Xbiz.com Reports AIM Clinic Closes; FSC Responds
By Rhett Pardon
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CANOGA PARK, Calif. — The Free Speech Coalition said Tuesday that AIM Medical Associates has closed as a result of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation’s steady campaign against the clinic that served nearly all of the business’ performers.
In order to avoid a significant gap in health services for performers, FSC said it has drawn up preliminary strategies to offer options for performer testing protocols.
The FSC board of directors will meet tomorrow for an emergency meeting to consider options
“It is our understanding that AIM is now closed. Our hearts go out to AIM and its dedicated staff. We know that it has been a very difficult time for them,” FSC Executive Director Diane Duke said. “Rest assured that FSC is committed to making sure that the industry and its performers are well-protected.”
Last Friday, FSC conducted three separate meetings for producers, agents and performers to gather feedback and discuss options with industry stakeholders. The response from those meetings was successful in gathering suggestions from industry members on which options to pursue and for taking action, the FSC said.
AIM has suffered a two-year campaign waged by AHF and is currently a defendant in litigation associated with AHF involving patient medical privacy, the FSC said.
AIM, which in February changed its name from Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation to AIM Medical Associates as well its regulatory and tax status, once served about 1,200 adult movie performers a month at two clinics in the San Fernando Valley. The clinic has been lead by Sharon Mitchell, a former porn star herself, since its founding in 1998
AIM’s’ AimCheck.net database website has been inaccessible to producers and talent since Monday.
FSC has been working with industrial safety regulation agency Cal-OSHA to develop industry-appropriate regulations for adult production sets. The next Cal-OSHA Committee meeting addressing regulations for the adult industry will take place in downtown Los Angeles at the CalTrans Building on June 7.
Thanks a lot AIDS Healthcare! Seems like the want to punish the talent for doing what they do,because condom or no condom they just made the industry a whole hell of a lot more dangerous. Now you’re gonna see more fake tests and longer lasting outbreaks, what a shame.
People can’t fake tests anymore, Ruby. It’s protocol to confirm talent’s tests results through Talent Testing Service’s website. Also, like AIM did, they will email your results to your private email, so you can punch that up on line on set, as well. The whole AIDS thing has been a sham from the beginning, anyway, but that’s another story. AHF pretends to be saving lives but its a muli-million dollar “non profit” money-making machine. They have such excess profits to push their propaganda for evermore profits that in some parts of Hollywood, they literally have big billboards back to back off one street corner. It’s obnoxious! Check out “House of Numbers”, which shows HIV testing to be a crock. You’ll be glad you did. My advice to everyone is to stop blindly trusting authorities with biased, vested, economically/ politically controlled interests (such as our government)… It’s a horrible way to be guided go through life.
AHF is looking to get rid of porn, simple enough. What’s AHF doleing out of its coffers too, Federal Laws say they only have to dole out 5% of their total worth per year and that includes administration costs. What’s Weinstein getting paid, how much are the lawyers costing them in their suit against AIM. AHF may cause more performers to get sick, blame them next outbreak. Porn is in deep shit between the Earl, Trannyfucker, the fucknuts in Florida, Fishbein and his book of lies, Jim Powers and Porno Dan, the Pirate wars and of course that money laundering frog scum Thylmann, the biggest pirate of all.
Can anyone cite on single thing the FSC has ever done to make sure that;;;”the INDUSTRY and its perfomers are well protected.”
Notice how they seperate THE INDUSTRY from the performers. When it comes to health and safety, what type of protection does ‘THE IDNUSTRY’ need, or is it the wallets of the INDUSTRY that the FSC is concerned with?
If that statement doesnt say it all I dont know what does. Seperating the industry from the performers. THe truth slips out. OOOPS!!!
MIKE SOUTH……Did you catch that one????
@ Joe – No, you moron, one would also say, “the pharmaceutical industry” and “its workers.” The “automotive industry” and “its workers” . . . .
Industry – noun: The aggregate of manufacturing or technically productive ENTERPRISES in a particular field, often named after its principal product.
And we’re STILL waiting for an answer from you on that other thread:
How about answering one fucking question you putz?
Why not reveal all you say you “know” about that study of AIM’s data now, Joe? Or are you bluffing again? Stall much?
And, STILL no answer on the relevance of the mysterious “rose” and “stone” terms you used . . .
