NL-I condensed this story. Read the whole thing at their website http://www.aidshealth.org/
As part of an ongoing campaign to require the use of condoms in adult films shot in California, AHF has been mounting a high profile advocacy campaign directly targeting the industry, including key players like Hustler’s founder Larry Flynt; it has publicly pressed Los Angeles County political and health officials to comply with the law as far as legal reporting of HIV and STD cases—including those found among performers in the industry—and to require the use of condoms on sets in LA County; and it has also recently sued the County to achieve this aim.
COMPANIES TARGETED-
Anarchy Films,
Backend Productions,
Blue Pictures,
Critical X,
Hustler Video (an unnamed DVD title from LFP-distributed X-Play is cited),
Heatwave Entertainment, Immoral Productions,
Latin Media,
Legend,
Mayhem,
Maverick Entertainment,
Raw Flesh,
Sin City,
Top Dog/Magnus Productions,
Vivid Entertainment and Club Jenna.
AHF to File Cal/OSHA Complaints Over Porn Industry’s Blacklist on Condoms
Group to Submit Nearly 60 Adult Films from 16 California Production Companies Filmed without Condoms that Demonstrate Unprotected Exchange of Bodily Fluids; Several Former Porn Actresses from Pink Cross Foundation to Join AHF’s Call for Condoms in Porn
WHAT: Press Conference and Teleconference AHF to file Cal/OSHA Complaint over Porn Industry’s Blacklist on Condoms; Former Adult Film Actresses to Join AHF’s Call for Condoms in Porn
WHEN: THURSDAY, August 20th 2009—-10:30 AM Pacific
WHERE: Sheraton Universal Hotel Starview Room (21st Floor) 333 Universal Hollywood Drive Universal City, CA 91608 Teleconference Dial in information: +1.877.411.9748 participant code #7931503
WHO: Shelley Lubben, former adult entertainment actress and founder of Pink Cross Foundation, Jan (Meza) Merritt, former adult entertainment actress and member of the Pink Cross Foundation, Michael Weinstein, AIDS Healthcare Foundation, President, Whitney Engeran-Cordova, Director, Public Health Division, AIDS Healthcare Foundation
CONTACTS: Ged Kenslea, AHF Dir. of Communications (323) 791-5526 cell (323) 860-5225 office Lori Yeghiayan, AHF Assoc. Dir. of Communications (323) 377-4312 cell (323) 860-5227 office
“As a global HIV and STD medical provider operating treatment clinics and prevention facilities here in California, we see it as our duty to pursue action on the issue of safety in the workplace—in these instances, unprotected sex acts taking place in albeit non-traditional workplaces—porn sets located throughout the San Fernando Valley that are churning out billions of dollars of adult fare every day,” said Michael Weinstein, President of AIDS Healthcare Foundation. “This is why we are filing workplace health and safety complaints with Cal/OSHA today: to press for the enforcement of state and local workplace regulatory guidelines which would require the use of condoms in all adult films produced in California.”
“I was a porn star living the glamorous life. Drug overdoses, herpes, suicide attempts and abuse at the hands of the porn industry,” said Shelley Lubben, former porn actress and founder of the Pink Cross Foundation, an IRS approved 501(c)(3) public charity dedicated to offering adult industry workers emotional, financial and transitional support for those who want out of the adult industry. “In my time in the industry, I did some very hardcore movies, and only drugs and alcohol could get me through them. I played a crazy game of Russian roulette with my life. The industry did not and still does NOT enforce condom usage, so STDs and HIV were and still are a high risk among porn actors and actresses. While my own life has taken an entirely new and profoundly fulfilling direction and I now work to help performers leave the industry altogether, I wholeheartedly support AIDS Healthcare Foundation’s call to require condom use in the ongoing production of adult films in California.”
“It breaks my heart to acknowledge that during my time as a porn star, I’ve done a scene with 25 men and even though I was assured that all of the STD testing had been taken care of by the producers, in my heart I realize now that this was probably a lie because I never saw the tests for myself,” said Jan (Meza) Merritt, former porn actress and member of the Pink Cross Foundation. “There are thousands of porn stars actively working in the adult industry. Can AIM say in all honesty that they are able to accurately test and regulate all of these performers’ health? I think not. How is AIM certain that their tests are foolproof when nothing in this life is guaranteed, not even the use of condoms, contraceptives and other prophylactics? And how much higher is the risk of getting HIV and other STDs in an industry where you have not only one sexual partner per day, but several or more and condoms are looked at as an unnecessary, negative component of this industry? Enough is enough! How many more HIV incidents will occur in the adult industry before changes are made once and for all? 22 reported cases of HIV. How can anyone say that’s a small number? We are talking about human lives! How can you put a price on life?"
