FROM- latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porn-20101026,0,6936167.story
Health advocates, porn industry representatives debate workplace protection
At a meeting in Oakland sponsored by Cal/OSHA, the groups air their disagreements about industry practices and existing law. The major point of contention: condom use.
By Lee Romney, Los Angeles Times
October 26, 2010
Public health advocates, porn industry representatives and performers past and present gathered in Oakland on Monday to discuss workplace protection law and whether a more tailored regulation specifically requiring condom use on adult film sets is necessary.
The meeting was the fourth held by California’s Occupational Health and Safety Administration to invite public input and air disagreements about industry practices and the status of existing law.
A petition filed by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation late last year asked Cal/OSHA asking the agency to amend its regulations to directly require condom use during vaginal and anal sex in the adult film industry.
Current law regarding blood-borne pathogens applies across industries and was crafted in the 1990s for healthcare workers. Though it does require employers to take protective measures — including "barrier protection" — a Los Angeles-area porn performer’s recent positive HIV test has intensified the debate on the need for a more tailored law and stricter enforcement in the lucrative industry.
Condom use is common in gay pornography but rare among companies shooting porn for straight audiences.
Monday’s gathering revealed a deep rift between public health advocates eager for strict workplace protections and industry officials who assert that their approach of education, optional condoms and regular testing for infectious disease is working.
The Free Speech Coalition, composed of industry representatives, called Monday for education and testing practices to be written into regulations and suggested that medication could meet the definition of "barrier protection." Executive Director Diane Duke also maintained that "Patient Zeta," the recent performer who tested HIV-positive, contracted the virus outside of work and that testing prevented transmission of it within the industry.
"Our program works, over and over and over again," she said.
Frank Cambria, a lawyer who represents adult film businesses, warned that a more explicit — and widely enforced — condom regulation would merely send production to Mexico or underground, where workers would then have no protections at all.
More medical information is needed before final decisions are made on condom use for oral and vaginal sex acts, he said, noting that consensus seems more certain about condom use for anal sex.
"This will have a profound impact on a huge industry," he said. "I think the path we’re on is a good one…. But I don’t think we’re nearly there yet."
Cambria’s remarks prompted Cal/OSHA chief counsel Amy Martin to clarify: Condom use, she said, is already required by law. The issue under consideration is whether an ordinance focusing explicitly on condom use for the adult film industry is needed to prompt greater employer understanding and compliance.
State law must also meet the federal standard, which also requires barrier protection, she said.
Though the morning brought polite and constructive exchanges, by afternoon positions had become polarized.
Brian Chase, assistant general counsel of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, delivered a scathing assessment of the industry, saying it "doesn’t seem to think the rules apply to it."
"They want to pretend that ‘barrier’ means something other than barrier," said Chase, who called for a clear and simple rule and "aggressive enforcement" because of the industry’s poor compliance record so far.
Shelley Lubben, executive director of the Pink Cross Coalition, a group of former and current performers who educate workers about the law, called the industry disingenuous.
"They’re not confused. They don’t want to lose money," Lubben said, noting that she contracted herpes, human papillomavirus (HPV) and cervical cancer as a result of her work.
Cal/OSHA has conducted about 30 inspections on porn sets since an HIV outbreak in 2004, in response to complaints about the lack of condom use, Cal/OSHA spokeswoman Krisann Chasarik said in an earlier interview.
The largest fine, $66,665, was imposed on a company called Evasive Angles in 2006. The company was also cited in connection with the 2004 HIV outbreak in the industry, she said.
lee.romney@latimes.com
How in the hell does Shelley know she got cervical cancer from porn? She could have gotten it from a non porn sexual encounter…even a dirty toilet seat, well the HPV that is the precursor to cervical cancer.
LOL
Exactly how does Dian Duke know that patient zero contracted the disease outside of work?
Is she getting some kind of access to information that nobody else is getting?
Has AIM identified ‘who’ patient zero got HIV from?
And what abut all the “Q-LIST” performers who are NOT testing at AIM?
LARRY, regarding the argumetn of ON OR OFF screen contracting of disease,,,no matter where she, or patient zero got it from,,,the fact is they then take it with them and expose everyone of their fellow performers on every set!!!!!!
Larry, how do we know that patient zero got it OFF SET? And since the ‘gay’ performers on the list aent testing, or are testing elswhere than AIM, how could anyone possibly know,,as Kian Duke stated,,,that he got it off set? Does she know who he got it from? What a joke,,,,and rest assured,,,the OSHA guys arent faling for this one single bit.
I just got an email from LA Direct regarding the recent HIV scare and they are basically saying no more booking girls with guys who do both straight and gay scenes. Bravo! About fucking time this business came around!
Now I know that is going to really fuck one person in particular up who posts on this forum and I feel bad because I like him but health comes above all else and now I hope that my anti-escorting stance makes a little more fucking sense to some of you.
Many, but not all girls take condoms off for more money bringing higher risks to everyone in the business. It’s a fact that cannot be disputed.
Aside from the few workers who play both sides of the business just about everyone else agrees that male talent that appears in gay scenes should NOT be allowed to cross over and do straight scenes. Wonder how guys like Christian and Peter North are gonna feel about this.
I am going to continue to do scenes with people who are AIM tested 100 percent of the time. Just like I have for the past 5.5 years.
Mariah and I worked together and she is completely fine and healthy…..just like me.
Wow, thanks for sharing that info Mariah – normally I don’t have too much to say in regards to LA Direct, but in this particular situation I totally give Derek props for protecting the girls he reps from major potential health risks.
It’s all about not straddling the fence in this case and it looks like major players and picking the responsible side. Cool.
Mariah Milano and Monica Foster,
Have you performed homosexual acts with each other? One wonders…..
You’re both ugly females who should be drummed out of the porn biz.
{NL- Keep looking Applesmith….on some other site. You won’t be posting anyone’s real name on here, & i don’t have time to babysit. Go play somewhere else. XXXporntalk.com is open… (& They’ll have you for dinner!)} ***********
You girls aren’t pure, innocent creatures. You’re whores, pure and simple. You’re whores who are having sex – often homosexual – in order to make money. You carry diseases. You hypocritical whores hardly have the right to occupy the moral high ground.
Maybe we should reveal your real names to the public. I’m looking into it.
LOL applesmith. I think the boys in the white coats are looking for you. Apparently you have gone off your meds.
