
It’s not like I didn’t warn you. I asked you to stop this charade. I offered you the chance to go on camera and repent — to confess, and come clean and let the chips fall where they may.
But you simply cannot cop to ANYTHING. Instead, you’d rather go down in flames and drag everyone down with you — including those closest to you; even your own family.
You have been exposed, Shelley: exposed as a very sick woman who HURTS others. May G-d have mercy on your soul.
@Anthony — Two thoughts. 1) Regardless of my differences of opinion with Mr. Fattorosi, he has done right by Madelyne, and I want to thank him publicly for his efforts.
2) I will be interviewing Taryn Thomas when I get to Arizona. There will be closure, and there will be vindication for the victims of the Pink Cross ministry of fear — as G-d is my witness.
@Maddy — You are my hero. You are a fighter and I am honored to know you. Thank you for reaching out to me and trusting me with your story.
You can look back and LAUGH at the memory of Shelley Lubben BEGGING YOU to not contact me. Now you know why. LOL
@Roger (I know you’re out there) I hope you have a fresh résumé typed up. You are going to need it, jerk-off.
@Jenni — It was you who co-opted Madelyne’s Facebook account to play games with me in June. You pretended to be her and friend-requested me from her account — and then fucked with me. Remember when you called me “Satan’s bitch”?
Who’s the bitch now?
I don’t know about you guys, but my parents taught me that every person is reasonable for his or her own actions. What I don’t understand after watching this video about how producers are all liars because they make money off of girls. Are you telling me they made you suck that cock? No, YOU decided to do that scene. YOU decided to accept that money. Now you are condemning the business side of the industry for well doing what it is they do that keeps the industry going, making money from that scene?? They paid you, your going rate, now that’s not good enough? You made money but they shouldn’t?
I don’t understand this part of the argument. It’s nothing really against this girl in particular, just all of them in general. What’s their big bitch? I’m truly confused. Maybe I’ve only worked with smart girls. I watch the girls I’ve worked with look at a horribly depress real estate market and invest in property. One guy I know just bought a 6 bedroom 5,000 sq foot house for $200k. Another girl I heard just bought a 72 unit apartment complex that was in foreclosure. Sure it needs some work but at the rate she bought it for, even if the worst of markets she’ll make her money back.
Anyway off topic here … I think the point I’m trying to make is, what really is their bitch? That they aren’t making enough money? Then don’t dot he scene, problem solved.
I’m so confused by all this? If you aren’t happy with what you are doing, then just don’t do it? I don’t really get it.
How dare that driver make money off of you DRIVING YOU TO YOUR JOB. WTF??!?!!?!?!?! THAT IS HIS JOB just as being a cock sucker is your job. We all get paid to do something. YOU CHOSE THAT, so why now is that a bad thing?
If you don’t feel like you like your job THEN GO GET ANOTHER JOB.
There is clearly something I’m missing here. I just don’t get it.
I really am not trying to start drama. I really just don’t get it.
@Monica — I don’t understand how you plan to track funding from private donors. How would that work, exactly?
That aside, you ask, “WHO DO YOU PROPOSE DOES HELP WOMEN LEAVE PORN?”
What woman has been “imprisoned” in the modern porn business? If you don’t like it, you leave. You did it. You’re a strong woman. Some performers may not be as strong, or as ambitious, as you — but this is a business, not a day nursery. Not everyone has what it takes to be a star or a success on their own — in any field.
The hardest thing for women in porn to overcome when they leave the industry are IDIOTS like Shelley Lubben reinforcing the stereotype that ALL women in porn are drug-addled, disease-ridden, mentally ill, slaves of Satan. Telling the world that porn performers are worthless IS NOT HELPING THEM. It makes it that much harder for them to find a place in the “civilian” world.
Porn performers have MORE to overcome since Lubben cooked up this Pink Cross scam than they had before she learned how to con Christians at the Champions Centre in Washington State.
Not to mention SHELLEY LUBBEN NEVER HELPED ANYONE LEAVE PORN. Performers did not leave their booths at the AVN expo and walk of into the sunset with Shelley Lubben, IT NEVER HAPPENED. Her “outreach” at porn conventions was a scam — she got attention, she got to dress up like the porn star she had dreamed of being since 1993, and she got a free trip to Vegas. That is the legacy of Pink Cross: failure and self aggrandizement on a spectacular scale.
You also ask, “when are there going to be exposés on all the porn agents and studio owners who do the same thing.” Make one. If you need my help, just ask. I have always made myself available to you, and even shared things about the Lubben situation with you. I am pro-performer, and pro-sex worker. I WANT to expose and stop real abuse.
Shelley Lubben was being used by forces who want to destroy the adult industry — AND free speech. My goal was to saw this leg off their stool. It will be a LOT easier, in my view, to build something solid for performers when their livelihoods are not under constant attack. That is my philosophy.
