NL- Thanks so much for this Jenn.
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Shelley, Please don’t flatter yourself by taking the credit for AIM closing. This isn’t gods work. God loves unconditionally, porn stars and all. Maybe you should take pointers from Harmony at treasures. She doesn’t go around judging people for their choices. She wants to help people who need help. You claim that all these STD’s are in the adult industry and the statistics show it, but do you count the non-talent in that? How about the people that tested too soon after taking the meds? Oh and I love this one. “There was 29 HIV positives in the industry.” HELLO NOT EVERYONE IS TALENT THAT TEST THERE…
Shelley peoples lives’ are on the line here. People lost their jobs. Sure, you can give “free hiv testing” but those are Elisa test. Sure promote condoms, but remember condoms are only a barrier of protection. Kind of like a “Fig leaf” as AHF calls AIM. Remember this Shelley condoms break. You’re a sister in Christ and what you’re doing is wrong. You keep judging, give false teaching, ect… and it’s not very Christian like. At first I thought it was cool that the industry had a Christian faith place for the girls to go to. Once I started reading more about you I developed acid reflex. Needles to say, I was disappointed. I use to think that if Jesus was walking this earth right now he would walk right into AIM to love and teach the patients. Now, I think he would walk into your office to teach you a thing or two. I’m truly sorry that you were in pain and became a drug addict while you were in the industry. However, it does say in the bible we have our own free will. You could have chosen not to test, not to show up, or just said NO! Like the old saying goes “if you can’t make it in porn, you go against it”.
Mike South, boy do I have a lot to say to you. You were right AIM closed down. However, the staff at AIM were not idiots, well maybe upper management was. The staff at AIM went above and beyond the call of duty. You see, when you’re in the medical field you have to develop a hard heart. You can’t get emotionally involved with the patients. I quickly fell in love with so many people that would come in. Not just in the porn industry but with civilians also. We did care. It wasn’t about money or what they can do for us. We were extended family in a sense.
Paul was like a brother or best friend. You would see him and just want to jib jab for hours. Trust me he got into trouble for it also. Spending too much time on one person. Listening to them tell about their week, month or the exciting news that they are working because work is far and few between or when someone needed a ride home. How about the civilian who is scared because, they had a drunken one night stand.
Then you have Bobi who was more like a mother then an AIM employee. When she was in the other office people would just come in to talk even when their test wasn’t due. She opened her home up for people who needed a place to stay because there was no where else to go. Staying up all night because, some of the girls needed a mother to talk to.
I hope that one day someone will let you know Mike that not all of AIM was bad.
Working at AIM wasn’t really work. We had so many laughs there. We have so many stories. I’m sad the way we ended and I will really miss working there. Thank you everyone who brought joy to my life each and everyday.
why to avoid the subject of PWL, dummy
This was a good piece. That’s another thing that made me sick about good ol’ Saint Lubben. Cheering at the loss of jobs and livelihoods. Some more of that good ol’ Christian love she preaches.
Christian love only applies to Shelley, her family, and close associates. Everyone else can fuck off and die.
@Jenny – Thank you for this informative and heartfelt Op/Ed. Bless you for your efforts at AIM, and for sharing your thoughts here.
I would only like to correct one point: Shelley Lubben did NOT become an addict while she was in the adult industry. Shelley’s “drinking problem” began at age 16 (in 1984), the same age at which she began “using” drugs. She became a full-blown drug addict a few years later. She did not shoot a porn scene until 1993, (when she 25) and already a burned-out meth-addicted hooker looking to make easy money in a business that was “safer and more legal than prostitution.” By 1994 she has washed out of porn.
Of course, AIM, as you know, did not even exist back then.
telling the world that Ms. Lubben has direct ‘conversations’ with God is in of itself False Testamemt’…
While I’ve heard thay AIM wasn’t perfect, at least they were dealing with the realities of the world and doing what they could to help. Ms. Lubben’s goal is to help herself and no one else. The only evil I see having to do with this industry is Ms. Lubben’s self-gratifiying obsession with her own egotistical agenda and that does FAR more harm…
@Michael Whiteacre thanks for the correction. The way she blames AIM for so much I just figured she went there.