Hey applesmith, GAY SEX IS DISGUSTING! Go away! Women are so much better than men in many areas of life. They are also so much better than men at sex and that’s why real men want to see two lesbians and not two dudes.
Why you would want to stick your dick in a dude’s dirty asshole is beyond me….
If that makes me homophobic, then I am. So what? Gay sex is disgusting and I don’t like most gays I come in contact with. People like you are the reason why. I think you’re a disgrace to gay pride.
“Condom use is common in gay pornography but rare among companies shooting porn for straight audiences.”
Did anyone mention that despite the high prevalence of HIV+s in the gay community that the gay industry doesn’t require testing, while HIV is still mostly a gay disease, as it was originally called?
Did anyone mention the failure rate of condoms compared to the success rate of HIV+ transmission without a condom?
“Condom use is already required by law”? What is this, 1984?
Brian Chase, assistant general counsel of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, delivered a scathing assessment of the industry, saying it “doesn’t seem to think the rules apply to it.”
Someone should ask the people at AHF how the term “non-profit” applies to them when the average worker there makes $100,000+ per year!
I know they would like nothing better than to enforce their will against the will of performers, producers and consumers so they can put on their resume and billboards everywhere that they’re saving the lives of porn valley.
“We save porn stars’ lives!” I’m sure such a billboard will cause people to shed tears… from laughter.
HEY!! i think Monica Foster and Mariah are very beautiful women that belong in this Industry and not working for “shiteaters and Diseased Male peformers! So APPLESMITH..Go BACK TO THE GAY SIDE AND STAY THERE PLEASE….
Diane Duke says testing works,and I agree. It works so well that it has shown that over 4000 porn perfomers have tested postive for gonnoreah or chalmydia since 2003. Yes, testing works very well Diane, thanks for pointing that out.
CHristian says,,”I am going to contunue to do scenes with people who are AIM tested…”
AND there in lies the problem,,,,Christian will continue working.
But WHY OH WHY will he continue workin???Because PRODUCERS will HIRE him. In this whole debate,,the buck stops with the producers.Any and all change depends soley on the producers,,,becuase theyre the one
s who pay the bill.
This whole OSHA debate, as far as the ‘industry’ goes, isnt about performesh health, its about producers responsibility,,,FSC could care less about Barbie Blowme getting an std,,Diane Dukes job is to make sure the producer doesnt have to pay for it.
And how does Diane Duke know what she claims to know? Does she know where patient zero got infected, or where he didnt ger infected< and if she does, how did she get this information? How could she be told this,but not PERFORMERS. AIM's new 'dont ask becuase we wont tell' only goes so far. Seems the only people who are getting told are producers..Ever wonder why AIM WONT give a password to a performer,even if theyre willing to make the "DONATION?"(HIPPA possible cross partner results) Jerry, you never even thought of this either, have you, oh king of the conspiracy,,again, right under your nose for ten years and you missed it. You didnt even know the gay indutry was full of HIV( I still cant believe you really didnt know, that just cracks me up)
Jerry, wou must be very warm,,with all that wool pulled over your eyes.
joe know, you do realize that I produce 25-35 scenes a month right? that’s in addition to performing another 15-20 times. i have a great relationship with the agents and many other producers. i am in this business for the long run.
Trannyfucker, from what Mariah’s email from the Earl says he wouldnt book any of his girls to work with you…as a performer. I counted a grand total of Zero African American female performers on LA’s roster as of this morning.
Regarding your g/c std comment, Joe, let me come out of the closet on this one. In my humble opinion (the kind Bill Margold could never have), g/c tests are virtually worthless and pointless. But unlike HIV, which has been ascribed magical, mysterious qualities of both hiding in t-cells (to explain why it takes so long to get sick after infection) and then later suddenly killing t-cells, as well as an inexplicable latency period (the interval between exposure to a carcinogen, toxin, or disease-causing organism and development of a consequent disease) decades beyond the normal maximum window of several months, g/c symptoms appear within days of infection, so it’s very analogous to the condom stopping HIV point I made. The theory of HIV protection with a condom is like a ping pong ball being stopped by a hoola hoop. Likewise, testing every 30 days for a disease like g/c is much the same. You can catch gonorrhea or chlamydia easily and then get treated and cleared of it within 30 days time.
And while I’m out of the closet on that one, let me add that, IMHO, there is no evidence that HIV has ever been isolated. That’s why some people and organizations offer a reward from $10,000 to $1,000,000 if they can prove HIV even exists! I’m not making this up. We’ve all bought a gov’t sponsored lie and from there steamed forward without looking back from our point of origin. Robert Gallo stole his sample from Luc Montangnier, then Gallo and his colleagues abandoned the traditional method of retrovirus isolation. Then Gallo made his announcement without submitting his findings to peer review, which is scientific protocal. Then the AIDS business was born and virus- hunters have been on the payroll ever since.
Jerry,
You are so full of crap that from now on you shall be addressed as “Jeremiah Stool.”
Denial does not = refutation, Joe, you good little brainwashed puppy. Uncle $cam pats you on your little noggin. Maybe you should submit yourself to scientific research, like the double un-blinded studies Gallo orchestrated.
Jeremy Stool? Not that funny, Germy Steal was hard to beat. Gallo set back AIDS research for years cause of his ego, he screwed the French on the progress they were making and got the CDC so defensive that they had to kow tow to Gallo.
Christian,
As a producer(employer) how much do you budget for any health related costs for the perfomrers you hire?
I say zero dollars,,,how about you.
Do youpay for tests,,,do you pay for follow up tests AFTER stomeone has been exposed to blood borne pahhtogens on YOUR sets?
Do you carry workers comp insurance on your shoots?
Do you now, or will you continue to hire ‘crossover ‘talent? If youdo, do you inform the oother performers of eachothers work history,,,or do you even ask?(dont ask dont tell)
Do you think the perfromers on your set have any right to know the work history of the people that
YOU hired to work with them, and do YOU provide that information to them?
You have also written yourself that you have gotten goon?chlam four or five times……How many performers do you think YOU infected during your carreer?
Jerry Stool,
Your comments are irrelevant. Your alternative theories have no place in this debate regarding HIV and OSHA…NOTHING you write here is of any consequence,,,where as I on the other hand was the VERY FIRST person to break this HIV story ANYWHERE.Not bad for a troll eh, Mr. Stool?
And c’mon Larry, Jerry Stool is pretty good,,,perhaps we could combine the two and call him Germy Stool.
