That’s as good as the Santa Claus version of this scene. Folks, if you havent seen the movie this scene comes from, Downfall, see it, it is a very good movie. Bruno Ganz, who played Hitler deserved an Oscar nomination, but since its Hitler he had no chance.
I say it’s a pretty good, not very good movie, Larry. The movie was a long, drawn out, walked-through, redundant, slow communal suicide, for the implicit purpose of providing some kind of apologetic cleansing of German conscious by focusing just on the last dying moments of the 3rd Reich. At least it was in the German language. I still think Hitler faked his death (don’t know though). That was his escape plan. Traudl Junge is shown to have escaped the Russians unscathed… but in fact she was raped by the Soviets numerous times. Not enough barbarism and catching the Soviet and German mindset in my opinion, and no Jews, either. I guess it would’ve been hard to find actors that look the way they did. At least this movie wasn’t directed by Steven Soderbergh.
It´s a ggod movie.
But the escape/fake dead theorie has one little mistake.
Don´t you think a guy like Hitler (who has to be dead right now) would have told at least with his last breath), would have told how he fooled the whole world?
Theorie? Mistake? Do you think life is like the movies? He knows his what his last dying breath is going to be and someone is there for him to conveniently say “I’m Hitler”?
What’s not a theory are the following:
When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Yalta Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, ‘No.’ “We have found no corpse that could be Hitler’s.”, Stalin, added, and declared that Hitler had escaped.
Stalin’s top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945: “We have found no corpse that could be Hitler’s.”
Otto Abetz, Germany’s wartime ambassador to France, boasted that Hitler “is certainly not dead” and was “not a coward — I believe one day he will return.”
Operation Paperclip usurped top German scientists into the U.S. gov’t. There is ample proof that a major group of Nazis escaped to Argentina.
An editorial in “Zig Zag,” Santiago, Chile, January 16, 1948, STATES that on April 30th, 1945, Flight Captain Peter Baumgart took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark (still German controlled). From Tondern, they took another plane to Kristiansund in Norway (also German controlled). From there they joined a submarine convoy. (“U.F.O. Letzte Geheimwaffe des III Reiches,” Mattern, pp. 50-51.) The Jewish writer Michael Bar-Zohar in “The Avengers,” p. 99, said: “In 1943 Admiral Doenitz had declared: ‘The German U-boat fleet is proud to have made an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress for the Fuhrer, somewhere in the world.’
A 2009 report states that a skull fragment believed for decades to be the Nazi leader’s has turned out to be that of a woman under 40 after DNA analysis.
In 1944, a year before Hitler’s reported death, Hoover received a tip that Hitler would receive refuge in Argentina, according to a Sept. 4, 1944, memo written by an FBI agent. The memo noted that Argentine political leaders had plans to conduct clandestine meetings with Hitler “for the arranging of importing arms and technicians into Argentina.”
It generally was believed by historians that Hitler bit down on a glass ampoule containing potassium cyanide while shooting himself in the head on April 30, 1945. But, the question can be raised as to whether Hitler’s Parkinson’s tremor would have allowed him to follow this procedure.
Hitler had 6 or more doppelgangers or body doubles; it wouldn’t surprise me if one of those was the one killed, or his death was faked all together.
The Russian newspaper Izvestiia ran a report that Hitler and Eva Braun were both alive and well, and living in a moated castle in Westphalia. This implied complicity on the part of the British, for Westphalia lay in the British zone of occupation. The report was followed by one in which an American lawyer wrote to Hoover at the Fbi to say that the former Fuhrer was living under the alias of Gerhardt Weithaupt in a house belonging to a certain Frau Frieda Haaf at Innsbruck. With Hitler, said this lawyer, was his personal physician, Dr Alfred Jodl.
Put yourself in Adolph’s shoes. You have at your personal disposal at minimum a number of Messerschmitt planes which can outrun all other aircraft of the day, and U-boats which are notorious for being as stealth as they get. You know that your losing the war, even if you don’t acknowledge it in public. Your guys have been building a post-war Nazi continuum underground movement headquartered in Madrid for several years. What do you do? Sit around in a bunker until it is too late (duh…) and then shoot your girlfriend and yourself before getting yourself burned beyond recognition? Or tell everyone that all is not lost, that the war is going underground and that their leader will remain at the helm. Rehearse the official story a few times and get your most loyal staff to sing the song to the enemy. Done deal.
Steele, you get this crap theory from Clark? Sounds like one of his HIV theories. Wonder if Clark is one of those PI’s who think they have found the driver of the car that James Dean died trying to swerve around. Of course we all know that person driving the car was a High School Driving Instructor.
