Shelley writes-
**My letter to Oprah:
Dear Oprah,
I would personally like to ask you why your correspondant, Lisa Ling, would not interview me when she had her chance at AdultCon where she was interviewing "Porn King" Steve Hirsch? I asked her kindly if she would like to interview me, a former porn actress, to hear the other side of porn, the majority of what is going on in the porn industry and she declined.
Why Oprah would she decline to interview me when she had the chance conveniently available to her? Why would you allow her to do this? I know your camera men filmed me talking to Lisa Ling and Steve Hirsch, pornographer, because MY videographer caught in on film which everyone can see at www.youtube.com/slubben in my videos (search for Wimpy Pornographer).
So why did you not show that footage? Why will you not invite me to speak out on your show?
Your "porn" show only showed interviews of pro-porn advocates such as porn stars, pornographers and porn columnists. I want to know why? Don’t you want to hear the other side about the porn industry from former porn actresses?
I have irrefutable evidence against the porn industry, including Steve Hirsch, AIM (Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation), Hustler, Playboy and I feel YOU, being a media leader and someone many people look up to, need to show the other side of porn and then let the viewers decide how they feel about pornography based on hearing BOTH SIDES!!
In fact, I have publicly challenged some of your pro-porn guests and NONE have the guts to challenge me. Why not do a show where you have a porn debate and let myself and other former porn actresses debate against pro-porn advocates?
I hope you will be honest and show the other side of porn as well. Myself and other former porn actresses represent the MAJORITY of what is going on in porn, not Jenna Jameson who hasn’t even made hardcore pornography. Not Steve Hirsch who abuses women and makes money off of them. But the women who have been abused, slapped, kicked, hair pulled, caught multiple STDs and even died. Please show the whole truth Oprah.
You may visit my web site at www.shelleylubben.net and contact me to be interviewed. I will be there in a heart beat.
Thank you for reading my letter and I look forward to hearing from you,
Shelley Lubben, former porn actress and founder of Pink Cross Foundation at www.thepinkcross.org
Hmmm…. I was at Adultcon and Shelley did not approach me for an interview or to debate her. I was there for 3 days too…. guess I am not worth saving. I did walk by Shelley’s booth a couple of times and she was not there – either in Los Angeles or at Las Vegas by the way. Guess she was out looking for cameras to get on. In all seriousness… it is my belief
– for girls that need help there are qualified professionals and clinics for them to go to. Filling them up with false hope and promises of charity and salvation can lead to more harm than good
– Shelley soliciting donations for clothing for girls who typically shop on Melrose is bizarre. Pornstars in need salvation don’t need jeans – they need therapy and meetings. Donations for clothing should go to the homeless.
– at a time when hardworking folks around the globe are losing homes and jobs, there are a lot more things to spend our time on than pornstars who get into the business for the wrong reasons and end up squandering their money on partying.
Yes, everyone needs help. Shelley Lubben….. you are not the answer.
My two cents…..
“Why Oprah would [Lisa Ling] decline to interview me when she had the chance conveniently available to her? Why would [Oprah Winfrey] allow her to do this?”
Storm Front may be able to answer these questions.
Lubben “…not Jenna Jameson who hasn’t even made hardcore pornography.”
Huh? What planet are you on, if you think Jenna Jameson has never made a porn film.
Secondly, Lubben would probably get a better response if she had addressed Oprah by her last name (just a pet peeve when writing a business letter to someone you don’t know on a personal basis).
Third, Lubben seems unaware Nightline did the debate format she desperately craves (it was between Kirk Cameron and an anti-porn pastor — Ron Jeremy and a female porn chick whose name I forget at the moment). Not much came out of the debate, beyond one group of people think porn is BAD…another group of people don’t see it as the root of all evil in the world.
Zzzzzzzz wake me when something interesting happens….
Finally, Lubben would most likely get actual media interest if she went to the one place that trades in salacious nonsense masquerading as ‘serious journalism’ — Fox News.
Shelley-
One year in the biz and a dozen movies does make you a porn star. That is like me going to church a few times and claiming the title of bishop. You were working talent, nothing more, nothing less. However, I don’t blame you for quiting, I would too if I was a female and did a gangbang with
Arnold Schwartzenpecker,Gus Rottrocks,Guy DiSilva,Ian Daniels,Paul Morgan, and Rick Masters.