“While working in the industry, I performed in over one-hundred triple-X hardcore movies. Some of my experiences on the porn set include me being totally wasted and porn producers allowing me to be—and even providing—alcohol and drugs for me. I experienced rough sex scenes and have been hit by male talent and told them to stop, but they wouldn’t stop until I started to cry and ruined the scene,” said Michelle Avanti, a former adult entertainment actress and member of the Pink Cross Foundation in a statement. “As I continued to do hardcore porn, I started catching STDs all the time. My lower body hurt so badly and at times my private area felt like it was a blazing fire. I could no longer work because I caught so many STDs and infections. I believe that if condoms had been allowed to be used in my own films, I would not have suffered so many physical ailments and infections. I am pleased today to lend my support to AHF’s call to require condom use in adult films produced in California.”
At the conclusion of the press conference AHF officials (together with the actresses?) will depart in a caravan from the hotel to deliver the complaints and the supporting DVDs to the body informally known as Cal/OSHA
In support of its complaint to Cal/OSHA asserting that film sets where condoms are not used provide unsafe California work environments, AIDS Healthcare Foundation officials undertook a review and analysis of nearly 60 adult films produced and/or distributed by the industry. AHF will submit the DVDs to Cal/OSHA in support of its workplace safety complaint regarding these California film sets. Among AHF’s findings:
• 58 adult entertainment (porn) DVDs purchased;
• 16 production and/or distribution companies represented;
• 15 DVDs depict double penetration (two penises) WITHOUT a condom; one portrays unprotected double penetration in one orifice (anal, a particularly high risk behavior for possible tearing of the membrane and lining of the anus);
• 7 DVDs featuring Spanish language and Latino/Latina performers; in one of these DVDs, CONDOMS ARE USED
• 5 DVDs (primarily) featuring African Americans; in one of these DVDs, CONDOMS ARE USED
• 2 DVDs featuring Asian women
• 3 gay and/or bisexual BAREBACK (no condom) DVDs
AHF filed the lawsuit after exhausting all other methods to compel the County to fulfill its obligation to protect the public’s health in the wake of the revelation in mid-June that an actress working in the adult film business had tested positive for HIV. At that time, AHF had urged the County to better monitor HIV and STD prevention in the region’s adult film industry—and require condom use—or to shut down porn sets.
“By recommending—but not requiring—condom use on porn film sets, Los Angeles County has basically abdicated its responsibility to perform its main function—which is to protect the public health,” said Whitney Engeran-Cordova, Director of AIDS Healthcare Foundation’s Public Health Division. “The County’s laze faire attitude on this issue prompted us to prepare a ‘Notice of Safety or Health Hazards’ complaint for Cal/OSHA. We hope that Cal/OSHA investigators see this as the straightforward workplace safety issue we believe it to be, with the knowledge that thousands of STDs could be prevented in Los Angeles County with the mandated use of condoms on porn sets.”
AHF, the US’ largest non-profit HIV/AIDS healthcare provider, which operates the largest community-based alternative HIV testing program in California conducting more than 14,000 free HIV tests annually, has also been trying to sponsor legislation in Sacramento that would mandate the use condoms by actors performing in films produced by the California industry. AHF believes a so-called ‘condoms in porn’ bill should be drafted as a worker safety provision of California’s Labor Code akin to how the Labor Code currently requires the use of hard hats and other garments and barriers as safely precautions on certain California work sites and locations. To date, the legislators approached have been unwilling or unable to author such prudent public health legislation
Los Angeles County’s Department of Public Health is aware of an ongoing and pervasive sexually transmitted disease crisis in LA’s pornography industry, a fact that is well documented. DPH has cited numerous figures confirming an STD epidemic among performers in adult films, including the fact that performers in hardcore pornography are ten times more likely to be infected with a sexually transmitted disease than members of the population at large.