You forgot another point.
If you see, that you´ll never live in the world you want to live (in Hitlers case the aryan world).
Do you want to live in that world.
Compare that too Martha Goebbels who killed her children and herself and said she doesn´t want them to live in a world like this.
You have to remember that Hitlers biggest (probably only dream) was to be the Master of the world and a world free of jews.
So, he certainly never would have see that dream come true.
and he would have faced the death penalty, like other huge Nazis (Göring, Göbbels) he didn´t want to give the statisfaction to the enemy.
And in I think 2002, Russia offered the chance to examine the head of Hitler by german forensic Mark Benecke, and they found out that this was Hitlers head, plus they found pieces of glass, from the cyanid pill.
And that Gerhard Weithaupt thing, come one Weisshaupt – Weithaupt. 😉
Its Magda Goebbels. I thought that all that was found of Hitler’s head was a small section of his jaw with teeth. There will always be conjecture because some of the witnesses either died before interrogation, were unreliable(esp those captured by the Russians) and the forensic work was sloppy…understandably so. The stories of the post Third Reich’s figures deaths are along the lines of the JFK conspiracy theories…Himmler was murdered by the British, the US helped Martin Bormann get to South America, Bormann was a Russian Spy and lived out the rest of his life in Russia, the US wanted to save Goring from the hangman and all the so called submarine escapes and plane escapes. The only sure escape plans were through the CIA & the Vatican. It gives one a headache.
One thing I saw today was Henry Kissinger talking about Russian Jews and emigration to Israel to Nixon saying he wouldnt lift a finger if the Soviets started to gas their Jews. It was in a Christopher Hitchens’ article and he has no love for Mr Kissinger who he claims a war criminal…and I agree.
Of course, Kissinger is a war criminal, Larry. He’s also the first person Obama got a job from in Washington, which tells you everything you need to know about Uncle Barrack.
I recently saw an oval office photo of then President Gerald Ford standing in between two smiling advisors, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.
It’s these types of guys, who have been around forever who are running things in Washington, not puppet Presidents.
As Bill Hicks once said, “It’s just a handful of people that run everything… No matter what promises you make on the campaign trail- blah, blah, blah- when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialists, capitalist scum fucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down… and it’s a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you’ve never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll. … And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new President, ‘Any questions?’
That’s as good as the Santa Claus version of this scene. Folks, if you havent seen the movie this scene comes from, Downfall, see it, it is a very good movie. Bruno Ganz, who played Hitler deserved an Oscar nomination, but since its Hitler he had no chance.
I say it’s a pretty good, not very good movie, Larry. The movie was a long, drawn out, walked-through, redundant, slow communal suicide, for the implicit purpose of providing some kind of apologetic cleansing of German conscious by focusing just on the last dying moments of the 3rd Reich. At least it was in the German language. I still think Hitler faked his death (don’t know though). That was his escape plan. Traudl Junge is shown to have escaped the Russians unscathed… but in fact she was raped by the Soviets numerous times. Not enough barbarism and catching the Soviet and German mindset in my opinion, and no Jews, either. I guess it would’ve been hard to find actors that look the way they did. At least this movie wasn’t directed by Steven Soderbergh.
It´s a ggod movie.
But the escape/fake dead theorie has one little mistake.
Don´t you think a guy like Hitler (who has to be dead right now) would have told at least with his last breath), would have told how he fooled the whole world?
Theorie? Mistake? Do you think life is like the movies? He knows his what his last dying breath is going to be and someone is there for him to conveniently say “I’m Hitler”?
What’s not a theory are the following:
When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Yalta Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, ‘No.’ “We have found no corpse that could be Hitler’s.”, Stalin, added, and declared that Hitler had escaped.
Stalin’s top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945: “We have found no corpse that could be Hitler’s.”
Otto Abetz, Germany’s wartime ambassador to France, boasted that Hitler “is certainly not dead” and was “not a coward — I believe one day he will return.”
Operation Paperclip usurped top German scientists into the U.S. gov’t. There is ample proof that a major group of Nazis escaped to Argentina.
An editorial in “Zig Zag,” Santiago, Chile, January 16, 1948, STATES that on April 30th, 1945, Flight Captain Peter Baumgart took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark (still German controlled). From Tondern, they took another plane to Kristiansund in Norway (also German controlled). From there they joined a submarine convoy. (“U.F.O. Letzte Geheimwaffe des III Reiches,” Mattern, pp. 50-51.) The Jewish writer Michael Bar-Zohar in “The Avengers,” p. 99, said: “In 1943 Admiral Doenitz had declared: ‘The German U-boat fleet is proud to have made an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress for the Fuhrer, somewhere in the world.’