What are the STD rates for non working girls? How many girls out there never get tested? It’s apparent you have no other skills other than trying to be a media whore. You and that tool from xxxchurch would make a great couple.
Shelley needs desperately her 15 minutes of fame 😉
The obvious answer to Lubben’s question about why Ling didn’t want to interview her, was that the show Ling was putting together was about women’s interest in viewing pornography – it wasn’t about the porn industry.
A second reason that Ling avoided her might be that Lubben would be as bad an interview as Jenna Jamesom turned out to be: one-dimensional, inarticulate, misleading and generally embarassing.
And what’s this about there being only two possible sides to any discussion about porn? Really, Lubben should write to Fox News for an interview – they also subscribe to her meat-headed, thumbs-up, thumbs-down, one-dimensional view of the world.
Let’s hear it for women like Jennie Ketchum (Penny Flame), who move on and move up from porn without creating a lifelong persona as a victim, or without becoming the victim of Lubben’s cultish brand of Christianity.
Terri Redor
http://www.thefloatingworld.com
Rockpepe… isn’t it at something like 16 minutes already going a couple of hours…
I agree with Vicky however I really don’t think this debate will be relevant in about another year because there might not be much of a porn industry left after free porn wipes just about EVERY company out of the business. I hope that doesn’t happen and I hope we continue to hear from people trying to ‘save’ the world from the evils of porn for another 10 years. That would make a lot of company owners very happy because it would mean they are still in business. I love the porn industry and enjoy many of the people in it and from my perspective I don’t see the horrible stories that Shelly preaches about. I’m not saying some don’t exist but girls are not forced into this business. Hey were not a perfect industry but if somebody leaves this business messed up, they probably came into it a bit messed up I think.
BTW: That Oprah piece painted a very rosy picture about the business and I just don’t think that is the economic reality anymore. Lastly, good for Jenna Jameson and I wish her nothing but the best with her new family. She was the first project I ever marketed to #1 on the sales charts 7 or 8 years ago with My Plaything and New Sensations so I have always liked her and she was always sweet to me so I am happy to see that she appears happy. She did a lot of good for this business over her career that’s for sure.
(an imaginary reply from O.)
Dear Ms. Lubbens,
The goal of my show on adult entertainment was to focus on people that had a unique perspective to offer, not a cut & paste diatribe from an uneducated camera chaser trying to further her own goal off my show’s popularity. Let’s face it, by allowing a nobody like you on my show, I would be validating your existence and even a cursory examination of your work to date shows me that would be folly.
Consider that most of my audience is already against porn, their husbands and boyfriends expecting them to perform on the same level with unrealistic expectations of happiness when they spend the rent money on porn or strip clubs. Why would they need to hear what they already believe from a third rate charlatan such as yourself, what they already know?
Frankly, you’re so unimportant that even those in the porn industry ignore your desperate pleas to debate and my producers, having been forced to sit through several of your You Tube offerings, have universally accepted significant pay cuts so I wouldn’t force them to continue. I get that you had a bad experience in the industry and I get that you cling to it as a means of personal redemption but to think you merit inclusion on a show of my magnitude during sweeps week pretty much says it all as to why you have no place in mainstream media.
If it is any consolation for you, even a casual glance at the show in question should revive your spirits that your goal destroying the porn industry is being aptly handled from within. We had a marginal writer advocate stealing copyrighted movies online, a washed up and self-important “star” gloss over all the things she had to do in order to make it big by porn standards, and even a company owner hanging onto the past as though he will survive the next several years.
Good Day, O.
Hey there Will Ryder; where would You go if the porn industry dry up use all your good directing skills?? You got it man!! So what would you honestly go and do? You have knocked out some pretty enteraining stuff and you go that Hollywood scene right there on vine street going on? I could see MediaPlay becoming a Mainstream production company your there dude!!! Stay up and stay POSITIVE!!!
ohh by the way Will, I think you better and a lot better than Jim Lane(powers)!!!
I warrant an appearance on Oprah more than Shelley does.