Michael, you are talking about not answering questions. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle, he is black.
Youre wrong again Michael…The interests of those the FSC represent, and that is prodcuers, are dramaticly different from the interests of performers when it comes to healt and safety in the porn industry. For the FSC to say they represent both entities is a CLEAR conflict of interest, and as somone with a legal backround I think you would recongnize this.
Producers have fought tooth and nail for years to avoid any financial participation or liability when it comes to the health and safety of performers, and they have had the backing of the FSC while doing it. Notice that the FSC as an organization has NEVER DONE ONE SINGLE THING to assist PERFORMERS when it comes to health and safety. And now performers are supposed to believe that the FSC is going to protect PERFORMERS best interests, and not the best inerests of the producers. This just doesnt pass the smell test, but you bave it your best shot and I thank you for trying again.
ANd you can stick your dictionary right up your ass. Everyone, except you obviously, knows that the FSC has no interest in doing anything that will cost PRODUCERS any money for health and safety of performers. They would have done it YEARS ago if they were truely interested in helping performers. Do you remember the SILENCE of the FSC in 2004? What id they do back then,,no need to answer becasue there is no answer, the did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!
@Joe – So, your rebuttal consists of repeating your opinion, rather than offering objective facts or any structured argument. That’s quite … novel.
It also means you’re an empty-headed, disingenuous piece of shit.
When are you going to answer these questions, Joe?
Why not reveal all you say you “know” about that study of AIM’s data now, Joe?
Or are you bluffing again? Stall much?
And, STILL no answer on the relevance of the mysterious “rose” and “stone” terms you used . . .
@Michael,
If you recall I have been asking you for months now who has been conducting this ‘independent’ evaluation, or whatever you want to call it,and you havent.
Now YOU are taking me to task for not answering the same question. I will now stoop to your level and say, I asked you first? But is is abvious to me that you have no clue what this entire ‘review’ as you call it was all about, and now you want me to tell you.
So here you go Michael, the answers you have been waiting for…..
This entire “INDEPENDENT” analysis has consisted of nothing more than two people, both porn performers with nos statistical or analytical, or legal or anyother backround except being in porn, going throug AIM test results, one by one, to see how many had multiple tests done within a very short time of eachother, to see how many people had repeat tests for posibly the same infection. They were paid by the hour by the FSC. Nothng more nothing less. This is the entire INDEPENDENT analysis. Two porn performers, counting one by one, the repeat tests of performers. LOL
Two porn performers, paid by the FSC to count AIM tests, using AIMS database. Thats it!!! That is what you have been touting as this comprehensive INDEPENDENT analysis. LOL
This is your “Study of AIM’s data” LOL
And it will never see the light of day either. LOL
Only a lawer, and a bad one at that, could possibly try to sell this as a ‘comprehensive independent study.’ I cant wait to see how you spin this, or is this actually news to you.
Now lets hear YOUR description of this ‘analysis.’
@Joe – WRONG! You are entirely mistaken as to the nature of the study to which I have referred, jackass. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
How in G-d’s name could anyone call that an authoritative independent analysis, you cretin?
It’s stunning just how stupid and disingenuous you are. But, I guess when you’re Joe, any lie will do. And when the facts don’t fit the ideology, the facts must be wrong.
I’M LAUGHING AT YOU.
What I find REALLY funny, though, is that you think by fabricating this story I’ll be stupid enough to rebut it with details of the ACTUAL study. Fish much, asshole?
Here’s some more news, Joe: you’ll soon be immortalized. I’m basing a character on you in my new project. The working title is “My Own Private I Dunno” (a title dreamt up by Mark Spiegler years ago for someone else — but for you it’s the most perfect fit).
Michael,
i wuld ask you the same thing but you will never answer.
What I have dexcribed is EXACTLY what was done. AIM has not handed over any information to any third party at any time, never did and never will.
Iwill ask you the same thing,,,How could YOU call this an independent review? This is al that was done, nothing more nothing less. And it will never see the lightof day.
As far as immortalizing anybody, perhaps the same couple of hundred people who have seen your Shelley Lubben epic will aso view this one. LOL
I know exactly what I am talking about and have put it out there for everyone to see. What about you.
YOU KNOW it is never going to see the light of day, so you have nothing to fear about being proven wrong, becuase it is never going to be seen. You can keep proclaiming that some analysis exists, but you know that nothing will ever see the light of day.
