NL- I have a new friend who is sending me lots of interesting info. I don’t know if it is real or fabricated, so I will leave that up to my readers to determine. First is a blow up of the important stuff shown below it.
I’ve taken a lot of crap, as have so many others, I think I am done with diplomacy in this matter. Feel free to send me anything on DL. Thank you.
Its real….I have his address and all that as well as the ip he used when registering the site.
If anyone wants his the address he used so they can sue him email me.
I just wanted to say thanks to both Mike and Cindi for really having our back, going the extra mile to get this information for us. Even if it isn’t said all to often, it really is appreciated.
Payatta, right?
No he used an address in FL to register the domain
from an ip addy in pattaya thailand.
Hmmmmm. Would that be the same one he had his 1099s sent to?
Donny Long is FUCKED!
donaldseoane.com i own this, i need to point it somewhere. what would bother him more, if i pointed it to Marks site, Mikes or his wiki.??
PWL Forum Users Unmasked: http://pastebin.com/aVfGnj2N
Great work Mark! Distilled list:
1. worstnightmare,xxxfilmjobs@hotmail.com = DONNY LONG
2. ILOVEDONNYLONG,INFO@XXXFILMJOBS.COM = DONNY LONG
3. “The Real Donny Long”,donnylong@xxxfilmjobs.com = DONNY LONG
4. Silver_Slugger,medellincartel1@earthlink.net
5. “Porn Wiki Leaks”,hbgyuhguyhu@uhyuvgbyutvgyuvgyu.com
6. HollyWellinFan,arsenalisbest@gmail.com = Todd Wilkins from Albany NY, Facebook is http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000057976177, Proud 1980 graduate of James Massey HS
@Mark Spiegler – Some VERY interesting revelations, and confirmations, in that post.
@jet_tits – There are more Donny emails than that on the list. Plus, many others interesting nuggets there, such as this sequence of gmail.com email addresses:
sao3234 = CokeStevenson
sao3235 = frog
sao3236 = Ballsac
sao3237 = LEAFSFANTV
sao3632 = DL_is_a_God
Also, these users have “Eric Jones” emails:
donnys disciple11
Donnys Disciple
donnys disciple1
There’s an Eric Jones who is 2257 Custodian of Records for Darkline Entertainment (out of Oakland) which is distributed by Pulse Distribution. I’m not accusing anyone, merely wondering if it’s the same Eric Jones. Perhaps someone should inquire.
“Mark Spiegler” is actually (per Facebook) Scott Sanders of Hollywood, CA
Also, loki’s email links to a Facebook profile for “Deborah Knight”, which links to http://www.walpole-group.com/
Another of PWL’s earliest forum registrants is Markus Destin a.k.a. Markus Bestin a.k.a. LukeIsBack poster bahamute.
Here’s his Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/markusdestin
He’s the erstwhile male performer (like Donny, he too is a bitter porn wash-out) who went to work at a Nevada brothel (Shady Lady Ranch) as a “certified gigolo” but reportedly had almost no takers (one published article stated he had “fewer than 10” customers in two months). Nonetheless, Destin has compared himself to Rosa Parks in that he too was “a pioneer” in the sex industry.
In November 2010, he turned up (and commented ad nauseum) at the UCLA Condoms in Porn panel where Shelley Lubben, people from UCLA, and LA County Dept of Public Health (including the author of the “scientifically invalid” porn STI numbers, Dr. Peter Kerndt) and AHF’s Whitney Engeran-Cordova had been invited to appear. Also in attendance were Cal/OSHA staff, Tim Tritch, and the asshole who reportedly later showed up at an adult performer’s home with a phlebotomist (and no warrant) demanding a blood sample. This was a panel that was publicized by very few people but Shelley Lubben, and later by Darrah Ford. Tim Tritch says HE received a flyer for the panel via email, and forwarded it off to Cindi, who posted it here on LIB, but that was pretty much at the last minute. Even AVN and FSC didn’t know about the event until I informed them after reading of it on Lubben’s website.
But there was Destin, hobnobbing with the anti-porn cabal and the fringe dwellers desperately seeking relevance.