@Jenny – Shelley blames EVERYONE else for SO MUCH — Shelley’s never been to blame. Not for becoming an addict, not for becoming a hooker, not for drinking while she was pregnant, not for taking drugs while she was pregnant, not for allowing her school-age daughter to be molested by one of her prostitution clients. . . . It’s all the fault of her parents, Satan, the strangers on the street who didn’t reach out to help her, the churches who refuse to set up Pink Cross mission funds, and of course the “mentally ill, physically diseased and drug-infested” slaves of Satan working in the adult film industry.
The main reason AIM came into her crosshairs is because it provided her a way to cozy up to the scumbags at AHF, UCLA, et al.
Wow, look at how Whitacre ass kisses AIM. As if the uneducated lifelong con artist Sharon Mitchell isn’t a bigger fraud than Lubben. Lubben is an amateur compared to Mitchell.
Whitacre, have you heard any pillow talk from Joanne about how the FSC is going to take care of Mitchell? Is she going to be the sex health expert on the new board? Is she going to get to head up the new unlawful pseudo-union controlled by management?
@Menachem I had that thought when they asked for all our procedures. But to take care of Mitch and have her as an expert that is ridiculous. Yes she started something great. But ended it badly. Sorry to talk bad but when we were layed off all we got was a thank you. No paycheck for the weeks worked let alone our vacations. I’m a little sick over it. Sorry to be so bitter. At least i was able to help a few people. Thats the only good thing that came out of it. Please give Michael a break he’s not so far off.
@Rabbi Schneerson – How is it exactly that I was ass-kissing AIM in this thread when I wrote nothing in favor of it? I only mentioned AIM twice: to thank JENNY for her efforts there, and to expound upon how it personally benefitted Mrs. Lubben to target the clinic.
Say what you will about Sharon Mitchell, but AIM (imperfect as it was) helped a lot more people than Pink Cross ever has or ever will.
As for FSC, I’ve received no information about its health and safety efforts beyond what has been disclosed publicly. I know it is surprising to some of you a-holes, but some people involved in the adult industry actually have ethics. Some people in the industry just want to do a good job, and enter their house justified. Some people, like Shelley Lubben, just want to give themselves a 50% pay raise while showing no corresponding improvement in results (by my count, more ex-performers ran away from Pink Cross last year than were “saved”).
And some, like you, just like to launch carping, insulting attacks while hiding, faceless, behind aliases. Sometimes, several aliases.
Sooo your big point about Lubben is that she abuses tax emempt status and rewards herself too generously for your taste (with her pretty pathetic salary)? You could say the same about every church and tax exempt faith based entity in the country. Golly, what shrewd and cutting insight you have.
How about AIM’s tax exempt status all those years? I’d wager Mitchell was paid at least 4 times what Lubben made and that she’s squirreled away quite a bit under the radar. They’re both just uneducated hustlers who moved on to a new con when they hit middle age. At least Lubben might believe her own con. Mitch knows she’s still a gunslinger
Gee Jenny Im sure you are all wonderful and caring people, and I see how someone entrusting their lives to you would want someone who actually cares over someone with say a FUCKING MEDICAL DEGREE.
But it’s good that they know that if they die because AIM was such a failure that at least you all cared.
Let me ask you Jenny Did you ever “care” enough to ask any of our superiors why you use substandard HIV testing? Or why you dont test for hep or hpv or herpes?
Did you ever “Care” enough to ask why Derek Burts was told to leave town, change his phone number and disappear by AIM?
Did you “care” enough to ask performers why they would work when they knew they had herpes or hpv outbreaks or even worse…MRSA?
Yes Im sure my friend who lived for years thinking she had HEP C because phony “Dr Mitch” told her she did, only to find out she NEVER had it…but I’m sure it meant a lot to her to know you “cared”
And you question why I think you are a bunch of fucking MORONS? HELLO read your fucking post
/soapbox
@Menachem – Lubben’s apparent abuse of her non-profit organization is only a small part of a much larger picture. For the fuller picture of the sins of Shelley Lubben, you should visit http://www.thedevilandshelleylubben.com
Also, it’s not that Lubben’s salary figure is too generous (although what you call “her pretty pathetic salary” is roughly what the head of the Salvation Army rakes in annually, last time I checked), it’s that, AS A PERCENTAGE of what her organization takes in, and as a function of her success rate (as well as the percentage that actually goes to the stated mission) it’s excessive.