You seem to be implying that Dr. Colin Hamblin turned over HIS test results for an independent analysis.
Quick question Michael, do you know who Dr. Colin Hamblin is? When was the last time you spoke to him about an ‘independent’ review of HIS results? LOL,,I will answer that for you,,YOU have never spoken to him about it.
@Michael,
This so called study aside, what do you think of the conflict of interest of the FSC claiming to represent the performers and the producers on the health and safety issue?
@Joe – I reject your premise, vis-a-vis FSC.
Whomever I may or may not have spoken to is not relevant to my assertion(s) regarding the independent review of that data. I do not claim to have seen the data myself, nor do I claim to have seen the final report. I only assert that the report exists, it constitutes an independent and authoritative analysis, and that it disproves and/or diminishes most of the contentions of those who are urging governmental action with regard to adult film production. You know — the cabal of AHF, UCLA, LACDH and Cal/OSHA — not to mention our favorite dance machine, Shelley Lubben.
And, tell me Joe — if the report is never going to be seen, why are you so desperate to pry information from me? Hmmm?
And what of the “stone” and “rose” references — you never explained them.
hahahaha
I WONDER who you spoke to. Whoever could that person be. Hmmmmm.
That’s right I’m dancing. AIM IS CLOSED!!
Now performers can get the help they need and they do NOT have to pay for it. Los Angeles County has various resources for getting tested (and treated, if necessary)for sexually transmitted diseases.
Find out where to get free, confidential STD testing and treatment at a location near you at http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/std/docs/clinic_0411.pdf.
http://www.inSPOTLA.org
Includes an interactive clinic finder map with over 60 clinics in Los Angeles County.
I REPEAT FREE TESTING AND TREATMENT!
The remodelling must have gone badly.
Sex on film = modeling.
Porn Star testing clinic closed down = remodeling.
Ahhh. Ministress??
It’s all good that you link to LACDPH and InSPOT-LA…but some questions need to be answered:
Do they provide the more accurate PCR-DNA testing, rather than the far more inaccurate ERISA tests?
What is their rate of getting test results?? AIM’s was within 24 hours; TTS is more like 2-3 days.
Third..most performers can actually use their private doctors for testing to begin with.
Just because it is free doesn’t make it better.
Besides, since when are you for anything free, Madame?? Why not provide some of your services at PCF free, then, rather than having ex-performers go through hoops and crucibles/crucifixes to get aid??
And also…are you willing to support more government funding for testing and treatment overall for everyone?? Most fundamentalists of your kind most certainly are NOT….see the battle to defund Planned Parenthood. But, I guess that porn performers are different??
Gloat now, Ms. Lubben, because the facts on the ground will dictate a different result.
Anthony
SHelley,
Why should TAXPAYERS be picking up the tab every month to do std tests on people who choose to be in an industry that pays them several hundred, if not 1000 to 2000 dollars per day.
Shelley, who really pays for these ‘free’ tests?
My taxpayer dollars should NOT be used to pa for porn stars taking their ‘pre employmnet’ std tests.
The very idea is beyond absurd.
And to JoeIDon’tKnowJackButI’llJustPullStuffOutOfMyBackside:
That kind of “independent” study done by Mike Whiteacre would still be leaps and bounds above anything you would peoduce, which would consist of merely reprinting AHF/PCF press releases.
And if the FSC in representing both performers and producers is in “conflict of interest”, then what in the hell does that make you attempting to represent performers?? Especially, when your stated goal is to wipe porn off the face of the earth if it doesn’t meet your desires to push condoms down their throats??
But then again, Joey, you’ve revealed your wingnut sensibilities well enough.
Save us the drama, please, your one trick has been revealed.
Anthony
@Slubben
Good to see you happy about people losing jobs in this economy…some of that good ol’ Christian love eh?
Michael, funny how you refuse to answer the exact same questions that I have been asking you for months. ANd you can reject what ever you want, what I said is 100% true. OOPS What I wrote is 100% true. Two performers paid by the FSC to go through AIM results one by one , to cunt the retests. Thats it, and thats why its a joke. And it will never see the light of day.
Do you know who Colin Hamblin is?
Oh, this is rich….