“This is not just about one industry, but about our entire community, as the spread of disease among adult film performers endangers themselves as well as their sexual partners in and outside the industry,” added AHF’s Weinstein. “Los Angeles County Public Health officials cannot keep passing the buck on this by playing ping pong on this with the state and the industry itself. That is why we are filing these complaints with Cal/OSHA today.”
Here we go again…. Shelly Lubben saves the world’s pornstars from themselves. And I thought I was a publicity whore.
Guide me through this, hold my hand if you have to but remind me please: Shelley starred in what? She is known for? Her claim to fame was?
Oh, that’s right, nevermind.
Why doesn’t some individual or company from the Porn Biz sue Shelly Lubben for mis-representation and potential slander?
It seems to me that 1) anyone entering porn knows the risk due to the simple fact, they’re a human being who has sex 2) there’s no government regulations specifying men HAVE to use a condom whenever they have sex with a random person in either a professional setting (ie their workplace) or in public (ie a pick up at a bar/restaurant/beach et cetera and 3) see one and two.
Lubben’s case on its merits alone should be throw out by any judge with half a brain, as one would have to ask why doesn’t she name EVERY SINGLE company in the Pornographic Business in her suit. Any good lawyer could argue that she’s playing favorites by not mentioning every last company producing pornography in the world who do not make condom usage mandatory.
Besides, it’s not as if the state of California needs any more regulation that either strangles commerce, or adds more non-necessary workers to the government payrolls. Schools are being shut down, parks are being closed, and free clinics are being shuttered…yet the state’s OSHA department is supposed to add MORE staffers to go out and police porn sets and/or watch random movies in order to then cite companies that are not complying with the law?
Can’t she just go and interrupt congressional town hall meetings with moronic rants against the progress of society like the rest of the nation’s nutcakes?
Sammy Glick says:
‘One would have to ask why doesn’t she name EVERY SINGLE company in the Pornographic Business in her suit.’
Great post, Sammy. You brought up many good and valid points and as you mentioned, this charade is the last burden that bankrupt state of California needs on it’s fragile shoulders. So in all likelihood, Shelly Lubben’s fat ass along with this redundant case will be thrown to the street.
But let me emphasize on one thing and provide an example of how blind, clueless and misinformed Shelly Lunnen truely is in her pathetic little crusade:
Several of the companies listed by her including Anarchy Films, Heatwave Entertainment and Immoral Productions are companies that have technically gone broke a long time ago. They’ve became what the industry people call recycled content scavengers. They hardly produce any new material. Instead, they buy cheap, old, recycled content. Small time companies, obscure web sites and freelance producers who have shot scenes several years ago sell those scenes for as cheap as $500 each to these companies, then they put together 4 or 5 of them and make it into a DVD release. So basically stupid Shelly Lubben is going after companies who barely shoot new scenes and are not the original producers of the scenes they release on their DVDs. Shelly Lubben is and always will be a fart joke.
Listen Shelly, just let Jesus handle it. God is coming. Love is all. Yadda yadda. Leave us alone. Doesn’t Vivid already enforce rubbers,why are they on the list? Rubbers rub me the rub the way and they’ll rub the industry out. But that’s your Godly plan, ain’t it?
“I was a porn star living the glamorous life. Drug overdoses, herpes, suicide attempts and abuse at the hands of the porn industry,”… Sorry, but this is obviously a personal problem. She can’t even write coherent, logical English as is gonna tell us what we should do?
One can have a heart and mean well but that doesn’t mean one does well. It just ain’t that simple. It just all about believing and not perceiving.
-Sorry, the Devil made me write this.
rubbers rub me the wrong way i meant to say
it ain’t just all about believing and not perceiving i meant to write, my computer has aids, should put a rubber around it
Wow! It takes “money” to go to court, shouldn’t she be ussing her donations to help women and men escape from the big evil “porn biz” as she claims. We are all responsible for are actions! If you don’t want STD’s while making porn “DON’T MAKE PORN!” And as for HIV let’s be real, a lot of the people who tested positive where already having unprotected sex outside of the industry, inbetween test dates, best bet test every two weeks and take care of your self, if you feel the itching and burning get checked out, don’t wait… No one ever mentions staff and strep infections which can kill you if not treated.
“We are all responsible for are actions! If you don’t want STD’s while making porn “DON’T MAKE PORN!”