If nothing I write is of any consequence Joe, you wouldn’t be responding to me. Your response is a consequence of my prior response.
Again, AIDS was originally the combination of Gay Related Immune Deficiency (GRID) with whatever it was that was killing IV drug users…. HELLO? IV drugs were killing IV drug users! Why did doctors allow themselves to miss the obvious, and be conned into believing it’s a fucking virus and not drugs, nor even anything to do with drugs? Why else were addicts dying? Of course if they have to only go along Gallo’s lines of a virus killing IV addicts, then go figure there’s not a lot of thinking or research into what was killing gays. Ok, let’s assume it’s because of all the buttsex. Why were IV addicts linked with gays? Why the fuck is HIV responsible for 29 old diseases (none which are new)? This scam is unbelievable!
HIV is claimed to kill t-cells it infects. If it kills them, then there’s no way it can hide for 10-20-30 years.
The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of HIV-AIDS Hypothesis
includes, just to name the first few:
Charles A. Thomas, Jr. Ph.D. (Mol. Biologist, Pres. Helicon Fnd., San Diego, CA)
Harvey Bialy, Ph.D. (Editor Bio/Technology, New York, NY)
Harry Rubin, D.V.M. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
Richard C. Strohman, Ph.D. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
Phillip E. Johnson (Prof. Law, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
Gordon J. Edlin, Ph.D. (Prof. Biochem. & Physics, Univ. Hawaii, HI)
Beverly E. Griffin, Ph.D. (Dir. Dept. Virology, Royal Postgrad. Med. School, London, UK)
Robert S. Root-Bernstein (Prof. Physiology, Michigan State Univ., East Lansing, MI)
Gordon Stewart, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Public Health, Epidemiologist, Isle of Wight, UK)
Carlos Sonnenschein, M.D. (Tufts Univ., Medicine, Boston, MA)
Richard L. Pitter, Ph.D. (Dessert Research Inst., Univ. Nevada System, Reno NV)
Nathaniel S. Lehrman, M.D. (Psychiatrist, Roslyn, NY)
John Lauritsen (Author ‘Poison by Prescription’, New York, NY)
William Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY)
Claudia Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY)
Frank R. Buianouckas Ph.D. (Prof. Mathematics, Cuny, Bronx, NY)
Philip Rosen, Ph.D. (Prof. Physics, Univ. Mass. Amherst, MA)
Steven Jonas, M.D. (Prof. Preventive Medicine, Suny Stony Brook, NY)
Bernard K. Forscher, Ph.D (Ret. Editor Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci., Santa Fe, NM)
Kary B. Mullis, Ph.D. (Biochemist, PCR inventor, Consultant, reciprient of Nobel Prize, La Jolla, CA.)
Jeffrey A. Fisher, M.D. (Pathologist, Mendham, NJ)
ARE YOU SMARTER THAN ALL OF THEM JOE???????
Cast off as irrelevant all that they say before even examining it! BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.aidstruth.org/new/sites/default/files/lying-denialists_0.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism
Here is a quote from oneof the people on Germy Stools’s list,,,robert Bernstein<<<<"The denialtis make claims that are clearly inconsistent with existing studies."
Another often quoted aids denialst says,,,Josheph Sonneband…"Some individuals who believe that HIV plays no role at all in AID have implied that I supornt their misguided vie,,,,by including inapporpriate references to me in their literaure. BEFORE HIV was discovered and it associaltion with AIDS established< i held the veiw that the couse of AIDS was then unknown. I have successfully treated hundred of AIDS patiesnt with antiretroviralmedications, and have NO DOUBT that HIV plays a necessary role in this disease."
Exactly how OLD is this list Germy Stool…and if you read the link I just provided(granted it is wikipedia),,you will see several of the sources Germy Stoll has cited before who have since changed their stance,,,of course Jermy Stool prefers to give you lists form 1993.
And the link above,,as long as it is,, goes into detail about the intentional misrepresentation of support form people in the scientific community who have never been AIDS denialists.
JOURNAL OF MEDICAL ETHICS(2008)
The group of denialists regularly ponts to a substantial number of scientists supporntive of its agenda to re-evaluate HIV/AIDS hypothesis. Someof those members stll listed are people who have been DEAD for a number of years. While it is correct that these people supported the objective of a scientific re-evaluation of the HIV/AIDS link when they were alive, it is clearly difficult to ascertain what these people would have made of the evidence for HIV as the CURCIAL CAUSATIVE agent in AIDS, which occurred in the years after their deaths…"
You keep right on citing your 15-20 year old DEAD scourece Germy Stool.
And to answer your question Germy Stool,,,some of them,,,not all of them.
Germy Stool,
What YEAR is the list you provided above from? LOL
http://web.archive.org/web/19990218064509/www.virusmyth.com/aids/group.htm
LOL Your list is from 1991,,
Germy Stoo, Tool, and Fool.
You’re the germy stool, Joe, you stupid piece of shit. virusmyth dot com. Check it out. You’ll find the answers to your irrelevant questions there. It’s updated. Learn first, lecture second. Thankyou!
“I am dying with the help of too many physicians.”
—Alexander the Great
“Doctors pour drugs of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, into human beings of which they know nothing.” —Voltaire
“The pathology lies not with us, but with the biomedical establishment…[The war on “AIDS” is] the medicalization of the continuing pogrom against gays, particularly gay men.” —Fred A. Cline, Jr. (fyi: pogrom means slaughter)
“Get with the program and take your AZT.” – Michael Ellner (AZT was a “therapy” drug which literally had a skull and crossbones on the label and originally deemed “too toxic for human consumption”- approved by our friends at the FDA)
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/hivaids/understanding/howhivcausesaids/pages/hivcausesaids.aspx
I decided to pull a Germy Stool here and pulled out this little gem from 20 years ago. The first part of this is kind of technical, but in laymans terms. Abou 3/4 of the way down it gets into debunking the aids denialists.
Science has come a LONG way in the last 20 years. Its been very exciting.
A post of mine with a link is still in moderation.
Hey Mariah Milano,
I just thought of something you should ask your agent Derek – considering that Phoenix Marie is Christian’s girlfriend (as far as most of us fan girls and boys are aware)… is he going to hold off on booking her as well along with the girls he’s barring the “cross overs” from working with? Because as far as I’m concerned, as long as big ass blonde Phoenix Marie is fucking Christian bts – she’s no less “contaminated” than her man…Penthouse centerfold or not…(but then again maybe she’s got that CCR5 32 genetic mutation…AIM – u gotta come clean on what you’re actually testing for).