In 2009, her salary was approximately 39.5% of all cash donations made to Pink Cross. That figure does not include her travel, hotels, meals and incidentals paid for by Pink Cross. She also lists questionable offices expenses on the returns, seeing as her office is a cubbyhole at her house in Bakersfield. She also (as of her 2009 return — the most recent one posted, despite the fact that it’s now Q2 of 2011) makes no accounting for non-cash donations — which she solicits on her website and elsewhere.
Finally, your argument about the relative sins of Lubben and Mitchell is specious. Imagine a lawyer going into court and telling the judge, “Your Honor, there are hundreds of people just as guilty as my client — or even more guilty. Why pick on him?” I never said Lubben was the world’s biggest fraud. But a fraud and a liar (and a blasphemer) she is.
@Mike – You know DAMN well that most clinic administrators — even of Planned Parenthood clinics — are NOT medical doctors. Sharon Mitchell did Not provide medical treatment within the legal definition.
Mike, name ONE person who has died because of AIM.
How do you KNOW what Derrick Burts was told? Because he says so now that he’s in the loving arms of AHF?
Mike, you’re not a fool. Wake up, man. Set your hatred of Sharon Mitchell aside for a second and think about what you’re writing. We all know AIM was not perfect, and we all know about Mitch’s foibles. Let it go – -AIM is dead. As dead as the papal penis.
I’m using the argument on YOU, not on a judge in a court. What else is Lubben going to spend money on? She’s a one person operation, you dunce. If you have a problem with tax exempt scam outfits like AIM or so-called faith based groups gaming the system, write your fucking congressman. Why do you – an FSC tool (both literally and figuratively)- focus on small potatoes Lubben? You don’t have to answer – lol
@Schneerson — Ahh, you just put your finger on another of Lubben’s problems: her 501(c)(3) corporation with non-profit tax status may in fact be too “closely held” with too much control residing in two officers who just so happen to be husband and wife.
You ask, “What else is Lubben going to spend money on?” How about the goal outlined in Pink Cross’ mission statement? That would be a nice start. However, that is NOT where the money is going — as the posted tax returns clearly demonstrate.
Your attempt to dismiss my analogy is nearly as pathetic and hilarious as your attempt to label me as a pawn of FSC. I’ve never received one cent from FSC, nor have they ever offered me anything, or even attempted to induce me to do anything. I don’t take marching orders from any-fucking-body — you get that? I don’t play well with the other children.
And, in the future, kindly refrain from giving me advice on what I should do in this free country. Why don’t YOU write your congressman, and fuck right off while you’re at it.
Cordially,
MW
Whitacre, I have an idea for your next project. Find out who the biggest critics NAMBLA are and then go dig in their garbage to see if you can bust them for not recycling. I’m sure NAMBLA will throw you a few bones.
I own you almost as much as FSC
@Schneerson — I have a better idea: why don’t YOU start learning how to use prepositions.
Weak! I haven’t seen someone so desperate to change the subject since I asked Dr Mitch to show me her academic transcripts
@Schneerson — What subject was it that you raised, but I changed? I must’ve missed it.
When and why was it, exactly, that you asked Sharon Mitchell to show you her transcripts? I’m sure we’d all like to hear that story.
I have to say, this is a marvelous day! When I woke up this morning I thought, “Gosh, I wish LIB had more asshole posters who don’t understand analogies, endlessly repeat (but do not back up) ridiculous claims, toss around insults and accusations, and refuse to answer reasonable questions.” And look! My wish came true.
Mr. Schneerson,
Please go schneer somewhere else.
You’re probably some big-nosed, dwarfish troll from underground who’s dissing short people and people with big noses.
@Mikael, still waiting for that independent review. YAWN. Or should I say imaginary review?
Analogy, Michael Whiteacre is to film makers as Jeremy Steele is to porn performers. Both statisticly insignificant.
What’s your significance, “Joe Know”?… as an anonymous coward troll known for choosing one of the dumbest screen names in web-trolling history? You still never answered this simple question: Why did you pick the name “Joe Know” in the first place? Did you not know it should read “knows” (pretending that your name is Joe and that you know things)? Inquiring minds would really like to know, “Joe”.
I will slay all keyboard warriors! I don’t hide. You do. I win! … duh!
Jeremy, I happen to know that Joe Know is none other than Steve Tuck, your anal lover from “My Own Private Gloryhole”. He’s mad as hell about those anal herpes you gave him and biding his time for the perfect moment…..