Words of wisdom Lostbutterfly
You know you are playing with fire….then you don’t say..oh why this happened to me??
And this is for you Shelley I thought you were interested in spreading your word out of USA too and knowing about your cause…I see you are not interested. No reply to my interview. Ok.
Well who could have predicted, oh waint, who did predict this? I dont have enough time right now to expalin to you all the ramifications of todays events, and by the comments left so far, I can see that most of you just dont realize how big of a bomb was just dropped on Porn Valley.
Real quick,
Sammy, you wrote there are “no governmet regulations specifying blah blah blah…..”
Labor Code Section 6309..8 CCR section 5193.
Thats all I have to say right now, actually thats all I need to say. Like they say in poker, read it and weep, and weep, and weeeeeeeeeeep/
And sammy, you ask, ” “why doesnt she name every single company…..” Theres an old saying that applies here too…Be very careful what you ask for, you might just get it.”
The best part is they are submitting the videos themselves as the number one piece of evidence. The blood borne pathogen violations are right there for all to see.
For some reason I just cant wait to see what tirdaxis has to say about this.
damn Sammy, you tryin to write a book with every single comment?
There are some real bottom feeders on that list, funny that Johnny Thrust has shot and performed for a lot of them. Shelley doesnt mention TT Boy’s production empire on her list, just cause he fled to Florida doesnt mean he doesnt exist anymore.
Johnny Thrust has a funny looking head.
Good luck with all that legal baggage, way to make AHF look like a complete joke. If you want credibility, the one person you wouldn’t want to tie in with would be Shelley. If these people were smart, they would hook up with a name who is comfortable working in the industry and isn’t a Jesus freak in therapy. These people will have about as much success suing to stop one guy with a digicam in a Canoga apartment as they would trying to make the cockroach extinct. The latter would probably be a more noble and realistic effort.
Lostbutterfly, it costs absolutely nothing, that means zero,zip, nada, to file an OSHA complaint. Pink Cross has spent no money at all, except for miscelaneous expenses like hotel and transportation.
Aids Healthcare Foundation, the largest Aids advocacy group in the nation,(deep pockets) is the one filing the LAWSUIT against the County Health Dept.
And Mr. President,
Perhaps you should have a talk with TTBOY about having success suing some guy with a did can in Vannuys. You can reach him in Florida these days.
And where do you think the next OSHA complaints are going to be filed? Thats right, in Florida, where they produce porn WITHOUT the protection of the Freeman Decision. These people are alot more organized than anyone here is giving them credit for, and that is exactly what they are counting on.
“where they produce porn WITHOUT the protection of the Freeman Decision”
You have to be a bit INSANE to shoot porn in Florida.
Well, TT Boy, the Donkey, Dirty D, Eli, nice collection over there.
How many deaths do we have on the highways per year?
Let’s ban cars.
How many people die of heart disease?
Let’s ban fast food joints.
Or maybe not. It’s freedom of choice, right? So, therefore if people want to shoot without rubbers and people want to see people fuck without rubbers, let em. Condom pushers should be aware of the fact that they will sink what’s left of the titanic. Who’s gonna go pay AIM to test when they helped sink the industry with this shit? Aad again, holes in condoms are much bigger than HIV.
More people have cars Jeremy than do porn. Porn is a smaller group. So when you have the biggest porn stars today saying they & everyone else in porn has STDs, that is a very large percentage higher than the average in the country.
I said before, this is no different than trying to ban porn altogether, which was proven to be wildly unrealistic and a massive waste of time. That’s why they gave up. Same scenario here. A million organizations working solely to monitor condoms in porn will never be successful. This is entertaining to talk about, but AHF’s credibility is being completely destroyed and this will only have a backlash effect. They are going about this the wrong way.
I think people have more porn movies than they do cars. They certainly have their stick shift in high gear behind the computers, but anyhow, how does STDs in porn compare with the general population Darrah, who’s dying, where’s the epidemic and please don’t tell me how to fuck!
Why have you put my comments on “awaiting approval” again, Cindi?
hmm maybe not, but you still have this comment awaiting approval right above: (test)
p.s. leave me alone, Darrah. My penis comes with it’s own immune system and hard hat!
hmmm… what is it Cindi, the word “penis” that makes the comment go automatically into “awaiting approval” mode? No comprendo.
let me try this again and see if it works…
p.s. leave me alone, Darrah. My pe-nis comes with it’s own immune system and hard hat!
why did i have to break the “p” word into two parts for this post to avoid moderation Cindi??