A 2009 report states that a skull fragment believed for decades to be the Nazi leader’s has turned out to be that of a woman under 40 after DNA analysis.
In 1944, a year before Hitler’s reported death, Hoover received a tip that Hitler would receive refuge in Argentina, according to a Sept. 4, 1944, memo written by an FBI agent. The memo noted that Argentine political leaders had plans to conduct clandestine meetings with Hitler “for the arranging of importing arms and technicians into Argentina.”
It generally was believed by historians that Hitler bit down on a glass ampoule containing potassium cyanide while shooting himself in the head on April 30, 1945. But, the question can be raised as to whether Hitler’s Parkinson’s tremor would have allowed him to follow this procedure.
Hitler had 6 or more doppelgangers or body doubles; it wouldn’t surprise me if one of those was the one killed, or his death was faked all together.
The Russian newspaper Izvestiia ran a report that Hitler and Eva Braun were both alive and well, and living in a moated castle in Westphalia. This implied complicity on the part of the British, for Westphalia lay in the British zone of occupation. The report was followed by one in which an American lawyer wrote to Hoover at the Fbi to say that the former Fuhrer was living under the alias of Gerhardt Weithaupt in a house belonging to a certain Frau Frieda Haaf at Innsbruck. With Hitler, said this lawyer, was his personal physician, Dr Alfred Jodl.
Put yourself in Adolph’s shoes. You have at your personal disposal at minimum a number of Messerschmitt planes which can outrun all other aircraft of the day, and U-boats which are notorious for being as stealth as they get. You know that your losing the war, even if you don’t acknowledge it in public. Your guys have been building a post-war Nazi continuum underground movement headquartered in Madrid for several years. What do you do? Sit around in a bunker until it is too late (duh…) and then shoot your girlfriend and yourself before getting yourself burned beyond recognition? Or tell everyone that all is not lost, that the war is going underground and that their leader will remain at the helm. Rehearse the official story a few times and get your most loyal staff to sing the song to the enemy. Done deal.
Steele, you get this crap theory from Clark? Sounds like one of his HIV theories. Wonder if Clark is one of those PI’s who think they have found the driver of the car that James Dean died trying to swerve around. Of course we all know that person driving the car was a High School Driving Instructor.
You forgot another point.
If you see, that you´ll never live in the world you want to live (in Hitlers case the aryan world).
Do you want to live in that world.
Compare that too Martha Goebbels who killed her children and herself and said she doesn´t want them to live in a world like this.
You have to remember that Hitlers biggest (probably only dream) was to be the Master of the world and a world free of jews.
So, he certainly never would have see that dream come true.
and he would have faced the death penalty, like other huge Nazis (Göring, Göbbels) he didn´t want to give the statisfaction to the enemy.
And in I think 2002, Russia offered the chance to examine the head of Hitler by german forensic Mark Benecke, and they found out that this was Hitlers head, plus they found pieces of glass, from the cyanid pill.
And that Gerhard Weithaupt thing, come one Weisshaupt – Weithaupt. 😉
Its Magda Goebbels. I thought that all that was found of Hitler’s head was a small section of his jaw with teeth. There will always be conjecture because some of the witnesses either died before interrogation, were unreliable(esp those captured by the Russians) and the forensic work was sloppy…understandably so. The stories of the post Third Reich’s figures deaths are along the lines of the JFK conspiracy theories…Himmler was murdered by the British, the US helped Martin Bormann get to South America, Bormann was a Russian Spy and lived out the rest of his life in Russia, the US wanted to save Goring from the hangman and all the so called submarine escapes and plane escapes. The only sure escape plans were through the CIA & the Vatican. It gives one a headache.
You’re right fellas. Hitler really did kill himself. It was right after the Jews sent him the gas bill.
One thing I saw today was Henry Kissinger talking about Russian Jews and emigration to Israel to Nixon saying he wouldnt lift a finger if the Soviets started to gas their Jews. It was in a Christopher Hitchens’ article and he has no love for Mr Kissinger who he claims a war criminal…and I agree.
Of course, Kissinger is a war criminal, Larry. He’s also the first person Obama got a job from in Washington, which tells you everything you need to know about Uncle Barrack.
I recently saw an oval office photo of then President Gerald Ford standing in between two smiling advisors, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.
It’s these types of guys, who have been around forever who are running things in Washington, not puppet Presidents.
As Bill Hicks once said, “It’s just a handful of people that run everything… No matter what promises you make on the campaign trail- blah, blah, blah- when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialists, capitalist scum fucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down… and it’s a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you’ve never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll. … And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new President, ‘Any questions?’