Oh, that’s cute, Menachem… You know what you’re named after?… that spitting sound Jews make while they’re talking to each … and the next time I wipe my ass or leave skidmarks, I’ll be sure to call it a “schneer”, after you, too.
Shalomy, homey!
are you still in touch with Steve?
Yeah, we have phone sex every night, using live hamsters.
Next question?…
Jeremy,
The ethnic slurs are pretty ugly, even from a midget. We all know you have serious self esteem problems related to your lack of physical stature, but to resort to these types of ethnic slurs here is pretty low, even for you.(for the record, I am not Jewish, not that there is anything wrong with that)
@Michael, what do you think of Jeremy’s ethnic slurs? Or is that to complicated for you to answer too?LOL
Joe Bologna, you still haven’t answered my question. And you’re the one who keeps bringing up height as an issue. You’re the one who has an issue with it, not I, dummy!
Ethnic slurs. Uhuh. You can’t make a joke about certain people or things otherwise they’re an ethnic slur. You don’t know me and you don’t know yourself, “joe know”. If you did know, you’d shut the hell up and disappear.
You viciously insult me… but there’s lot of short people who are good people, you stupid hypocrite. I can only compare your sociopathic stupidity to Donkey Long, Roy Garcia, Tara, Darrah or Sophia Mounds.
I’m sorry, Darrah. I didn’t mean to include you in the sociopath category, just the stupid one.
Jeremy -people only comment on your height because you’re obviously in exteme denial about it. You talk about beating up normal sized men, which couldn’t happen. In your “why I have anal sex with men” essay you make it seem like everyone one stares at you when you enter a room because they all want to fuck you. Did it ever occur to you that they might be staring because you’re abnormally short for an adult male?
There’s a guy from NY who’s my height who one time beat the amazing, much taller George St. Pierre, and that was under restrictive rules and regulations. On the street “there are no rules” (Which btw, was the original motto for UFC when it first started- even though it had about 3 rules). I’ll even let Roy know right now what I’m going for… whatever will put him down. If I’m too short for fatso, I’m taking him down by breaking his nuts or knees, moving faster, putting his eye out, smashing his addams apple, boxing his ears, smashing his nose when he lunges at me. I’m no Bruce Lee, as is nobody, but he was only 5’7″ and people always tried to take him on and lost. And even if that fat piece of evil shit was a bull, I’ll be a fuckin’ matador! Please stop hurting my feelings… oh yeah, you’re not… so keep it coming. This is great for LIB traffic. Cindi loves you for it.
@Joe – How is it that you call a study “imaginary” when in another thread you claim to know all about it and even how it was done? Oh that’s right, you’re a lying bullshitter who refuses to either put up OR shut up.
It’s also hilarious that you, a truly insignificant anonymous troll, call someone who currently has three movies on Pay TV (HBO, Cinemax, Showtime & The Movie Channel) and cable VOD a “statistically insignificant” filmmaker. By way of example, my directorial debut, from 2004, had 9 million views on its first run alone — and it’s back on TV again, finishing another two-year run. I’m laughing all the way to the bank, Joey. As for the first two episodes of my Lubben doc, they each have more views (on YouTube — prior to Lubben false-flagging them — and on my own site) than any TWO of Lubben’s own videos released during the same timeframe. They’d undoubtedly have more if there were still any “statistically significant” component of the general public who cared enough about Shelley Lubben to actually enter her name into a search engine.
Wow, so you’ve convinced yourself that You Tube clips are like films that people see in theatres or watch on tv? Interesting. But I guess you could be a significant filmmaker based on “Busty Cops” alone. By the way, the decision to have the busty cops use their fingers as guns instead of using props was genius. Fellini-esque. They’ll be studying that device in film schools alongside Welles’ use of shadows in “Kane”.
@Schneerson – I didn’t direct that scene in the Busty Cops movie to which you refer. That was the producers’ choice; it was their money. However, the fact that you’ve seen it, and remember portions of it, proves my point: a significant number of people have watched, and been entertained by, those movies.
Joe Dunno’s statement concerned “statistical” significance, not subjective “artistic” significance. In purely numerical terms, my stupid little movies are more “statistically” significant than the vasty majority of art house fare — on any given airing, many more people view my movies than whatever is showing on Sundance Channel. I don’t claim my movies are any better than this or that, but they do appeal to a significant audience. And let’s face it, good reviews are nice, but they don’t pay for a vacation to Tahiti.