Darrah, Shelly Lubben and Sarah palin have one thing in common: as soon as some shit jumps into their head, they open their mouth and spit it out. Fortunately, they all have the same amount of credibility.
Hopefully Shelly Lubben will soon follow the northern stars to Bethlehem to witness the *second cuming* and Darrah will retire from her *blogging activities* to join Palin for fishing, while the rest of us will enjoy making money off selling explicit, perversive depictions of nasty sexual acts to degenerate masturbating Americans.
Say what you want and do what you can, take your best fucking shot. But the business of human flesh is the oldest business in the history, the business is good and nobody can stop it, least of all Jesus AKA Huros.
Jeremy,
Should NASCAR require helmets? Or should it be the drivers choice?
Shoudl high rise construction workers be required to wear harnesses, or should it be thier ‘choice’?
Shoudl firemaen wear flame retardant gear, or should it be their choice?
ANd Mr. President, you say…”They are going about it the wrong way/” Enlightne us Mr. President, what is the right way?
Like I pointed out in another thread, these companies are being hit with the exact same thing as TTBOY, and we all know what happened to him. With the TTBOY precenedt already upheld on appeal, what makes everybody here think that these cases are going to be decided any differenty? And they also submitted copies of the vidoes, with the bloodborne pathogen violations in plain site as part of their evidence.
No general NASCAR shouldn’t require helmets. It should be the drivers’ choice.. their informed choice. Of course, that’s a different sport. More would likely die or be seriously injured but that should still be their choice.
TT Boy shouldn’ve never been prosecuted. Sometimes decisions are wrong; Dred Scott, the justifiable beating of Rodney King, O.J., etc.
Jeremy,
Should the government regulate and inspect food production facilities, or should they stay out of the way and just let us choose whether to eat food from a certain company or not?
Is fun that how many porners, who seen to be Nanny State socialist hippies that think Krugman is too center to thei liking, turn into social darwinist libertarian when the tread of goverment intervention falls on porn.
Lesson Nº 1. The goverment that can give you all, cant take you all.
Suppose premier Odumba manages to pass Universal Health Care, once it does, and health care becomes a public issue, things like sexual practices, smoking, drinking, gun ownership, who have a impact on a person´s personal health become matters of public policy too.
If you want a Nanny State, eventually it will get to porn too.
Sammy, on what grounds do you think someone in the industry should sue Shelley. What has she said that is either slanderous of libelous?
And regarding the picking and choosing…On GFY the guy from IMMORAL PRoductions(I think that is porno dan, not sure) asked the question, why doesnt she go after everybody instead of picking and choosing. The simple answer is…she doesnt have too.
Its like speeding on the freeway. Everybody does it, but when the cop pulls you over thats your tough luck. The everybody does it defense is a pretty weak legal argument, wouldnt you agree. Actually, the “everybody does it” argument is not a defense at all, it is a confession.
I wouldnt be surprised if Shelley went out this weekend to an adutl bookstore, purchased a few more IMoral Production dvd’s and filed a few more complaints against this company. Each individual coplaint, under the sections they are alleging, caries fines well into the 30 to 60 to 160000 dollar range PER OFFENSE.
Or better yet, she shoudl go some Zero tolerance, Red light, anabolic, etc etc. and fill out a few more OSHA complaint forms with the same violations listed. Its a one page form that takes about 45 seconds to fill out and another 45 seconds fo fax to OSHA. Its free, and anybody can do it.
Well put Harvey. How many porners insist that this is a legal industry, we pay our taxes, and we want to be protected by the laws that protect us(first ammendment). but then yo ask those very same porners to follow the EXACT same safety laws that every other taxpaying legal industry has to follow and you hear nothing but childish whining and empty threats to leave the state.
ROCKPETE, you are absolutely correct…”We are all responsible for our actions.
And if you are a producer, and you hire people to do a job from which you will make a profit, then you are responsible for the health and safety of those you employ to do that job. You, the producer,(the employer) are also responsible, as are YOUR employees, to follow all the laws of the State in which you have a business license. If YOUR employees violate the law, and you are aware of it, and do nothing about it, you are responsible. If you are an employer, and you hire somone to do a job with forseeable risks it is your responsibiley to minimize those risks.