Also why in the hell is Billy Glide still on LA Direct’s site? Is he still booking crossovers but not allowing his female clients to work with them or what? This makes no fucking since to the wannabe Mulders out here in the real world.
Nothing is making sense to me at this point – I know the truth is out there – why can’t anyone tell it to the people who want to know what it is? It’s irritating at this point…
Unless I missed something Phoenix and C3X are long gone, though he has tried to make amends with some folks this year. The Earl would have to shut down almost his whole roster if he had girls who worked with crossover guys, in fact the whole pool is basically contaminated, one could link Charlie Sheen and Tiger into this pool being with girls who have worked with crossovers…and anyone who’s seen girls at the Bunny Ranch and so on. Monica, get Mariah to ask the Earl why his roster has been light on African American girls. I would like to know what that limey jackass has to say.
That link is chock full of lies, Joe.
“Worldwide Pandemic” – False.
“Caused by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)” –
False. The co-discoverer Luc Montagnier admits HIV may be harmless. Robert Gallo now admits HIV needs co-factors (multi-factorial) to cause AIDS.
HIV fails Koch’s Postulates. It can not successfully regenerate the disease in samples. Gallo originally provided correlative data (correlation does not prove causation) in less than 50% of samples and Koch’s Postulates state it must provide 100% of the time.
“HIV can be detected in virtually everyone with AIDS.” – another lie. There’s plenty of existing data of patients with HIV and no AIDS diseases. Also AIDS is a collection of old diseases. There’s plenty of people with diseases on the AIDS list with the absence of HIV.
This link is just like Michael Chertoff’s cousin Benjamin’s Pop Mechanics spin piece on 911, which is controlled spin
just like the Zelikow Bush handpicked 911 Commission, which is just like JFK assassination Warren Commission. Believe in magic bullet theories, too, Joe?
Reality is too technical for you, Joe. There’s too much money in the AIDS industry, it’s one sided. THAT’S WHY THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SAID GOV’TS AND NON PROFIT ORGS SKEW STATISTICS!
And why is that gay HIV+ porn star’s long term bareback lover HIV-? Pandemic, my ass!
Thanks Larry for the 411 – thank God Phoenix came to her senses.
As far as LA Direct not having any chocolate girls – I’m GLAD, because I don’t want any of my sisters exposed to this current potential life threatening situation as of current.
But as for the Earl being light on the “dark meat” – he’s intimidated by black women, plain and simple – Generally petite men like him who are insecure of their own racial “purity” are.
I swear – every time I see a photo of that Derek guy I feel like I’m looking at a bad imitation of the guy who played “Pharaoh” in the Charleston Heston movie “Moses – 10 Commandments”. Makes me wish I had 2 giant tablets I could write “though shalt not book thy new to the industry clients with Christian XXX” on.
And since you like to dismiss old data then certainly Robert Gallo needs to be dismissed. In 1984 he said the LIKELY cause of AIDS has been found. Even he didn’t claim it was definitive. Gallo was later convicted of “scientific misconduct”. Did you know that, Joe, or are you a denialist? Throw away Gallo’s old data. Excellent idea. The guy Gallo stole his sample from, Luc Montagnier says “HIV might be benign” and Gallo later admitted that HIV can not cause AIDS; it needs co-factors which are yet to be determined. Well that’s like saying farting on Wednesday will kill you in 10-30 years, however there is still some undetermined co-factor which will one day kill you, so you better plug in your butthole on Wednesdays or you will DIE!!! Also, don’t forget to not walk under ladders or have sex on Friday the 13th!
Jerry, with all due respect most of what you are saying is dangerous bullcrap. There is SOME truth to what you are saying, though. Please refer to this article:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/ragon-paper-0506.html
Germy Stool quotes,,,”NON PROFITS SKEW STATISTICS”
You mean like AIM?
Here’s an introduction to the HIV/AIDS controversy from the virusmyth dot com website:
For 25 years, thinking people have been reevaluating the HIV=AIDS hypothesis. The number of biomedical scientists saying that the cause of AIDS is still unknown has been growing by leaps and bounds since the initial HIV discovery announcement in April 1984. Either scientists do not see evidence for a lethal virus called HIV — saying that it has never really been isolated — or they assert that the virus is harmless.
In April 1984, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Margaret Heckler announced to the world at a press conference that an American government scientist had discovered the probable cause of AIDS. This claim, made in the absence of the usual scrutiny and debate that is provided by refereed publication, was nonetheless received as fact by the general scientific community, and without further investigation a vast research program was launched. Based on the proposition that the newly identified retrovirus, termed HIV, is responsible for the apparently irreversible destruction of T-helper cells characteristic of AIDS patients, this program has until now been unsuccessful at providing either a vaccine or a cure, and has resulted in public health policies that are of questionable value in preventing the spread of AIDS.
Since 1987, data contradicting a single-virus etiology of AIDS have been accumulating. As a result, a loosely affiliated worldwide network of scientists – The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis – was formed in an attempt to bring about an impartial investigation of the question that was inadequately considered in 1984:
Is HIV really the cause of AIDS?
As an explanation for the origin of AIDS, the HIV hypothesis is implausible because it contradicts a number of established principles of virology and immunology. It is also at variance with a growing body of empirical observations.
Some Examples:
Retroviruses do not typically kill their host cells. On the contrary, they depend on continued replication of the host for their own survival.
Viruses typically cause disease shortly after infection, before the immune system of their host can respond. There is no other example of a viral pathogen which causes primary disease only after long and unpredictable latent periods, only in the presence of neutralizing antibodies, and in the virtual absence of gene expression, as HIV is said to do.
The number of HIV carriers in the U.S. has remained constant at one million since 1985, when widespread antibody testing was introduced, yet new viruses spread exponentially in a susceptible population.
AIDS has remained confined to the same risk groups since it was first identified as a new disease syndrome, and there are many fewer cases than predicted.
Approximately 75% of American hemophiliacs have been infected with HIV for more than 10 years. According to the HIV hypothesis at least 50% should have died of AIDS by now, yet mortality among hemophiliacs has not increased and only 2% of HIV-positive hemophiliacs develop AIDS indicator-diseases annually.
The same diseases are found in similar frequencies in HIV positive and HIV negative intravenous drug users, and the overall mortality in the two groups is the same.