Houston,
I think you missed the mark a little bit on the imaginary reply…..I submit to you my imaginary reply
Dear. Ms. Lubben,
The purpose of my show on adult entertainment was to get the highest ratings I could, and sex sells. As you well know, I (oprah) am the biggest and most succesful whore of all time, and I will stop at nothing to stay on top, even if it means doing porn stories, or pimping out any abused, neglected, or otherwise desperate person who will do ar say anything just to get on tv., Much like the regular porn whores will do anything for a buck. If I could I would show Max Hardcore scenes, and then have the starlets on my stage to ridicue them, but the FCC wont let me. Like most of my interviews, the truth is irrelevant, as long as I get ratings.
Thank-you
Orca.
Yeah General you sound like a real church-goin fellow, calling someone like Oprah a whore. Bless your heart. It’s just too bad Shelley didn’t write this out on toilet paper because in that case Oprah might have had some use for it.
“VickyVette Says:
Rockpepe… isn’t it at something like 16 minutes already going a couple of hours…”
Vicky…I can’t stand this dull woman anymore, the first time I heard from her I thought she was doing something good for lost girls in porn after reading and watching her in some promo videos I could see everything is a big farce only for promoting herself and her own benefit, but the worse of it she is absolutely BORING and ANNOYING and she always needs to be the center of attraction wherever she goes. Shelley please back home and don’t be a fucking pain in the ass.
The General says:
“As you well know, I (oprah) am the biggest and most succesful whore of all time, and I will stop at nothing to stay on top,”
Words of wisdom. Amen
Shelly Lubben says:
‘I would personally like to ask you (Oprah) why your correspondant, Lisa Ling, would not interview me when she had her chance at AdultCon where she was interviewing ‘Porn King’ Steve Hirsch?’
Because you don’t fucking matter, Shelly, never were and never will be. But now that we’re at it, let me ask you something: why is that so important for you to debate and/or interview Steve Hirsch in particular? What difference will his opinion on anything make in the smut business? And how is he more significant than other people who make a living by selling pornographic movies to consenting adults?
You claim you’re waging a war against the evil that is the adult industry; but in reality, you don’t even know your enemy and how it functions. You don’t have the slightest idea. Let me give you a hint: in this business, it’s every man/woman for himself/herself. Everybody handles his/her business according to his/her particular needs and abilities. So in that sense, Steve Hirsch’s opinion on anything has no effect whatsoever on anybody and anything. At the end of the day, he’s just another smut peddler, competing against all other smut peddlers in a dog eat dog, oversaturated market.
You truly are a fool.
Hey Vicky,
Please contact me with your contact information to publicly debate me at info@shelleylubben.com so we can set it up.
I will DEFNITELY be happy to debate you.
Blessings,
Shelley
President,
When did I ever say, here or anywhere else, that I am a church going person? While I may agree with selley on alot of things, I have not seen the inside of church, except for funerals or weddings, in well over 25, if not 30 years. And as well as calling Oprah a whore, I would like to take this opportunity to lower myself to the level of the Colonel(defender of child rapists) to call you a cock sucking faggot.
And Colonel, as far as Hirsch’s statements not affecting anyone else, think again. When he pays the fines for the recent OSHA violations, and in turn hangs EVERY small porn producer out to dry, you mightthink twice that what Hirsh does has no affect on anyone else. How come nobody in the industry is talking about the negotions that Hirsh, Flynt, and two or three other large producers, and AIM are having with OSHA. Or are all the good little lackey’s keeping their mouths shut like they have been told to do. What this very small group of people decide is going to impact every porn producer, and youre not even getting a say in the matter Colonel.
Colonel,
Wouldnt you think that somone as all knowing as you claim to be would be asked for their ‘input’ regarding this subject.
Shut your face, General Malfunction, nobody was talking to you. I asked Shelly Lubben a question and I don’t need nor that I care for an answer from a piece of shit like you. If Lubben can or wants to answer, fine, if not, fine. Either way, you and her can go fuck yourselves.
For the record and for one last time: in the adult industry every man/woman is for himself/herself. Everybody handles his/her business according to his/her particular needs and abilities. Larry Flynt, Steve Hirsch and any other producer’s affairs and opinions have no effect whatsoever on anybody and anything. At the end of the day, they’re just another smut peddler, competing against all other smut peddlers in a dog eat dog, oversaturated market.
Seems like hitting pretty close to home again Colonel. Are you angry becasue the ‘big boys’ are hanging you out to dry without even asking for your input?