More recently, in the wake of AIM’s closure, ol’ Markus tried to bullshit his way into the FSC performers’ meeting at Skirball Center in L.A. (allegedly as a PWL mole) but was turned away.
Is there anyone that still thinks PWL is only about Donny Long’s grudge?
PWL is definitely about more than Donny – he’s just the fall guy.
Look very closely at Mallcom, Lukeford dot com and the background of “Kelli”/Kelly.
Interesting to see some of the PWL contributers get outed… Love you guys!
It looks like most of those accounts are fake/made up email addresses so they can register on there.
Mike I think you are going to have a hard time finding anyone who would want to sue PWL or the people behind it. I’m still wondering what they can sue for? Posting legal names and family member names? Post a pornstar’s real name isn’t illegal and the family members names that got published were for the most part public record (people search engines). I guess extortion is possible but they didn’t ask for $$$ they wanted people to “renounce” certain people in the industry (Derek and Christian), a few have a case for libel.
However, the descriptions on the wiki bio pages as a pornographic whore and hooker isn’t slander or libel for many of them from a legal standpoint. A few performers I have communicated with said they just want it taken down and don’t want to go down the road of a lawsuit for various reasons. No one has the $$$, or time for a lawsuit and one performer told me they want to transition out of the industry soon and wouldn’t want their legal name attached to a lawsuit, simply because they know the porn will follow them around and they don’t want to add to that.
Does the back and forth of posting PWL members identities and PWL releasing porn stars names water down a lawsuit against PWL? If Mercedes Ashley wanted to sue Donny Long, would she have much of a case since she did post his SSN on her website and also posted a fake HIV test similar to the one posted on PWL? Sort of an eye for an eye thing?
As much as Donny gets blamed for it, there are a lot more people involved as far as contributors go. Maybe not as far as the creation and maintaining of the website but the contributions of it. All of the performers I talked to told me they had no doubt a lot of what was posted on their forum came from other current performers, producers, and other industry people and probably more then a few who will say publicly they are against PWL but privately contributed information to that forum.
ccld good thing you aren’t a lawyer. Youd have flunked libel 101 look up “per se libel” and thats just for starters.
I have LOTS of people now inline to sue donny, and they will win, donny doesnt really have anything to speak of but what he does have can be taken in a civil forfeiture.
read into that what you will.
Didn’t Spiegs, or maybe it was you. Anyhoo, one of ya said something about them being criminially negligent. If that’s the case and they’re being investigated criminally, then why all the hubalubub about hacking email addresses, getting user names, etc? Was the criminal thing all you guys trying to scare Donni and clan and nothing more? Please tell me you didn’t totally make that shit up. Actually, I take that back. If you did make it up, let the cat out of the bag now. I’m sure there are people who want to take action on their own but they’re not because they’re thinking that the feds are working on it due to what you ro Spiegs said. Let them know now so they can do what they gotta do.
Here’s the legal definition Mike
libel per se
n. broadcast or written publication of a false statement about another which accuses him/her of a crime, immoral acts, inability to perform his/her profession, having a loathsome disease (like syphilis) or dishonesty in business. Such claims are considered so obviously harmful that malice need not be proved to obtain a judgment for “general damages,” and not just specific losses.
Some of it you probably could sue for but here are some of the problems. Calling a porn performer who also escorts a pornographic whore and hooker isn’t libel per se. Saying someone has HIV is. The majority of the ones that were linked with HIV are crossovers, but right now you aren’t going to find too many of the crossover guys who are willing to sue. Mainly because they don’t want their gay porn publicized anymore then it already has been. Again, performers that I have been in contact with say they just want it taken down, they don’t want to testify under oath under their legal name that they had sex for $$$. One told me if PWL had existed at the time they got into the industry they would have never gotten involved.
And yes Mike, $$$ is an issue. Most of them don’t have it. There is a reason Nik Richie gets away with what he does on Thedirty.com, many of the comments that are written on there are just as vicious and ugly as what is written on PWL, with the difference being that the people being roasted on there are private citizens. Dan Quayle’s son Ben, who is now a freshman congressman from Arizona helped set up that website.