The HIV antibody tests are not standardised. No gold standard has been used and may not even exist to determine specificity. The tests are also not reproducible. The proteins which are considered to be specific to HIV may in fact represent normal cellular proteins. A positive test may represent nothing more than cross-reactivity with the many non-HIV antibodies present in AIDS patients and those at risk.
Despite these and many other inconsistencies, the HIV-AIDS hypothesis remains the sole basis for the public health policies that are aimed at controlling the spread of AIDS by advocating (1) “safe-sex” practices, (2) the use of “clean” needles to inject toxic, unsterile drugs, and (3) the long-term administration of potent metabolic poisons, like AZT, which are claimed to prolong the lives of HIV-infected persons; and for research programs directed almost exclusively at developing pharmaceuticals designed to interfere with HIV replication.
Stool,
What a burden you must bear. Youknow all of these ‘truths’ that the rest of the world is so ignarantof. How can someone like you , who knows the truth about all of these conspiracies, still be nothitn more that an “C” list porn mope?
Surely you are so much more intelligent than the rest of the medical community, how is it that you arent a world leader in this battle against the HIV conspiracy? Certainly your superiour knowledge could be put to better use than arguing your case on a porn message board.
Or you could just go to OSHA meetings and talk about auto related accidental deaths.
Or you could stand on a street corner on your soap box, with your megaphone, and inform the world how we have all been duped,,,of course, you will probably need two soap boxes.
Typical loser response, Dingleberry Joe. You prove why it is you believe what you believe, and thus answer your own question…. it’s what you’ve been told/sold to be true. Now you are using the same point I use against you against me. You’re the one who thinks you’re so much smarter than the scientists with advanced degrees and nobel prizes who dispute the HIV hypothesis and present Gallo’s corrupt history, which is the foundation of that hypothesis. Your mind has been made up for a you a long time ago, and typical of losers who can’t stand the heat of anything which challenges their preconditioned beliefs, you toss out hostilties, insults and name callings to back up your argument. Instead of attacking the messenger why don’t you examine or address some of the points? You can’t. HIV remains in the same risk groups all these years. IV drug users are dying at the same rate whether they are HIV negative or positive. As numerous scientists point out, HIV can not have supernatural qualities of both killing the t-cell host and hiding in it for years. We’re still being told JFK was killed by a lone assasin with a magic bullet. Your brain is owned, but not by you.
Answer this one question, asshole… How can AIDS be an “epidemic/pandemic” with the 0.3% chance of transmission, and a gay long-term bareback couple, one who is HIV+ and the other HIV-?
LIES. Obvious lies, except to an orwellian nonthink/doublethink society controlled by “official sources” and corporate/political propaganda.
Whoa, Jeremy. We KNOW HIV is a retrovirus because we have hyper-spectral images detailing their form and behavior. What are you talking about?
As for your bareback couple example please see: “New insights into the mystery of natural HIV immunity” – Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Quick Origin, go to virusmyth dot com and collect your reward! They’re offering money if you could locate the HIV retrovirus!!!
But regardless of whether or not HIV exists we have this problem:
That PCR test we porno hos take and depend on to tell us whether we’re HIV+ was invented by this guy who said:
“If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document.”
– Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry:
And Joe the Moron may say that’s an old quote but it was 9 years after Gallo made his claim that the likely cause of AIDs has been found… again, which is the foundation of everything we are sold to believe today.
And that article you mentioned mentions the potential enormously long latency periods for HIV to become AIDS. It doesn’t claim that HIV remains undetected for years only that “a small number of people exposed to the virus progress very slowly to AIDS — and some never develop the disease at all.”
It doesn’t say that HIV can not be detected, only that it may not cause any disease… therefore my point about the gay bareback longterm couple, one HIV+, the other HIV-, still has not been satisfactorily answered!
However, it’s not a small number, but a much larger one, that progress very slowly or not at all, and it’s a lie that “when people become infected by HIV, it’s usually only a matter of time, barring drug intervention, until they develop full-blown AIDS.”
As 14 NIH grant reciprient Peter Duesberg has said,
“There’s no such thing as a slow virus, only slow virologists”. If someone is infected, the laws of nature state the latency period between infection and disease can not be any longer than a few months, at most, otherwise, one’s own white blood cells will fight it off. It has to proliferate expodentially otherwise the body’s own immune system will eradicate it. HIV can not, both infect the t-cell and hide in the t-cell it infects. If it infects it it isn’t hiding!
Germy,
How is it that youre not a world recongnized expert on this subject. Imean for gods sake, all this knowledge and the only place you have been published on the subject is on a porn industry message board.
Germy, what about all those people ont he 1991 list you printed that have since completely changed their opinion, and have asked to be REMOVED from that list.
Your twenty year old references are JOKE,,,many on that list have come to the scientific conclusion that HIV cuases AIDS. Several on the list you printed are active in the ‘ANTI DENIALIST’ movement that they were once part of.
Germy Stool, you need to stop believing everything you read on the internet.
my links above have answers to every single one of your DENIALIST arguments,,,every single one,,,,,but as you say, “”ITs chock full of lies”<<<and if you read it you will see one section where it talks about the DENIALTS claim that EVERYBODY ELSE isl lying, except themselves of course,,,,,,You lunatic whackos are all the same,,,,accuse others of g=being ignorant, and of course , as you have stated before, you ahve your SOURCES,,just like all the other lunatics. Your DENIIALST tactics are amatuer at best, and laughable at worst,,and the more you stick to your LUNATIC DENIALIST claims the more of a joke you show yourself to be.
I dont continue this debate with you to change your mind, I continue it to show what a FOOL you are,,,and anybody who reads this site can see you for what you are,,,A MORON of the highest degree,,,and the funniest thing is how simple it is to bait you to continue to make your LUNATIC tirades.
Got any more 2o year old referneces for us GERMY STOOL?
Stay tuned Joe, he who does not know, for you and the entire porn industry are going to be in for quite a surprise. It’s gonna be hell for some of the assholes like yourself and euphoria for others. I just got off the phone with someone who is gonna be instrumental in putting you scumbags in your place once and for all!
I very much need to thank you, “Joe know”, because without your constant abuse I probably would have not ended up reaching the source I just have reached. And it turns out that he and I are mutually very appreciative of having reached each other.
Thanks again, Joe and…
Stay tuned!
🙂
And like all DENIALISTS, Stool here refers to anyone who doesnt agree with him as scumbags, a common tactic used by the lunatic fringe.