Shorter JoeyTheRipper: “I’m all for testing performers for HIV and other known killer STI’s, and making all of them who don’t test negative use condoms…but I don’t want MY taxpayer money being used to actually test and treat people!! Oh, HELL to the NO…they should pay for it THEMSELVES!!!!”
Oh, wait a minute, Joey…wasn’t it you who back in the day was attempting to rip new body parts in Ernest Greene while moaning that performers were being forced to pay the full costs for testing?? And, weren’t you the one saying that the porn companies should bear the full cost of testing rather than the performers??
Oh, but that must have been a different Joe Know, I guess.
Nice to see that your Tea Party Wingnut radar is still locked in and on full blast.
Finally…this just in: PORN STARS PAY TAXES, TOO. Probably more than most multinational companies, in fact.
Anthony
What planet are you from ANthony. Since when am I trying to shut down porn. I am the biggest advocate for PERFORMERS this site has ever seen. I support the right to produce porn as much as anybody. The problem I have is that producercs stcik the talent with alot of the bills that they should legally be paying.
Bite me, kiss my ass, and eat me,,,but dont lie about my motives.
And therre is no IF about the conflict of interst for the FSC to claim to represent the talent and producers when it comes to health and safety in the porn biz. I fully support PERFORMERS right to be treated fairly in the workplace 100%. Your comments are irrelevent.
Oh, and Joey???
Repeating the same meme over and over and over and over and over again does not prove your point. It only makes you look more like a crank.
There is a reason why Michael Whiteacre does not feel the need to “answer” your “question”: Because it’s not a real “queastion” but just another one of your tiring rants.
Either get original or put it back in your pants and move on.
Anthony
Anthony you ignorant piece of garbage. It is PRODUCERS, who should be paying the cost.
Why should taxpayers pick up this tab? That is beyond ridiculous. Are you really in favor of taxpayers paying for porn performers pre employment std tests, really?
Free clinics are funded by tax payers to serve those who cannot afford medical services. Most porn stars do NOT fit into this category. Take you ignorance and shove it
I pay taxes too, and I pay for insurance too, and I pay for medcial insurance for my employees.
All the industry wants os to amke sure that producers pay nothing, no matter who has to pay, as long as producers pay nothing. ANd now the FSC also wants performers to PAY, tobe part of a ‘network’ in which the performerst still pay for all tests and treatment. And who do you think tha payments for this ‘network’ are going to ANthony, yes the FSC!!LOL
@slubben – Does that dance you’re doing look anything like this?
http://www.mikesouth.com/mikesouth-exclusives/shelly-lubben-acting-a-fool-at-porn-star-karaoke-4981/
one thing people forget is that AIM did more than just testing.
first timers were required to watch a video. sure it aint much advise but perhaps better than the one the new girls might be getting from the “pimps”.
performers were treated not just for STD’s but also other non-STD treatments.
In reality, AIM was a mini healthcare co-op.
The privacy issue was the killer, I blame the wiki leaks more than any of the other factors.
Shelley just made a Sarah Palin sized gaffe in her response on your AIM Closes, FSC Responds posting. I’m shocked she didn’t know this:
Did Shelley Lubben really just show she doesn’t understand the difference between the Elisa and PCR/DNA tests? PCR/DNA is suitable for porn. Elisa isn’t. Elisa may be free. PCR/DNA isn’t.
Shelley! Please tell us where performers can get a free PCR/DNA test. I’m sure they would LOVE to know.
THere is no such thing as FREE testing, elisa or PCR. County clinics are funded by taxpayers. And dont try to tell me that porn performers pay taxes too. Of course they do, but these clinics are underfunded enough to now have to pick up the tab for volutary testing of employees in a multi billion dollar industry.
ANd they dont pay nearly as much in local and state taxes to cover the cost of the monthly tests that they would be getting for free, or at the expense of all the other taxpayers in Los Angeles, or any other county.
People will be able to fake tests because there’s no place that noterizes them and the industry just got a whole hell of a lot more dangerous! Lubben is a dumb cunt, who thinks condoms make you safer on camera, they don’t, anyone whose taken a sloppy facial like she has should know better.
What does a notary matter, Ruby? It’s just a rubber stamp. TTS is now where people generally go to test. It’s fine if you don’t want to believe in their lab. I don’t believe in any lab as each lab has different criteria as to which proteins are supposed to be evidence of HIV infection…
This is bullshit. Things are getting a lot worse–not safer. Thanks a lot AHF/Pink Cross.