@Chichiladouche — There exists an excellent libel claim for the many non-performers on that site whose only crime was having been tested at AIM. Imagine applying for a job and PWL comes up on a Google search.
There are other claims too — such as the tort of False Light Publicity (in many states):
A publication by the Defendant about the Plaintiff;
made with actual malice;
which places the Plaintiff in a false light; AND
that would be highly offensive (i.e., embarrassing to reasonable persons)
In addition, as I understand it, the site has also published (at some point) actual “Mickey Mouse” ID photos of performers, and/or personal info likely derived from 2257 documentation.
Performers would have a civil cause of action against someone who misused information that was provided for a specific purpose (2557 record keeping in accordance with Federal law, as well as proof of consent/release/waiver of liability vis a vis the performance for which they were paid).
As for criminal liability, one only has to look at PWLs apparent attainment and use of private medical data from the AIM database.
Michael wouldn’t they have to publish actual medical records for your last point to become an issue? Also at this point who would be sued, AIM for irresponsibility or PWL? As far as I know, Desi and Elli are suing AIM and not the blog where someone posted their AIM results. Or if some of the a performer was able to trace a leaked 2257 to a specific studio or company, wouldn’t a performer who may want actual punitive damages go after the company that didn’t guard their 2257 forms? Sort of like when a FedEx truck hits someone, they go after FedEx and not the driver because they will get much more $$$.
I guess the same can be said for the Nik Richie site Michael. People get accused of having all kinds of STD’s, being a slut, cheating on their spouses etc, and little has been done. A few lawsuits but the site is still going. A similar site that was around called JuicyCampus did the same things with college students.
Like I wrote before the performers I talked to said they want it gone but don’t want to sue because of the issues that may arise if they do. It’s a double edged sword.
ccld
you are wrong on just about every point…for instance:
Calling a porn performer who also escorts a pornographic whore and hooker isn’t libel per se.
of course it is….calling someone a prostitute is libel per se unless they have been charged or convicted of that crime. EVEN if they are a prostitute.
try again.
@chichiladouche – Here’s an article that I hope you’ll find informative:
http://privacyblog.littler.com/2010/06/articles/hipaa-1/jail-time-for-physicians-hipaa-violation-highlights-need-to-redouble-compliance-efforts/
There also exist “improper use / unauthorized access of a computer” statutes, by the way, which are often used in computer-related privacy cases.
But let’s not forget conspiracy — conspiracy to do WHAT, exactly, would have to be developed from the evidence — but it seems obvious that the AIM database information was stolen, misappropriated or hacked. It was then apparently utilized for a commercial purpose. And, in many instances, libelously (and maliciously so).
Yes, AIM could be liable if AIM were indeed negligent or worse (although AIM no longer exists).
There are MANY possible constructions of this multifaceted case — which ones are appropriate would have to be decided once the evidence comes in.
Sure, it’s unlikely that performers would sue on their own — although many might join a class action suit. I posit that the PWL folks anticipated this reluctance, but they left a fall guy or two just in case.
As for the performers who “want it gone but don’t want to sue because of the issues that may arise if they do” well, that’s a great place for a company along the lines of 2257Safe (or an enterprising attorney for wronged/disgruntled porn stars who can write a DMCA notice) to come in, isn’t it? We need to look at PWL not only in the light of the harm it did, but also by examining who might benefit from these disclosures. Crimes can create market opportunities for the unscrupulous.
You write: “wouldn’t they have to publish actual medical records for your last point to become an issue? Also at this point who would be sued, AIM for irresponsibility or PWL? As far as I know, Desi and Elli are suing AIM and not the blog where someone posted their AIM results.”
You answered your own question. They’re suing the alleged source (AIM), not the website (apparently). That’s because the source and the site are not one and the same and, I assume, there was no evidence of conspiracy. Also, it was a blog upon which people other than the site owners posted content.
The difference between PWL and the other sites you mentioned (JuicyCampus, etc…) is that PWL apparently utilized data from a private medical database, not a campus directory or a police blotter or other info available online. PWL uses what is allegedly and apparently misappropriated data.