Bring all your lunatic denialists here you want Stool, it doesnt change the fact that HIV causes AIDS. Oh boy, Germy Stool is getting in contact with his ‘sources’
I continue this debate with you to show what a fool you are,,and you never disappoint,,,,bring on your mystery source Stool,,we will laugh at him too.
Germy,
Arent YOU the one who, after ten years in porn, didnt even know about the severityof the HIV problem in the gay industry unti “I” wrote about it here.
And IF “I” dont know,,then how come “I” was the FIRST to report the new HIV case in the industry,,,the first anywhere, mainstream press included?
How is it that I dont know,,,but actually YOU are the one who had no clue about any of this unti “I” told you? LOL
YOU did not even know that the money you give to AIM is a DONATION to a non porfit organization!!!
Ten years in the porn industry and YOU DID NOT KNOW ANY OF THIS,,,and that is a fact you cannot deny, can you?
I’m willing to learn, Joe, unlike you… no I wasn’t as well versed in the gay industry as you I guess are… and you started this, scumbag, you disrespected me numerous times because I had a different opinion than you, and now you’re using the same point I make and have made about you, about me.
You are a servant of evil, whether witting or not, and soon that will be proven to you… and all of you…
Stay tuned.
And again, I sincerely thankyou for being such the asshole that you are, because I likely would have not been so compelled to roll up my sleeves for real and teach you and a few others a few things…
And when the beans are spilled I will be sure to, once again, thank “Joe Know”, for without his help, some of you may have achieved the agendas you set out to achieve…. which of course, is always, first and formost…. $$$.
I don’t understand what you’re talking about Jerry. We have tons of evidence proving the the retroviral nature of HIV. Please search for retroviridae images on virology.net and STUDY HIV MORPHOLOGY. Study their spherical shape and their tiny spikes…
If you don’t believe those photos, call UCLA’s Microbiology dept and request a meeting with Dr. Benhur Lee (bleebhl@ucla.edu) or any other virologist. Tell them you are a porn actor and ask to see a sample of the virus.
HIV denial is a serious thing. Several people, including a Los Angeles woman several years ago, died from refusing anti-retroviral drug therapy. Oh yeah, you probably think those people died in a conspiracy–discuss that with Dr. Lee instead of preying on our lack of virological expertise.
The number for Dr. lee’s lab is: 310-206-8792
I’ll be presenting some Earth shattering news, Origen, pretty soon, so hold on to your helmets and stay tuned…
And Thankyou for your compassion and concern…
And, btw, the woman you are referring to was Christine Maggiore. She was a friend of mine, who I knew since 1996 and had done volunteer work for. The cause of her death, at age 52, was officially cited as AIDS related pneumonia (pneumonia is an old pre-AIDS disease), and I would add probably a broken heart, due to the loss of her baby daughter, Eliza, which the AIDS establishment terrorized and blamed her for.
Christine hired a veterinary toxicologist to review the autopsy report and produced a report attributing Eliza Jane’s death to an allergic reaction to amoxicillin, rather than AIDS, so pharmaceutical drugs/murder may have been the cause of the child’s death.
Christine’s husband, filmmaker Robin Scovill, has repeatedly tested negative despite what Christine described as “a decade of normal, latex-free relations”. Their son Charlie, born in 1997, has also tested negative for HIV.
Again, as I said, stay tuned for some Earth shaking revelations. No Joke!
wtf happened to my additional comment? poof! FUCK!!!! why does this happen Cindi??
Again, I know the woman you’re talking about, Origen, Christine Maggiore. She was a friend of mine I did volunteer work for, who died of pneumonia, blamed on AIDS. She probably also died of a broken heart. Her baby daughter Eliza died and Christine was terrorized for it, although, the child might have died from toxic pharm drugs/murder, an allergic reaction to amoxicillin. Her husband she had unprotected sex with for 12 years is HIV negative and so is her son.
Cindi, I wrote a more detailed response twice now which, after I sent it, went “poof” and disappeared to Origen’s point about the woman “denialist”. I knew, was friends with and did volunteer work for her and would prefer to be heard on this but of course… “poof”! gone… figures!
Christine Maggiore’s husband of 12 years (of unprotected sex) is HIV negative and so is her son. She died a few years after her heartbreaking loss of her daughter, Eliza, who according to a toxicologist died of pharm drugs for allergies. Christine died of pneumonia (an old disease) blamed on AIDS and probably a broken heart following all the mainstream terrorism of how she supposedly killed her daughter.
Oh Jerry, if you were friends with Christine that makes matters even worse.
You can’t just pull quotes and expect to be an expert on an issue as serious as this. You need to seriously study virology (that means conducting scientific experiments with LIVE specimens and subjects) before you can espouse polemics. Theories like yours MAY have cost your friend’s and her daughter’s life. I know you don’t think so but don’t you think its a little chilling that maybe just MAYBE her denial of HIV killed herself and her daughter?
Like I said, your argument would be a whole hell of a lot more compelling if you conducted controlled scientific experiments and subjected them to the peer review process.
Maybe this. Maybe that…. We’re about to put all maybes to rest, Origen. Stay tuned… This whole AIDS industry has been corrupted from the start and all things are coming to a head soon. It’s much like that Al Pacino/ Russell Crow movie, “The Insider” on the tobacco industry, except the AIDS industry has become more corrupt and influential.
STAY TUNED. You are about to have your mind blown.
… and I agree about peer review, something Gallo never did before the “likely cause of AIDS” annoucement was made.
Thanks for pronouncing my sn right. I named it after a person…
http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/answering_denialists
Germy Stool,
I am honored that I have inspired you to make this historical, or should I say hysterical, announcement.
We look forward to your EARHT SHATTERING new, and I look forward to being exposed as an SERVANT OF EVIL.
ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION
BREAKING NEWS
Former “C” list porn performer Germy Stool will be making and ‘earth shattering” annoucment, and will reveal the servants of evil who have perpetratted the largest conspiracy and fraud in the history of manking, the HIV/AIDS myth. Spurred into action by his nemesis, the agent of evil Joe Know, Germy has decided that NOW is the time to exopose this conspiracy to the world.
Germy has announced,”This whole AIDS industry has been corrupted from the start and all things are coming to a head soon. Its much like the Al Pacino/Russel Crow movie,”The Insider.”