@origen – That has been the plan all along: create a crisis, then step in with a “plan” to save the day. Nothing about the actions of this cabal has ANYTHING to do with worker safety or public health.
AIM may not of been the best and certainly had many issues but Ruby is right. With out AIM the industry faces a huge hole in performers lively hood and awareness.
1) lose of database over the course of a career
2) lose of the website tracking and confirmation
3) questions on the type of testing now being offered and timeline questions.
4) questions on the validity of a test ( that is huge)
5) lose of many other services AIM offered.
6) Huge opening left open for OSHA and or any other governmental regulations that could be throught of. With out a front line medical service the industry basically owned. With real human that had worked in the industry.
Grant it AIM might not of been ideal and Aim had many issues but the lose of Aim now raised more issues that are much scarier then with them still in business. If I was a performer I would probably be seriously considering getting out of the business due to health and safety concerns. Sure you can go to any of 1000’s of places and get tested and so can any one else. But we all remember Marc mr. I faked a test. Along with if some one does pop up with HIV now it is extremely difficult to get to patient zero and keep a lid on it with out AIM.
Also dont forget the amount of tests that got mailed in from around the country. Those people where also in a database and being monitored too. So not only is LA now in a disarray but so is much of the business out of the LA bubble due to so much traveling by performers and Solo site workers.
OK to you morons touting the PCRDNA test as the end all “for porn” you are simply showing your ignorance. it IS a substandard test by most all measures, it is NOT the gold standard test and there are reasons for that, educate yourselves instead of spouting AIM propaganda, AIM used this test because they PROFITED MORE by using it. They sold it as safer, but what they didn’t tell you is that someone who has had HIV for years CAN and WILL test clean using that test.
they quote window periods and such that are almost 20 years old and not applicable for the current tests.
face it AIM was an EPIC FAIL
now lets learn from it and create something hat AIM SHOULD have been.
@Mike – Once again, I agree with you for the most part. If there indeed is any gold standard HIV test (I have my doubts for many of the same reasons Jeremy cites — see “House of Numbers” et al) it is not necessarily PCR-DNA. However, whatever the county or AHF are giving away is, in all likelihood, no better (or likely worse) — because nothing says “quality” like faster and cheaper.
And yes, the time is now to create the best, safest, most reliable and fairest system possible. This is an opportunity; a true silver lining.
I can already see the 5pm LA news..Another outbreak in the porn industry and the testing was done through the Los angeles county dept of public health! Its just another way to interact the “condom” rule and track film permits and everything else!!. Free PCR-DNA testing my foot!!
Mike South, there IS NO gold standard for HIV testing (If you believe there is, then what test are you speaking of?). It does not exist…. but you’re on the right track.
And, as Michael Whiteacre and I have said, Buy “House of Numbers”. It is well worth the investment. Inform yourselves about this fuckin’ scam!
And in the meantime, watch this free 2 hour documentary here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8142733917997460212#
I have seen house of numbers and I am WELL aware of how the numbers have been skewed for financial gain as well as how and why
The gold standard I am referring to is the “best performing test” and when it comes to HIV (whether you believe it exists or not) the gold standard IS NOT the PCR/DNA test.
Personally I like the idea of the advanced oraquick test prior to EVERY scene, its cheap, its simple to administer and the results are quick and no blood is involved.
argue the AIDS thing all ya want if it makes my girls feel better to have everyone tested I do it…simple as that.
The reason the industry switched from the ELISA test to the PCRDNA is the window, The ELISA has a six week window, and PCRDNA has a three week window, which means(for all you performers who weren’t at the meeting after the first outbreak, I was there.) that you can contract HIV and still test negitive for 6 weeks on the ELISA but only 3 weeks using the PCRDNA. Since we tested monthly the PCRDNA kept the talent safer. It was a system that was working because we caught the infected performer fairly quick. AIM was also able to do the proper geneology which will now be impossible. CAL OSHA is doing this to punish performers and hurt the buisness as much as it can. ANYONE CAN FAKE A TEST!Noterizing them made that hard because of the stamp which you could feel on the test, The whole internet thing was a bad idea, performers should always check tests, it’s easy to forget about it after a longer time in the industry, performers should have there originals on them at all times. And they should be testing for Syphilis as well as everything else.Oral tests have a greater incidents of false positives.