As for the guarding of 2257 forms, thanks to federal law, the info is required to be disseminated to various legitimate sources by the producer. It would the be link in the chain that would be liable for its own negligence (or worse), not the original owner who WAS REQUIRED to disseminate the information by law (unless the owner had reason to think the later party would use it improperly). But yes, should it turn out that some producer was improperly providing that information to PWL (or anyone who late turned it over to PWL) that producer would be liable.
I predict in the next 14 days you will see the first suit against PWL..Im sure of it…
“of course it is….calling someone a prostitute is libel per se unless they have been charged or convicted of that crime. EVEN if they are a prostitute.”
Mike the escort that George Rekers got off of rentboy was almost immediately identified in the press as a prostitute. Should he have sued all of the media outlets for referring to him as a prostitute? Remember Jeff Gannon, the White House reporter who had been a gay escort? He was identified in the media as a prostitute, so was Elliot Spitzer’s hooker. None of them were ever convicted of being prostitutes, yet identified as such in the press.
@Michael Whiteacre, the key is whether or not they did use it (I’m sure their source got the info from AIM) but at the same time they may have not directly gotten from AIM’s database (obtaining a password and gathering up the information or breaking into the system). I think the problem there is that so many people had AIM passwords and so many people shared passwords that a definite source might be impossible to find. A lot of the “database” has misspelled names and looks like they were copied and pasted from a text document. What I find interesting too is that there are a number of performers whose names don’t have entries, some of whom are big names who work (and tested with AIM) quite regularly. I don’t think there was a breech in their system like the one that happened with Citi Financial. Metaphorically speaking, perhaps in this respect, AIM hung themselves with their own ropes.
Am I correct in thinking that where you see the big legal issue is the misuse of the database and not the actual posting of a performer’s real name is that correct? I mean, there are more then a few performer’s real names that pop up on IMDB and other search engines. I guess if that was the only argument it could be counteracted with the fact that they are public figures. Ann Coulter, Michele Malkin, and Matt Drudge printed the names, phone numbers and addresses of other syndicated commentators they disagreed with and none of them got in trouble for it legally.
There wasn’t a campus directly or blotter that JuicyCampus got its info from. It was basically just random gossip that people from various campuses around the country posted. It was along the lines of “Is Jan Smith the biggest whore at USC” and people would just pile on and add to it. It was beyond destructive.
To me one of the biggest ironies in all of this mess is that a lot of the parties involved are on the same page about some of the big issues that have been industry hot button topics (the use of crossovers, Derek Hay, etc…). To me Donny Long has been a non entity in porn for years, but there are people in the industry that are still, for a lack of a better word “players” that have the same issues with certain performers and talent agency, but those issues will get pushed aside or shoved under the carpet. Those are very serious issues and it’s a shame that they are being overshadowed by PWL. One of them, may end being a big factor in the overhauling of the porn industry (the condom issue).
@chichiladouche – I don’t think anyone believes the AIM data came from someone who had a producer password to the database. This was aparently the whole database.
If the database were an old copy — or an old back-up — many names with which you’d be familiar would not be included. The question is, who had sufficient knowledge of, and access to it?
Yes, the posting of a performer’s legal name is not the biggest issue — the misuse of the database would appear to be, followed by the posting of other personal info. However, the abuse of trust and violation of contract caused by a producer misusing the information with which he has been entrusted is also significant.
Yes, in my opinion, PWL became a tool of people who wanted an overhaul of the industry. This is a tale of strange bedfellows.
Oh, and, “Is Jan Smith the biggest whore at USC” is not so much libelous as just plain rude.
Does Donny Long owe back taxes?
http://www.mikesouth.com/uncategorized/donny-longs-llc-suspended-5139/
I was called a prostitute (I DON’T ESCORT – NEVER – I did porn!) and said to have HIV – I had to post my test.
Lucky for me my hubby is a lawyer….
“…calling someone a prostitute is libel per se unless they have been charged or convicted of that crime. EVEN if they are a prostitute.”
Not to split hairs here but when it comes to libel, the truth is an absolute defense. Having sex for money is commonly held to be prostitution, whether a camera is recording it or not. The term is not exclusive to street walking, hooking, or escorting, so wasting efforts focusing on that aspect of this matter would prove fruitless. Better to concentrate on invasion of privacy, disclosure of medical records, or a half dozen other things than that.