Yes its dog eat dog, and you are a poodle in the ring with acouple of pitbulls. YOU colonel, are everything you accuse Shelley of being, an insignificant nobody in the porn biz, who wasnt even invited to the table to make the decisions that will directly affect(or should it be effect) you business in the future. We all know you want to give your input, but the big dogs could care less about what you have to say.
Colonel, you are so far out of the loop you are not even aware of the several meetings that have taken place in Oakland with OSHA officials in the last few weeks.
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On another note, General Malfunction, porn as we know it may come to an end in the near future. However, I assure you that I, as well as my other pornographer fellows including Third Axis, won’t go anywhere before we piss on your grave; and given your deteriorating physical and mental conditions that are clearly obvious from your half-ass, laughable, pathetic writings filled with all kinds of typographical and intellectual errors, the day we come to take that piss is very close.
In the meantime, I’ll continue to please myself by tormenting you and making your lonely life in your retirement home more miserable everyday. If hell is other people, then I’m definitely your hell; and I drink to that.
Ok, colonel, you do your thing. You just speak into the “mike’ and maybe someone will listen to your “input”
And kernal, how will you know which grave to piss on? Thats the difference beween you and I. I will know which grave to piss on, when that glorious day comes and your pathetic excuse for a life comes to an end. I wonder which companyI should file an OSHA complaint against next. I have Seven to choose from.
And again, you overestimate your importance. If you were half as significant as you wish you were, you would have been invited to the table. Your name didnt even come up when considering who will be ‘in the loop’ was discussed. It was a very intereting round table discussion. Too bad you werent there.
Colon el says,
“Pors as we know it may come to an end in the near future.”
lets make a small corection here.
Porn as YOU know it Colonel, that is, the stuff produced by low budget, barely make ends meet companies will come to an end. Those companies that actually have somebody with half a brain running their operations will always find a way to adapt, and continue making money. The low budget, no talent hacks like yourself will be left behind with no clue what to do, and will just fade away into the sunset like many before. And millions upon millions of people will continue to access your low budget garbage, FREE of charge on the internet, for generations to come. And ther aint a single thing you can do about that. Not now, not ever!!
General Malfunction sez:
‘Are you angry becasue the big boys are hanging you out to dry without even asking for your input?’
I’m not angry, but you are frustrated, pathetic and stupid. The fact of the matter is that you and your dear Shelly Lubben don’t realize there is no such thing as the big boys vs. the little boys in this line of business; and there are no such things as *guidelines*, determind by a few for others to follow. Everybody does it their way: Wicked uses condoms in their scenes, because they have the vannila porn market and can sell their movies to couples. Devil’s Film produces bi-sexual/tranny movies, because they have a market for it. JM produces Bukkae movies for their specific audiences. I produce hardcore and S & M movies for my specific audiences. To each his own. I could give two shits about what Larry Flynt and Steve Hirsch decide to do with their business and their companies; and I’m sure the owners of Wicked, Devil’s Film and JM feel exactly the same.
But let me tell you why Shelly Lubben sniffs Larry Flynt and Steve Hirsch’s asses: she pretends she’s waging a war against the adult industry, this is her bread and butter and her livelihood. She makes a living off donations contributed to her by crazy right wingers, religious nut jobs and radical white supremacists; delusional scum such as yourself who have personal grudges against the adult industry. So by bugging guys like Larry Flynt and Steve Hirsch, she pretends she’s fighting her crusade and tries to gain attention; and fools like you fall for the same trick time and again.
And last but not least, I assure you when the day comes, I know which grave to piss on: your grave. By the way, if you think you know who and where I am, then come visit me: cook for me, clean my house, wipe my ass, take your dentures off and give me a nice, sloppy deep throat blow job. But as usual, you have no fucking clue. You’re just a disabled, old, dying fuck, rotting away in a retirement home somewhere; wishing your children would pay you one last visit before you kick the bucket. But the chances are they never will, because they hate you as much as everybody else hates you.
Go fuck yourself.
General Malfunction sez:
‘Those companies that actually have somebody with half a brain running their operations will always find a way to adopt, and continue making money.’
As usual, General Malfunction, you’re dead wrong; and I’m sure the folks at Evil Angel and Vivid can tell you that, since in 2009 their sales have dropped %60 to %70. The reason is simple, and even old dog farts like yourself should be able to understand if they try hard enough. Here’s why: people, customers, consumers, whatever you want to call them do not pay for porn anymore. Period. They get it for free; and nobody with a half or a full size brain can figure out how to adopt and compete against the free and force people back to paying. But hey, what the fuck do you know? Go take your Alzheimer’s medicine and hit the sack. It’s almost 8 PM, you’re past your bed time. Tommorow is your most favorite day of the week: the church day.