As for your comparison to real “films,” I’ve also produced things which were indeed shot on “film” and which have screened in theaters across the country, and on TV around the world.
And while Greg Toland’s cinematography in Welles’ Citizen Kane is far more widely studied (and heralded) for its use of deep focus than of shadows, I agree that their use of single-source lighting, and the device of lighting only what the Welles wants the viewer to focus upon, was brilliant. That film is certainly exemplary in every regard. Except that, on its initial theatrical release, it too risked could be considered “statistically insignificant”: after its initial run, RKO Pictures claimed it had lost more than $150,000 (in 1941 dollars!) on the film.
I know, toy guns are expensive. Don’t worry, it’s not like that stands out in my mind as the most retarded scene ever recorded. Nothing like that 😉
Too bad Welles isn’t still around so you two could bounce ideas off each other. I’d like to be a fly on the wall for that. Dream team!
I call that review imaginary becuase that is what it is. It is not a ‘review of statistics’ of any kind. It was a counting of the number of repeat tests for posivitve performers, thats all. There was NEVER any review or analyisis of statistics. It is two people, being paid on the side by the FSC, to , ONE BY ONE go throught AIM’s results and count repeat tests, PERIOD, nothing more nothing less.
Leave it up to a failed lawyer to call that an independent preview.
And if you want to finally be honest with us all, you can concede that it will never see the light of day. We both know this to be true.
I let you go on an on about this ‘indepent analysis of AIMS statistics’ with the hope that one day it would get released, and I could laugh my ass off at you when you tried to explain how counting repeat tests was an ‘independent statistical analysis.”
Now some Mike like lawyer talk….Patient comes into AIM and gets tested. Patient postitve for chalmydia. Patient takes meds and retests six days later. Patient still tests positive. THey call that a double counting of that single positive. BUT WAIT,,,,,in those six days the patient had sex with five people,,,who is to say they didnt get infected again Michael,off set, while turning a trick. After all Michael, isnt that where all the positive std’s in the industry come from is offset?
SO how can you say that all of those repeat positives are actually ‘false’ positives, and not re-infections? You seem to want it both ways(no pun intended)
THese are they types of questions a TRUE independent analysis would look to answer. Nothing is a ‘zero sum game’ here.
Bottom line is, there was never any independent satatistcal review of AIM’s tests, as YOU kept reffering to it as. I just used your own lawyer like double talk bullshit to string you along, and let you keep repeating the ‘independent analysis’ baloney with the hopes of laughing at you in the end. But we both know we will never see this ‘analysis’ so there ya go.
Didnt YOU write that it would be released in a reletively short period of time a few weeks ago. And didnt you first mention it a few MONTHS ago? Like I wrote a few weeks ago, relative to what, the lunar year of Saturn?
What are they waiting for now Michael? To finish the remodeling before releasing the results?LOL
@Joe – You really have absolutely no idea how any of this works, do you?
You write: “how can you say that all of those repeat positives are actually ‘false’ positives, and not re-infections?”
NO ONE has claimed that ALL repeat positive tests were the result of any one thing, let alone that they are false positives or as a result of re-testing during the same infection AND YOU KNOW THAT. What any rational mind WOULD maintain, however, is that ABSENT AN ANALYSIS THAT CATEGORIZES POSITIVE TEST RESULTS — TRUE (CONFIRMED) POSITIVES, FALSE POSITIVES, AND RE-TESTS, ETC… — IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL STATISTICAL NUMBERS ARE.
How can you claim to know how significant a factor “re-infection” is without having analyzed the numbers first? The answer, of course, is that it’s your BIAS. You form a conclusion based on personal prejudice and anecdotal evidence, and then you work backwards to formulate a theory and collect “facts” that support it. Sorry to tell you this, Joey boy, but the plural of anecdote is not data.
Let me break this all down into one sentence so your simple mind has a better chance of grasping it: I don’t know how statistically significant any of the factors we’ve mentioned are, and YOU don’t know how statistically significant any of those factors are, because neither of us has yet seen a thorough evaluation of the data, BUT, OF THE TWO OF US, ONLY YOU CLAIM TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SIGNIFICANT FACTORS ARE.
Put another way, my point is this: despite the self-serving claims of self-interested parties, WE DON’T KNOW. We have not yet seen a full and accurate picture. Yet YOU claim to have all the answers. You even maintain that I am WRONG, when all I do is point out that there exist factors the potential significance of which you refuse to acknowledge — and that is simply because you are a disingenuous, lying sack of shit.