And for the last time, I am so sick of hearing FSC brought up in every post about me. FSC is Lubben’s favorite bogeyman, too. (I’ll be sharing some of those crazy emails as well.) FSC had nothing to do with this Lubben project. FSC did not, in my view, effectively defend against the attacks by Lubben and her ilk. I saw its approach, which was weak on these charlatans, as a FAILURE. The right philosophical position, but the wrong approach will still lead, inevitably, to failure. So I took matters in my own hands, and put my own money where my mouth is.
I advocate for MY principles. I do it on my own dime. I have never been a “hack” for hire. I fight for the people in this industry I’ve known and loved since 1993. And I’ll be damned if I’ll sit by and allow bullshit like this to happen.
Know what Michael, you’re right.
Lubben did hurt some women – she shouldn’t be able to “help” any other women until/if she can rework her own mindset – and you did a good thing by showing the world what was up.
Yep – people do need to take personal responsibility for their actions and choices and porn IS a business / industry – nothing more and nothing less and is not responsible for anyone having a very difficult time moving on from it.
Nina Hartley , the APHSS and the FSC are all anyone associated with the adult industry needs – damn anyone else.
Why bother questioning who will step up and help anyone ever in the future – no one should help. Everyone should just be concerned with themselves and money. Let people associated with the porn industry continue to enable hundreds of performer’s drug and alcohol issues. Why not? Once they’re used up and have no where to go and no life skills it’s their own problem.
I’m going to go back to not commenting or questioning here because it’s pointless – can’t show a blind people the color blue.
Keep it up with that anti/pro porn money circulation while you can.
once again Kelli insults women who make up an industry that her entire work is built upon.
noted.
if i were you all i backed michael and the anti-lubbenites 100 percent to have shelley lubbens activities and “ministry” and the so called “recovery home” investigated! this bitch cant go on any longe rif she hurts one more girl ill bust that bitch to pieces!
Wow. Even April Garris is backing Maddy up. She’s a REAL christian and studying to become a minister. I would take her word when it comes to Shelly over anyone else.
Shelly is done.
LESSON FOR EVERYONE: Do not try and fix other people when you need to be fixed yourself.
And I can’t believe it. The Colonel was the first to call Shelly’s white supremacist connections four years ago…
@AprilG – I want to thank you publicly for your honesty and integrity. Bless you.
The lesson here is that reasonable people can agree to disagree about issues, but there is NO place in this debate for self-interested predators who lie, manipulate, scheme and abuse while hiding under the cloak of doing “G-d’s work.”
@Shelley – Jesus called the hypocritical Pharisees “whited sepulchres”: Tombs which had been painted with whitewash on their exterior.
It means they were ROTTEN inside.
This still doesn’t answer the burning question: Will Michelle Avanti be taking teh cock on camera again? Erin Moore is back! We need Michelle back!
Madelyne is focusing on her recovery and she has not expressed to me any plans to return to adult movies. In fact, Shelley Lubben has been sowing discord in Maddy’s home by leading her mother to believe that since she is involved with this documentary, somehow I will be re-recruiting her into pornography. It is another lie from the house of Lubben. I have never and will never recruit anyone into pornography, and Maddy has never once mentioned returning to pornography. She has, quite to the contrary, discussed numerous other options and interests with me.
Wish the Colonel would chime in on this freak show.
“MonicaFoster Says: once again Kelli insults women who make up an industry that her entire work is built upon. noted.”
I insult woman for asking questions and clarifications? -rolls eyes- Let me tell you what an insult is. NOTE THIS …….
I picked up the phone and called 4 producer friends of mine and said “Hey remember those favors you owe me? Consider the slates wiped 100% clean if you don’t ever book that skank Monica Foster ever again.”
Now THAT is an insult.
My previous questions really were asked to get answers to better understand something I clearly don’t. A girl is paid to do a job, then that same girl verbally attacks the producer because he profited from that footage.
Now I realize people like you Monica don’t understand the very basics of business, but that’s how the world works. That’s why producers can afford to book girls for scenes because in the end they will profit from selling that footage.
I was simply asking if there was some factor that I perhaps wasn’t understanding and typical you, insult me for asking.
@Monica
Actually, I never said that the issue was “over your head”. I said that you were a bit inconsistent.
But, the point remains, you constantly decry FSC in so many ways, the same way you crucified AIM as a “monopoly”. Just like you say that you don’t like Shelley Lubben one minute, while in the next breath you praise her ministry as the only one who’s attempting to help women get out of porn. Can’t have it both ways, madame.