The readers of a popular adult industry website, Luke Is Back, are waiting with baited breath for the hysterical announcement. It is also rumored, as most things are on LIB, that the servant of evil, commonly known as Joe Know, has been hospitalized due to lack of oxygen to the brain after suffering an uncontrollable laugh attack for longer than four hours, after hearing the news of Stool’s upcoming announcement.
Stay tuned,,,Germy is about to show “ALL OF YOU”
how ignorant you have been.
Honestly Stool, I dont know whether to thank you, pity you, or ask someone to call Lucky and have her check up on you. You are delusional, seriously, and you need help, professinal help, and you need it before you attempt to jump this shark. Happy landing Stool, and actually, I am sorry for causing your breakdown.
Wasnt Gallo’s Likely cause of AIDS” statement made in 1984,,,TWENTY SIX YEARS AGO.
Perhaps, four years into the “HIV era” the statement was premature,,,but in the last 26 years, it has been proven to be true.
Loking forward to your EARTH SHATTERING news Germy Stool. To think that I actually provided the inspiration for you to identify the servants of evil, who have perpetrated the largest conspiracy and hoax the world has ever seen, is truely a priveledge. And to think that you, Germy Stool, are going to break this EARTH SHATTERING news right here on LIB, Cinidi must be exstatic. I see a pulitzer coming here.
“This whole AID industry has been corrupted from the start, and ALL THINGS are coming to a head soon….Much like the Al Pacino/russel Crow movie,,,,LO mother fucking L.
“Servants of evil”
“You are about to have your mind blown”
“I will be presenting EARTH SHATTERING new”
“Without his help you may have acheived your agendas”
“Puting you scumbags in your place once and for all”
“Lies. Obvious lies, except to an orwellian nothing/doublthink society, controlled by “oficial sources’ and corproate political propoganda”
But our hero Germy Stool sees throug all this and is going to save us all from our ignorance. Perhaps one day the world will recognize you for the super hero you are, the one who saved us from the servants of evil. Created from a sinlge cell of anal bacteria, enlightened by the denialst movement, faster than a speeding rtd bus, able to leap to conclusions in a single thought, look, in the sky, its a turd, its a stain, its Germy Stool.
0.3% chance of transmission,,,tell that to Lara, Missy, and Jesica, all three infected by one man within 24 hours of eachother
Origen,
What is your medical/science backround. You’re obvioulsy educated on this subject.
Yeah, that’s right, Joe. To you you he sounds fabulously intelligent. Straight out of the 101 textbooks. Someone should conduct a controlled experiment on you… Meanwhile independent reevaluation has been proferred for years and ignored or rejected.
STAY TUNED!…
Compared to you Germy, Corky, form “Life goes On” sounds fabuloulsy intelligent.
I have a comment on moderation Stool, cant wait till you see it.
ps. did you read my link to the Anti Denailast site,,,,especially the parts that are “WORD FOR WORD” some of your denialist arguments,,,”chock full of lies”….and give the same reasons for Maggorie’s death,,from the sress, ,, stress form media terroism,,,WORD FOR WORD Germy Stool,,,looks like youre the one using the DENIALIST 101 hand book,,,,they quote you WORD FOR WORD Germy…LOL
Any more 20 year old references for us Germy?
That’s right Jerry, I’m just a dood who took BIOL 101/102. Which is why what you are talking about doesn’t sound factual or believable.
Jerry, you’re a cool guy. But considering the fact that you are such a public figure (given your involvement and advocacy in the Industry) your denial of HIV–and your coincidental opposition to condoms in porn–make you seem like an ignorant and irresponsible person.
Like I said before, unless you have performed controlled scientific experiments using HIV samples and living test subjects please do not spread the belief that HIV is harmless. This issue is too serious for arguments solely based on words, anecdotes, or hypotheses. We need hardcore, relevant, CRITICAL data (data that has been reviewed by a diverse group of virologists).
I agree Origen, we need data that has been reviewed by a diverse group of virologists.
The hypothesis of HIV and AIDS is not and can not be based on science, but has become a religion, and questioning or challenging the tenets of the religion has become heresy, with likewise reactions.
The hypothesis that the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) is caused by an exogenous retrovirus, the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), initially proposed in the early 1980s, has exclusively dominated AIDS research for the past 26 years, although MANY investigators have repeatedly stressed the lack of scientifically acceptable verification of this hypothesis.
In May 2000, the controversy concerning HIV and the antiretroviral (ARV) drugs used to treat it became the topic of international inquiry when President Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, convened a debate between 35 academic scientists, “Orthodoxers” as well as “Rethinkers” together. A similar debate took place in 2003 at the European Parliament in Brussels, Belgium, when Paul Lannoye, a Belgian member of parliament, organized a public debate on “AIDS in Africa.”
Reports by AIDS Rethinkers are readily accessible on numerous websites, the early and most significant ones being VirusMyth, Rethinking AIDS, The Perth Group, Sidasante, and Heal . org. In spite of innumerable scientific and public conferences and publications by AIDS Rethinkers, many in the medical community either ignore, or bluntly reject the existence of any HIV controversy, or claim that AIDS “denialism” undermines AIDS prevention. As a result, the monumental budgets allocated throughout the world to combat AIDS have been, and still are totally and exclusively restricted to HIV research. This can neither be explained nor justified by the lack of alternative hypotheses of AIDS causation, since non-viral factors (chemical, pharmacological, nutritional, and behavioral) associated with the clinical symptoms attributed to AIDS have been well documented and reviewed by others.
The retroviral hypothesis linking HIV to AIDS received a precipitous acceptance, not on the basis of scientifically verifiable data, but based on a so-called “consensus”—a consensus enthusiastically supported by the pharmaceutical industry.
Stay tuned because soon I will be presenting some Earth-shaking, myth-shattering news… news which has been self-evidently suppressed by the major news media but which is 100% irrefutable.
“The retroviral hypothesis linking HIV to AIDS received a precipitous acceptance, not on the basis of scientifically verifiable data, but based on a so-called “consensus”—a consensus enthusiastically supported by the pharmaceutical industry.”
This makes no sense. For a decade the pharmaceutical industry was totally unequipped to combat the retroviral nature of HIV. Retroviral drugs did not exist until 1987. So the pharmacological response to HIV sprouted up WELL AFTER the scientific explanation and discovery of the virus. Even today drugs are only moderately helpful in combating the infection.
LOOK, MAN. We have evidence of the retroviral nature of HIV. Call the lab or email Dr. Lee and ask to see the virus for yourself!