And as for the rest — he who laughs last laughs best. In this case, the smart money is most assuredly not on you.
C’mon, Mike, dontcha’ know? Joe’s omnipotent. I finally know who Joe really is. He’s God himself. Which explains the similarities to Lubben’s posts. They probably have a little pow-wow inside Shelleys head, or heart, I should say, before tag-teaming LIB in the name of christianity and head banging in Sardo’s while preparing to suck Ron Jeremy’s cock.
@Michael Whiteacre Poor Angela Little I know for a fact she has tried to get any connection to her and Busty Cops scrubbed off the internet and completely disowns it now. Sort of like Krista Allen and Emmanuelle, I think it cost her some decent gigs in mainstream.
@chichiladouche – I wish Angela all the best — and I loved her scenes in Walk Hard. She’s an accomplished actress, and while I understand why she’d want to distance herself, trying to re-write your past always fails.
And speaking of trying to re-write history . . .
@Fartz – Can you even IMAGINE what it’s like in Shelley’s head? Talk about a massively conflicted individual. Here’s her response to her ridiculous dancing performance at PSK (with thanks again to Mike South for posting it):
“I danced one song at the end of the night with precious girls and it was worth it to show them I was fun and am not some perfect staunchy Bible porn fighter (like the porn industry warns them about). Praise Jesus for loving porn stars, prostitutes, drug addicts, porn addicts, and the list goes on. Jesus probably would have danced too but I am sure He would have chosen a better outfit! Sorry Lord!”
Staunchy? Did she mean stodgy? Notice the hilarious “What would Jesus do” defense, and the fact that THIS TIME she abbreviated her list of similar sinners who need to be healed and saved. Her full list (from a video she has removed from YouTube) includes wife beaters, child molesters and homosexuals. She offered no explanation, however, of why the pupils of her eyes are as big as olives in pictures and videos from the second half of that night.
I imagine if you took a microscope to Shelley’s brain, you’d see one lonesome brain cell sitting in a Laz-E-Boy. It’d look up at you squinting, give you a dirty look, then reach up and turn the microscope light off.
@Fartz – I would never go so far as to call Shelley stupid — to do that would be to excuse her lies, as well as the harm and mischief she causes others. She’s simply a life-long reflexive liar with an agenda: to mythologize and over-dramatize her life, and lend her miserable, wretched past some weight and significance.
A random example (from her book): of her wedding day, she writes, “We drove to Norwalk, California, on a harsh winter’s day on February 14, 1995.”
A quick check of historical weather data reveals that the daytime temperatures across that entire region that day ranged from 54 to 63 degrees! But to Shelley, who works so hard to make us believe she was soon to be named a prophet of G-d, there must portents and omens to be found everywhere in her past. This is not stupidity, it’s premeditated distortion of fact. It’s fiction — mythology — nothing more.
Wow, is Whitacre an obsessed no-life douche. He fact checks what the temperture was on particular days so he can claim he’s uncovered another Lubben lie. A California airhead might very well think 54 degrees is cold. How many similar lies have you found so far, Sherlock Holmes? 200-300?
I bet he chit chats with professional con artist Sharon Mitchell about how Lubben is a “life-long reflexive liar”. Ya know they’d get along – he’s a fake filmmaker like she’s a fake doctor. Just curious Whitacre – do you and Joanne attend the same sex parties as Mitch?
@Schneerson – Wow, you’re an idiot. The only sex party I’ve ever attended was with your whore mother. She was the good time had by all. Dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick.
Your mother’s a disgusting diseased whore. I thought everyone here should know that.
So you let Joanne go to these Mitchell events alone? I’d keep a tighter leash. Sharon’s strap-on has busted up many a relationship.
I have a hot tip for you. On page 187 of Lubben’s book she says she was wearing a red shirt on a particular day. I happen to know it was actually maroon. Lie # 267!!! High five!
@Schneerson – May Cal Jammer’s Ghost strike you down for your blasphemy, asshole. LOL
Actually, on page 187, Lubben writes about how G-d spoke her (again), that she stopped taking the psych meds she had been prescribed, and how she drank alcohol during “part” of her pregnancy in 1999.
I hope John Holmes’ likely still drug-addled ghost butt-fucks you in your sleep Menacchhwoman!