LOL, Mike. I see. The “Gold Standard” you are referring to is actually the one you consider the “best performing test”; in other words, the one you personally like best. Ok…
Oraquick tests for antibodies, not a virus, or proteins arbitrarily presumed to be indicative of a virus… Antibodies, in fact, are indicative of a successful immune response to a large number of possible causes, and not indicative of the presence of any specific disease or virus, whatsover, no more than the presence of cops at a donut shop are proof of the existence of any criminals.
But, hey, if it’s cheaper and quicker, I’m all for it!
Excerpt from http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport1.html :
Anxiety Triggered By AIDS Test/False Positive Results
POSTED: 8:01 am PST December 9, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO – “A promising new oral HIV test that uses fluid swabbed from the mouth to quickly and easily detect the virus that causes AIDS incorrectly diagnosed a quarter of the people who tested positive in San Francisco, city health officials found.”
People were tested for HIV, told they were positive, when in fact this was false. The article continues:
”Forty-seven people who tested positive after using the OraQuick Advance HIV test in city clinics were not infected at all, the San Francisco Department of Public Health said this week.”
@jeremy – Hey, if you ask the folks at AHF, OraQuick is perfect!: in the story you excerpted, above, that would put forty-seven more people on the AHF client roster, being prescribed costly and deadly medications. Who cares if they’re not actually sick. Groups like AHF receive money on a per-patient basis. The more the merrier….
I know we’ve been accustomed to this notion that we need to test, and I’m all for it, if they can prove that any existing test actually tests for HIV, let alone prove that HIV, once they find it, causes a bunch of old, unrelated diseases collectively called “AIDS”. But what’s ironic (I know I’ve been using that word lately as much as Charlie was using “winning”) is that the industry has bounced from Elisa to PCR, and now back to Elisa (which oraquick is), as far as Mike South would have it. I know how crazy it sounds, because it IS crazy, but it’s still true; it’s all a big fucking, evil, corrupt, genocidal, mega-money making scam that doesn’t have a leg to stand on once you start examining the details instead of in blind, religious-like faith, believing and relying upon authorities who are caught up on the profit end of the game.
The essential, sad joke of it all is they can’t even find the virus itself (only proteins or anti-bodies believed to be associated with it), yet it’s supposedly so deadly we must take deadly drugs to fight it… a retro-virus so, so tiny we can’t find it, yet so deadly that drugs with skulls and crossbones on the label are merciful medicine! Holy shit, beam me up, Scotty!
Ruby…you are quoting information that is twenty years old, and wasn’t even accurate then. Current antibody tests have the same window period as the pcr dna test, please do your own reading and stop believing propaganda.
Jeremy I’m talking about the gold standard test as recognized by the CDC and the medical community, that is the Elisa screen with the Western Blot confirmation.
No test for any disease is perfect short of an autopsy.
But I will take a test that gives an occasional false positive over one that gives false negatives on known to be infected persons any day.
Now personally I think the hype surrounding the whole AIDS thing has gotten way more ink than it deserves, I think it is very hard to contract and I think if full blown AIDS was that easy to get everyone in porn would be dead from it by now. i think other STDs that AIM never tested for are far more dangerous. I have no desire to be drawn into nonsensical debates about porn and STDs I simply wanted to point out that the morons that keep quoting the PCR/DNA AIM mantra are simply showing themselves to be uneducated and to try doing a little research on their own instead of believing a pretend doctor.
I won’t argue about going back to Elisa and the so-called “confirmatory” W.B., although it’s still bullshit, but at least it was a lot faster and cheaper. I miss the $35.00 tests at the “10 Minute Test Center” which usually took about a 1/2 hour. You could get a rush call with no current test, go there, get your results in a 1/2 hour and head to the shoot. But as the test disclaimers of Elisa and W.B. state, they are “presumptive” and, require other presumptive tests to “confirm”… So if one person or test presumes you have AIDS and another presumes it too, you have AIDS.
S a v v y!
Just remember the reason the industry went to PCR/DNA tests was following all those false-positives performers had with Elisa and Western blot in the mid- late ’90s. Ironically, Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR, says his own invention does not detect HIV, which shows we’re only spending more money, not getting more reliable data.