Piece of shit.
tiny lower-case general, you are again assuming (and, again, putting the “ass” in assume) that we give a flying fuck what OSHA has to do with anything. You’re a boot-licking government lackey. Let Cal-OSHA, Steve Hirsch, Larry Flynt, the Tooth Fairy, Fred Flintstone, and anybody else you want to invite to the circle jerk, all get together at the airport Ramada and sniff each other’s asses to see who is going to be the top or the bottom (those are technical terms that are probably over your pointed little head).
Put your clipboard back up your ass where it belongs, fool.
You’re dead on, Colonel. Typically, the little general just can’t understand that there is no central “council of power” in the porn biz, nor does everyone operate by the letter of the law. Some of us proudly say, “fuck authority,” and that’s why we’re pornographers and not city workers or in some other profession presided over by bosses or others who tell us how to do our jobs. Porn is unique in that regard, and I for one intend to keep it that way. The mainstreaming of porn was the beginning of its end. I’ll hold onto my small portion, and I could care less what anybody else does or who they cozy up to at the negotiating table. Doesn’t effect me one bit.
The big porn companies are negotiating with the state/city authorities because they have no choice, and they have much more to lose under regulation (whose sets do you think the clipboards will be turning up on regularly?); however, they do not determine how the rest of us do business, as much as they—and the little general— like to think that they’re the “big boys” on the playground. Such delusions of grandeur are downright laughable in today’s economy and changing technological landscape. Democracy is a bitch, ain’t it?
general, you claim to be in the “biz” in what aspect if i may ask?
No, he never claimed to be anything. He’s an ex-employee lackey of OSHA, now living out his twilight years on a retirement pension. Shall I add, with an obsessive-compulsive addiction to porn, and control. Pathetic.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the little general is a whistle-blowing weasel snitch, who gets his sad little jollies from sniffing out porn companies and reporting them to county health and Cal-OSHA. In return, he gets a pat on the head and much-needed “atta boy” from his superiors down at the old office. Those boots must taste pretty good, aye little general? Buff ’em up real nice now. You might get a footnote mention in the ‘Cal-OSHA Reporter’.
Right you are, Third Axis. More power to you, good brother.
For me doing porn was my way to show the middle finger to the authorities of all kind and tell them to suck my fucking dick. I never seeked their apporoval, nor that I ever gave two shits about it. Companies like Hustler and Vivid, on the other hand, always wanted to be part of the mainstream media and household friendly names; I don’t give a shit about any of that. What I always wanted was to fuck and rough up whores on and off screen and make money off of it; I’ve been doing that for almost all of my life, and I have enough resources to keep doing what I’m doing for the years to come. Sure, it won’t be as profitable as 10 years ago, but whores are still fresh, and I’m still hungry. So that figures.
By the way, I got a kick out of your line about the little General’s obsessive compulsive addiction to porn. I thought of that, too. This piece of shit obviously hadn’t got laid since the Carter administration. That’s truly painful, you know, setting alone in the retirement home, memories of a lost life flashing before your very eyes and knowing there’s nothing you can do and there’s nobody on earth who gives a fuck about you.
Little g, at least you got me and my fellows including Third Axis. We’ll be there when they’re putting you in your cold, dark grave to piss on it. I promise I’ll bring a six pack beer so I can piss you a river. It’s just a matter of time.
‘Piss Me a River’… Isn’t that a Willie Nelson song?
Tirdboy,
Let me see if I got those techinical terms straight.
TOP=Colonel
BOTTOM=Tirdboy
Top = The Colonel
Bottom = Third Axis
Little g, take your Alzheimer medicine on time so you don’t keep forgetting things and making a fool of yourself everytime you open that mouth of yours. Here is the part you missed:
Middle = Little g
That’s right, scumbag, the technical term for it is DAP: Double Anal Penetration. You may practice and make your asshole ready for the session, that way you’ll feel less pain and things will go smoothly, if you catch my drift. Start practicing by fist fucking your ass every night before you go to bed at 8 PM at your retirement home; and report back in one week.
Now go fuck yourself, literally and figuratively.