Well aren’t you a judgemental little bitch, Whitacrestein. No one deserves moral judgement ever, unless they profess to trying to be moral, huh? They’re going to love you at NAMBLA when you get to work on their counter-offensive.
Pickle kisser Jeremy, that John Holmes theory is as plausible as any of your other looney tunes ideas.
You have no idea about my ideas, Schmeerson, and I don’t kiss no pickles. Go stick a cucumber up your yazoo!
@Michael Whiteacre I was wondering how you felt about your girl Monica Foster sucking up to Lubben?
Lubben is one subject I totally agree with you on. I have never seen so much hate come from a self proclaimed “christian” in my life.
@RobertJ – I’m more than happy to answer but I honestly don’t know to what you refer, exactly. Can you please fill me in?
And thank you for the vote of confidence — many, many self-described Christians have written to express the same view to me. Mrs. Lubben is to the principles of Christianity what e coli is to beef.
@ MrWhiteacre Well I thought you told her some advice on a short movie she did, I could be wrong. I read so much, so who knows? Monica went from totally hating Lubben and accusing her of owning a particular website I won’t name. To loving her and taking up for her on twitter, bashing people in the industry. I am all for people finding religion, but come on LUBBEN? She spits so much hate she could be the anti-Christ. I enjoyed your documentary on this fraud.
@RobertJ — I just watched Monica’s video blog. I both like and respect her (and her perseverance), and I’m genuinely pleased to hear that she feels positive about her spiritual journey. She’s had a rough last several months, and I’d nothing more than to see her find peace and true happiness. I only met her in person once, but we’ve exchanged correspondence, and have never had a cross word. I hope that will continue because she’s got a lot to say. I only wish her well.
I obviously do not agree with Lubben’s tactics, or her claims that she regularly stands in the presence of G-d, or the way she runs her organization, but I refuse to judge anyone for reaching out to Lubben in a time of need, or for responding to Lubben’s outreach.
My problem with Lubben is not that she espouses Christ, it’s that she exploits others and — in very UN-Christ-like fashion — uses lies, demeans a whole class of people (porn stars as a class are mentally ill, drug-infested, demon-possesed, disease-ridden slaves of Satan), and seeks to force her personal worldview on those who disagree with her. In short, she’s advocating an authoritarian worldview that is, in my view, as un-helpful as it is un-American. I hope for Monica’s sake that Lubben doesn’t do to her what she did to Brooke Ashley, Savannah Jane and many others.
Make no mistake, Lubben is an expert manipulator: a self-described “hustler,” she’s got a great sales pitch, and she knows how to play on people’s vulnerabilities (Brooke Ashley maintains Lubben told her that if she came on board with her G-d would cure her HIV). I do not believe her heart is, in fact, in the right place, but if what she’s dishing out serves to help Monica in the short (or long) term, then good for Monica.
As for Monica’s opinions of the adult industry, they haven’t really changed, as far as I see, it seems more like they’ve coalesced in recent weeks (Monica can correct me, if I’m wrong on this). She’s a straight-shooter (as well as an extremely persistent investigator), and she’s earned eh right to speak her mind, and reveal her experiences and what her conclusions are, as she sees fit. Anyone who sees injustice and TRULY seeks to do something positive about it cannot be faulted for that. There’s not a shred of doubt in my mind that Monica wants to help adult performers (and those considering entering the business). Perhaps Shelley will learn something from Monica in that regard. The industry is far from perfect because the world is far from perfect — and the porn biz is a microcosm for the rest of society.
I’m glad you enjoyed the first two parts of the documentary. If you liked eps. 1 & 2, you’ll REALLY like 3 & 4.
@ Michael W
Hey I agree about her tactics. I hope Shelley does learn something from Monica in that respect. Hey thanks for taking the time to respond. I saw that 3 & 4 were in post production. I will definitely keep watching for it on the site. Hey thanks again for shedding some light on the situation.
@RobertJ – As Curtis Mayfield sang, I’m your doctor when you need.
Help for Whitacrestein: I just watched the clip where you accuse Lubben of not providing proof of having STDs – lol – (you nailed her! high five!). I’m going to do you a huge favor that none of your friends care enough to do. Your wig is way too monochrome. That one solid color makes the synthetic hair look like a piece of carpet (literally). Tell the Hair Club for Men or who ever services that thing to mix in some salt-n-pepper. It will still look like a Sam Donaldson hairline, but will be a little less fucking ridiculous.