I’m tired of arguing this with you and honestly wish you would shut up. You are TAKING ADVANTAGE of our ignorance to push an agenda that we cannot adequately refute. I’m not a medical doctor (hell, I’m not even a nursing assistant), I’m not a microbiologist, and I’m not a virolgist. HOW CAN I PROVE TO YOU THAT HIV CAUSES AIDS? I don’t have the resources to do that. Dr. Lee does–so go argue this issue with him!
Until you have presented controlled scientific experiments using live test subjects and have your findings subjected to the peer review process–I won’t believe you and no one should.
This should never be about faith, Origin. Don’t believe anything I say… instead verify it:
According to the Centers for Disease Control
1987 MMRW 36 (Suppl IS):3S ISS
93% of AIDS cases out of NYC and San Francisco (which accounted for 1/3rd of AIDS cases in the U.S.) were done without any tests for HIV. They were presumptive diagnosis. IF HIV is the cause of AIDS then why were doctors diagnosing people with AIDS based on “AIDS related symptoms” and no tests?
Doctor Lee can’t with any still photographs say “There it is! See! It’s a killa!” because Gallo himself nor anyone else has proven anything.
I have posted several articles describing scientific observations and you say there is no proof?
I’m not talking about photographs. I’m talking about actually looking into a microscope and seeing a sample of the virus!
In 1987, 3 years after Gallo’s “discovery” and NIH annoucement, the corrupt FDA approved AZT, a drug, which literally had a picture of a skull and crossbones on it, and was originally deemed “too toxic for human consumption”. It has been clearly proven that the drug itself causes AIDS like symptoms. Gallo a retrovirologist, for years, was pushing theories that a virus caused diseases like leukemia and lymphoma, in the hope of receiving funding. Gay activists, putting enormous pressure on the government for a cure in conjunction with Gallo’s opportunism is what lead to Gallo’s annoucement, and then a huge pouring of money out to virus hunters to find a cure along Gallo’s lines. There, an industry was born, and Gallo patented an HIV test kit which tests for antibodies associated with HIV, a test which has made him millions of dollars but which has been proven to be dubious, to say the least, as antibodies are not specific to any virus and are indicative of the body’s own immune system eradicating any kind of foreign microbe.
Glaxo Wellcome is responsible for genocide with it’s AZT “too toxic for human consumption” being pushed on people, many of them sick to begin with, for long term, continual use to kill an alleged killer retrovirus which might not in itself kill you for 10-20-30 years…
Gallo is corrupt, but once the big pharm got involved, the level of corruption and mind control propaganda through gov’t and “not-for-profits” became staggering.
And again, whoever has proof of a virus, go to virusmyth dot com and collect your reward!
Please go see the virus for yourself.
Jerry, please lets drop it. This is a porn blog.
Cindi, post some booty pictures!!!
OMG Origen, it looks so scary!!!!
Someone should dress up as one for Halloween.
Yeah, it actually is pretty scary. Have you seen the way the virus breaks your blood cell membranes and takes over? Of course not. You have not been to the lab…
LO effing L
Here is Germy stools ‘EARHT SHATTERING’ news.
http://www.aidstruth.org/features/2009/clark-baker-ex-cop-and-homophobic-right-wing-blogger
A fired LAPD cop,,,Absolutely Zero medical education, actually,,,no college education of any kind.
Whattya know, Joe. You’ve posted in the wrong section, you idiot. And where-ever you’re getting your ideas from, duly note he’s been successful in 13 straight cases within a year, so that’s pretty good for an allegedly “uneducated person”, as you idiotically claim. He also presents some interesting footage from the source. He must be an accidental gold finder.
whoa, you guys should take it outside, the other posts are much more interesting.
the early of ladirect used to do gay, is he gonna ban himself?
btw, i think ladirect and fsc are working together on some sort of producer program directed towards safer sets.. i was sent a copy, think it came from xbiz somehow.
@monica
i think the earl looks just like the bad guy in robin hood, i almost had nightmares after watching the movies.
one can hope the feds take him down now that they are doing these escort/prostitution raids..
joe knows not enuf but almost..
christian x and earl are buddies btw, cant you tell.
every sunday they play basketball together (who knows what happens in the shower after…)
I’m sorry you find the subject boring, Sire, although that’s a good part of the reason we’ve allowed ourselves to be bamboozled by the drug mafia.
Jerry, that douchebag Clark Baker has bamboozled you. Considering he is trying to interfere with Ana Marie’s AIDS treatment Cindi should ban his ass for trolling.
And you have proven nothing. You have NOT provided controlled scientific results that have been subjected to the peer review process. You haven’t even looked into a microscope–how can you know the truth?
It seems you’re jumping to conclusions rather fast, O.
You got the burden of proof all backwards! I’m not going to repeat the punchline again!
Stay tuned…
http://cando42.blogspot.com/
Here’s Germy Stool’s guy. Stright from his own website. And look at that resume,,now there are some irrefutable credentials. How dare we mere mortals question this guys expertise in ht efield of HIV research.
LOL, scroll to the bottom to see this rahter impressive medical research resume.
Certified Scuba Diver
LAPD
memeber of Lergion post 193
Board member LaurelCanyon Association
Member Gay Mens Chorus of Los Angeles
And then there is this one,,,,Board Member ‘Save the L.A. County Seal Committee”,,,,,dedicated to keeping the little picture on the county seal from being changed,,,now theres some medical credibility for ya!!!
And I forgot to add his highest education accomplishment,,High School Graduate
Dude, the “burden of proof” is on you. You are the ones trying to argue against consensus. Hell, you’re trying to argue against science, IMO….
Origen,
You seem to be equating the word “science” with unquestionable truths. You could not be farther from reality.
Look back through history. Especially modern history.
Scientific “truths” are being overturned every day.
That is exactly how “science” moves forward. Not by thinking we know everything, but by questioning everything we think we know.
There are no sacred cows or holy sacred truths in science, except for the following:
Believe no-one. Question everything.
Matter of fact, most so-called scientists should drop the trade and join you in porno acting, as they too, with their biased, bought and paid for, and unopened minds are less than 3rd rate scientists, and many likely would do society less harm and more good by becoming street hookers or porn actors, provided they could keep their mouths shut and misguided opinions and false beliefs to themselves.
FYI: Did you know that more than 12 percent of doctors and of so-called scientists have severe problems struggling with drug or alcohol addictions?