@chichiladouche & @houstondon – “Whore” can be a general, subjective term (like slut), as in “Is Jan Smith the biggest whore at USC?”. “Escort” does not necessarily denote illegal prostitution, for it is possible for one to be a legal, non-sexual escort. However, calling someone a “hooker” or a “prostitute” is a different matter.
Even a legal prostitute at a ranch in Nevada IS a prostitute, just not a criminal.
The facts are, that Donny Long is breaking a series of laws. People keep focussing on the simple. At the end of the day, Donny illegally accessed a medical database and then posted information contained there. This is a fact. There are numerous federal hacking laws that he has broken.
Second, he is breaking privacy laws. If you go to Radaris, 123people.com, or any series of web sites which divulge personal information, they all have the ability to opt out. Why? Because that is the law. It is required for them to stay in business.
Third, harassment. Donny is harassing these people. He is intentionally attempting to ruin people like he has been ruined. There are now laws against harassment on the Internet. It doesn’t matter that his server is off shore. It also sounds like Felosi is involved and that isn’t going to go well for him either.
Fourth, Libel/Slander. This is a big deal… Especially if Felosi is involved. At best, it would make it impossible for Donny to ever own real estate again, and would result in a permanent garnishment of wages. It’s a slam dunk case. The others, well you could certainly make some money off of them.
Fifth, I think there have been cases of extortion going on. In fact, I know of multiple cases. This will just be combined with the other criminal counts.
Sixth, I have reliable reason to believe, and an excellent source that Donny is defrauding the IRS. You want a monkey on your back? There is none worse than the IRS. See how far you get with no drivers license. See what happens if you leave the country and try to get back to see your dead or dying family members.
Keep in mind, every single single person affected is a “count”. Legally, in terms of criminally, they combine counts in order to affect the best plea bargain. If it goes to trial, Donny cannot afford good counsel and he will go to prison. It’s not a joke or a game. He is a terrorist, using the tactics of terrorists. However, his failed logic is that he is a United States citizen and regardless of where he puts a server, he is still bound by our laws. If people really care about this, then report Donny to the IRS. Report Donny to the FBI for hacking, harassment, and privacy violations. I promise you Felosi doesn’t want IRS in his business, and now that he is implicated, that is a soft spot for this site.
The guy – Donny – is sick. He has been having conversations with himself on his board and agreeing and/or disagreeing.
Michael, I agree with everything you just wrote except the implication that “prostitute” is somehow subject to different treatment. As it stands, there are only a handful of places in the USA where shooting porn scenes is proven to be legal and all but two counties in Nevada consider prostitution to be legal; the terms involved always subject to personal interpretation but for the purposes of a libel/slander suit, splitting hairs typically won’t cut it.
Each of the three terms I mentioned previously have different connotations, and for some folks different degrees of social acceptability, but legally speaking if someone has sex for money, I just don’t see a libel suit working in most cases for calling a person that engages in such activity the generic term of prostitute. All of them should be legal and not the concern of the media obsessed. Now if the person is calling the other a “criminal”, they open a whole new avenue for attack…
@Houstondon – Technically speaking you have a very good point — indeed there are jurisdictions that have not had the opportunity to rule on pornographic performance vs. prostitution, even though many have favorably cited the reasoning of California’s Freeman decision.
Most attorneys will tell you up front that a libel/defanation lawsuit will cost you in the 50k range minimum….and if there are no assets to go after how many people on this board are willing to pay out that kind of money just to prove a point?
That’s what made Donkey the perfect fall guy: as Mr Spiegler reminds us, Donny is judgement proof.
Also in a libel/defamation lawsuit you have to be able to prove what was said about you would cause damage to your reputation… And along with that you have to be able to prove what that damage to your reputaion would cost you monetarily. (Actual damages) Calling a sex worker a whore or a prostitute would do little to influence provable loss of income or damage to reputation. Libel suits are among the most difficult… That’s why they cost so much.