Do I believe that AIM was perfect?? Nope…Sharon Mitchell could have done a bit less posturing about being a “doctor”; they could have offered more testing options; and they could have done a better job of protecting their database from Donny Long’s associates raiding it. But, on the whole, they did as good a job of protecting performers from STI’s as they could; and they didn’t deserve to be massacred the way they were by AHF, Cal/OSHA, and especially by the likes of Shelley Lubben.
The main issue here, Monica, is your Sybill-like mood swings that tend to come every few months depending on who’s feeding you information. Example: you decry what Donkey Long and his forums were doing to you (and genuine props to you for helping shut him down)..but then, why were you so busy with those forums to begin with??
And oh…the issue is NOT whether anyone who rises to help women in porn deserves to be slammed or praised for the effort. The issue is the quality of care and the respect for the humanity of the person seeking help. There is a difference between a genuine organization seeking to help those truly seeking help in getting out, and an organization who simply wants to use religion as a crutch to exploit porn girls’ emotions and take their money and further ruin their lives. I’ll just let the facts prove for themselves which side Shelley Lubben and the Pink Cross Foundation falls under.
Anthony
So Shelley wrote, above, “I’m tired of people changing their minds about us after they have received thousands of dollars worth of help and support.”
Well, then Mrs. Lubben, if you and your “team” are such terrible judges of character, or the worthiness of potential recipients of your “support”, then why in HELL should anyone ever send you any money? I mean, really. If EVERYONE you choose to help eventually turns on you, then aren’t you admitting that you ARE AN ABJECT FAILURE at your mission — which is to save and deliver these young women, and bring them in line with your version of “the Word.”
You’re not only unqualified to help people with addictions or emotional issues, YOU CAN’T EVEN BRING THEM IN LINE WITH GOD’S TEACHINGS. Your program OBVIOUSLY and BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION does not work or does not “stick.” What a disastrous failure you are!
If you can point to no real success stories (people like Jenni and Roger whom Pink Cross has to support in exchange for their servitude are NOT success stories) then why should anyone EVER send you a red cent? I’m just dying to hear your explanation of that one…
poor shelly is “hitting the Pipa” again?? she looks like she’s wasting away! damn!. well guys they are some truth to this right? are u also in”denial”? We have some really FUCKED up people working in this Industry with Alchol and Drug addictions and Mental issues going on, Don’t knock them or play them like fools Give em a hand and help them out. Damn!! that show’s too much immaturity and SELFISHNESS! and people like the Fans out there E-mail and tell me that. They are Watching and they Know who the BIG time Drunks and drug addicts and the Dealers do too! LOL.
@Monica
The problem that I see with your logic is that neither Michael Whiteacre, nor porn producers or pornographers, are ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Shelley is!! If the claims made against her are true, then she will be held more accountable, because she is doing so in the name of Jesus Christ.
Honestly, April, you seem much more fit (anointed) to lead an impactful anti-pornography organization…
April Garris has it exactly right.
Sorry April but I don’t agree. The more I go through life, the more I realize that all people hold equal accountability regardless of who they follow through with their actions in the name of.
Be it in the name of Jesus, Greed, God, the OTO, Satan, etc – if you’re a scammer and ripping off/hurting people then you’re just DOING IT and shouldn’t say “well so an so is worse than me or my friends cause they’re doing it in the name of a socially acceptable religion where as my friends aren’t socially acceptable to begin with so their dirty deeds are more tolerable”.
Give me a break.
Since Lubben is being brought down I hope Type 9, La Direct, ATMLA, the FSC , Galaxy Publicity, AVN, Vivid, Brazzers, etc all have to pay the piper as well. Tons of people within and attached to many business entities and organizations of porn are consistently enabling the drug and drinking problems of many performers and are psychologically hurting them. I want those people called out and stopped.
If you’re gonna take out the “in the name of Jesus” trash – you might as well hose out the whole damn dumpster.
Monica is right on this one.
Society says things done in the lords name make the violation worse…A ATT Exec cheats on his wife, no biggie, but a baptist preacher does and its the end of the world….When you hold yourself up as a representative of higher power, be ready to get judged differently
@ajs – Do you want to know why our country is f’d up? I’ll tell you by way of example.
Last year, in China, an elected official was convicted of breach of the public trust. He had taken some “graft.”
Before he was EXECUTED, he apologized to the members of the public whose trust he had breached.
When we as a people hold nothing sacred; when we have so little self-respect that crimes against us by alleged custodians of our trust are excused, we are LOST. Lost and doomed to be preyed upon by wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Don’t you see the significance of that fairy-tale? A wolf is bad. A wolf pretending to be a sheep is evil.
That’s the difference.
This poor girl is obviously addicted to pills, which makes it all the more easier for Shelley to manipulate her.
@Michael Whiteacre Exceptional speech I guess.