Here’s the point you guys are not seeing. You don’t have to win the lawsuit. You just have to file. Plus it’s the little things that need to b done. His ” I’ll kill u u nI##er lover ” is enough in my county for terrostic threat. No biggie. It’s a misdemeanor , but it’s a charagable offense and bond would need to be posted. . In my county you can’t defend charges without appearing in person…and all court dates are public…. If everyone that he’s threatened made a report at some point there local DA will file at large. And at some point it will catch up to him. Maybe not next week. But some point. Could you see the look on Donnys face when he walks out of jail wondering who posted his bond and sees me waiting. Yes sir. Early christmass for me
Think of Donny as a low rent retarded version of Al Capone. In the end it wasn’t some murder case or conspiracy. It was taxes. The donkey will fall and his mouth will be the reason.
Sean, while internet law is very, very slowly working its way through the legal system, certain issues routinely arise when it comes to criminal prosecutions. One of the biggies is proving who actually sent a message, not just using an IP address to “prove” where it came from.
If you live in a county where that alone is sufficient proof to arrest someone and charge them with a crime, you might want to move. It might well be enough to start/further an investigation but my limited experiences with the cops tells me that such allegations are a waste of time absent substantially more.
That is why civil actions tend to yield better results, if for no other purpose to make their life miserable. The burden of proof is so much lower and doesn’t rely so heavily on outsiders (DA, cops), not to mention that filing is pretty cheap. 😉
Its interesting to see people here who have no concept of legal issues adding opinions…but it happens everywhere.
Heres the point, as Sean said all you have to do is file, Donny ain’t gonna show, you get a default judgement, THEN the fun begins.
I don’t recall ever seeing you earn a law degree hillbilly… 🙂
Mike, a default judgement for what? You still have to prove damages…
I’ve dealt with a libel/defamation suit before, its not like small claims where you file and just get a judgement if the guy doesn’t show. Maybe you should pick up the phone and ask an attorney what it will cost you to file something like this. Not to mention a civil suit like this will take close to a year to make it in front of a judge. ( In California) Civil lawsuits are costly…
Lol I can hear the phone call now to the attorney…
” This is never going to go to trial, this guy will never show up, I just want to file a frivolous lawsuit against a guy who has no assets to go after”
The attorney would never bother with it unless he could charge you with tons of billable hours to make it worth his time.
houston don I have a degree in polysci and MANY law classes.
roman per se libel doesnt bear the burden of malice or damage. and if the defendant doesn’t show in court its a default judgement for the plaintiff, please educate yourself before trying to debate this with me.
it costs 39 bucks to file it yourself in federal court.
Mike with all due respect… Educate yourself. Do you think a federal judge is looking at libel cases filed where there are no damages? Waste of the courts time… Next.
WOW..listen to u guys..your thinking to hard..im not gonna get into specifics, but i can prove damages..as for getting anything..i only want 2 things and neither is money…as for the threat…one of Donnys threats came from his xxxfilms site, in his name on a email hes used 1000s of times…..And i really dont care about all of that…
Like Mike said, If donny doesn’t show, default..i win, now to collect, i go after his assets..whats the one thing Donny brags about everyday, the only thing hes has that turns any profit….
This is really simple actually ..
as for bullshyt federal suits, 1000s are filed everyday by inmates in state an federal lockup..they have no merit, but get reviewed and some heard..
With everything we have, i can get heard in state court for sure, and most likely fed court if i choose that route
either way in the end donny and the others wont show.
Mike, by all means we can compare our college transcripts at the next show we both attend, first pitcher is on me. I believe he is right when it comes to federal judges though, most of them seem to have short fuses when it comes to frivolous actions these days.
That isn’t the point at all houstondon… Mike said that in a libel per se lawsuit proving damages was irrelevant… If that’s so why would a judge ( state or federal) ever waste the time to look at it?
If you wanted to prove damages and really bring a lawsuit in this case… Its going to cost you a lot of money, plain and simple. It would be nice if someone could go out a buy a copy of lawsuits for dummies and do it themselves as Mike suggests… But that not realistic and Mike knows it.
Well if someone does escort, wouldn’t be hard to prove libel if you are referred to as a hooker? I mean someone could easily go to The Erotic Review, and a number of other sites and gather info about someone who is an escort. XPT refers to female performers as whores as well, are they in danger of being sued?
Michael, the “libelous”, and I put that in quotes because the things posted could have very well been true part of Juicy Campus were when people piled on after someone made the initial comment. Things like “I saw her blowing 5 guys at the Sigma Chi house” or “she’s had 3 abortions” would definitely fall under that that umbrella. The website was never sued but closed when they couldn’t get anyone to advertise on there.
Exodus most of that information on people finder websites they get from public information (phone books, court and property records, etc…), how would that be breaking a privacy law, if all of the information is readily available to the general public?
One thing I have seen on Facebook and I’m baffled as to why some of them do it but some porn stars will have their own page under their porn name and you will see a number of performers who friended them under their real name as fans or friends.
I’m still wondering if the names, phone numbers, and addresses, of abortion doctors, their family members, friends, employees, and even friends and family members of employees can’t be removed from the internet, how can a adult performer have their name taken off the internet?
Since my last comment is in moderation I’ll add to it. Maybe this will make more sense. Let’s pretend I’m suing cindi for moderating me. In bexar county I file the suit in district clerks office. It’s assigned a case number and a court room. Now that u have q case number I request process It could be for the custodian of records for mall com. My attorney requests any an all records related to cindis affiliate account. They will have to b deposed. 99 percent of the time instead of showing for depo they give up the info. And mind u this is all before anyone sees a court room, worst case my suit is tossed at first setting. But how much info did I come up with before it does. I get tossed. But turn all my info over to Mark felt an his people file another suit in another district only this time there better prepRed. But in the end it won’t matter since Donny won’t sho. This isn’t about money. This is about the end of PWL And attorneys only cost money when they charge u.
all i will say is take a class in civil law
Im not going to argue this here specially with pwl posters trying to justify what they are doing.
There are those that are arguing it here and those that are doing it…Im helping the later.
@chichiladouche – You raise good issues, but with regard to escort reviews on TER, those are 1) hearsay, and 2) are offered “as fiction” and for “entertainment purposes” if my memory of the disclaimer is accurate. Of course many if not most are true or have a basis in truth, but they are not exactly sworn depositions. Furthermore, I have a feeling that if any reviewers were subpoenaed, they’d agree that they made it all up for entertainment purposes.
Then again Michael a lot of escorts post on that forum and leave cell phone number and contact information as well as putting up pages on a number of escort sites. I agree with Don and Roman that it’s splitting hairs if you are going to sue, there are a few other things that you might have a better shot a winning on then being called a “pornographic whore and hooker”.
I hire lawyers so I don’t have to take a civil law class… And all I will say is I’ve got 1k that a year from now Mike hasn’t done anything to file a lawsuit against pwl… (Not a real lawsuit anyway) And to tell the thruth I could give 2 s*#ts about porn wiki leaks or who runs it…
Lets Piss Off Donald Carlos Seoane Some More: http://www.mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/lets-piss-off-donald-carlos-seoane-some-more-5161/
hey roman, ill take your bet, and ill go another thousand that its filed in the next 8 days…You get your money and we can both send it to Michael Whiteacre, if i dont get him a file stamped copy dated on or before July 1st he sends you the money..
DEAL??????
gee roman what happened? did yer punk ass alligator mouth overload yer hummingbird ass?
Donny Long is BROKE and a racist. Read his own words/e-mail here: http://imageshack.us/f/221/anemailfromdonnylongto.jpg/
Donny can’t even afford to go out anymore. Boo Hoo!
Has anyone tried to talk to any of Derek’s ex-employees?
How about any of Joel’s ex-employees?
Donald seems to be having a tweaked-out net meltdown today. I wonder what pushed him over the edge? Is he having problems with his boyfriend Seth Dickins again?
His brain is as loose as his ass, jet_tits.
When is Donny NOT having a tweaked-out meltdown?
Some weekends are tweakier than others. This would be one of them.
I’d recommend he blow his brains out except he doesn’t have any.
Links please? It’s a Saturday night and I need to be entertained. LOL