If you choose to be a producer, and hire poeple to take risks without offering any protection against those risks, then yes, YOU ARE RESPOSNIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
Remember, according to the laws that make porn legal, this is just a performance in front of a camera for the purpose of making a profit from selling visual depitctions of the performance, it is not sex for the sake of the gratification on either participant. The act of sex is for the financial benefit of the producer and empoyees, and the employer is responsible for what happnes in the workplace.
Responsibility sure is a bitch aint it Rockpete. In the workplace, the buck stops with the boss, not the employees who are doing exactly what the boss has hired them for.
…”We are all responsible for our actions.
And if you are a producer, and you hire people to do a job from which you will make a profit, then you are responsible for the health and safety of those you employ to do that job.”
That’s a perfect contradiction, bravo. Actually it’s “we are all responsible for our own actions FULL STOP.” Performers are responsible for their own actions because they are the ones fucking. That’s the way it has always been and that’s the way it will always be. There is your responsibility. Oh and the right way? Working with the adult industry not against them, that’s your only hope. Nobody outside the industry can win, that has been proven in the history of the business. The best you can do is make some inroads by getting active participants to cooperate, certainly not disgruntled former workers who are now religious obsessed and in therapy. Oh, and nothing happened with TT Boy, general. He’s still doing the same thing, because he’s a cockroach. And there is an army of cockroaches out there. You will never stop the cockroaches.
Wrong Mr. President.
Performers are empolyees. Employees are not responsible for the health and safety conditions of the workplace, the employer is.
you say nothing happened to TTBOY. I suggest you look at ttboys checkbook. Both of his companies paid 60,000 dollars in fines.
One very simple business question for you Mr. President……(hint the answer is in my first sentence above here.)..
….Who is legally responsible for health and safety conditions in the workplace?
a)the employer
b the employee
NOTE; All of the above is not an option. It is one or the other. Sorry if you dont like the LAW. Perhaps your industry should try to change the LAW.
Its a simple question Mr. President. Do you have the balls to honestly answer it?
Mr. President,
If this were two people ejoying sex for their personal gratification, i would agree with you. But this is a workplace performance for the financial benefit of OTHERS.
If you set the wheels in motion by hiring people to do this, then you are responsible for the outcome.
Re: 31:
General, stop with the generalities. Food poisoning causes between six and eight million deaths worldwide per year.
Compared to 6-8 million people, how many deaths has the porn industry caused because of lack of condom use?
Hey General, should bull runs in Spain be run instead by chihuahuas? I’m mean we’re talking about people’s lives here, dammit!
Again if condom measures are passed over the will of the people, pornoland will become a ghost town and thus so will AIM’s offices.
Again, this shit was sparked by a non existing epidemic of one patient X who has still yet to spread “HIV” to anyone! Let’s screw our heads in here and stop acting from the “heart” because one is worthless without the other.
Jeremy,
DID you know that OVER 2000 individual porns stars have gotten just gonn/chlam in the last three and ahalf years. And since your industry does not even track HPV,trichomonis, bacterial vaginosis, herpes, hepatiits, PID,(should i go on)
Since you are i the indsutry, would you care to give us your estimate of how many performers have caught any of the above mentioned diseases?
Does your iinustry track the number of girls who later develop cervical cancer as a result of repeated exposures to HPV?
Jeremy, what percentage of porn stars would YOU estimate get at least one of the above mentioned STD’s if they stay in the biz at least a year?
I’ve already provided statistics on this site General. Bacterial Gonn/chlam are not killers, can be treated with antibiotics. It seem AIMs monthly testing for them are virtually worthless as it takes mere days to develop symptoms and days or weeks to treat and be rid of it. And yes the numbers for G/C in porn-land are much higher than the general population, general. If you want to see the numbers go down then the industry should cut down on ATM and anal scenes.
Interestingly, while there is all this retarded hysteria about condoms or shutting down porn, etc because of the non-existent AIDS epidemic in porn and elsewhere, the facts show that porners are twice as safe as the general population when it comes to contracting the allegedly deadly “HIV”.
Regarding HPV the virus is believed to affect an estimated 80% of the general population. Surely it must be higher in the porn industry, but the molecular composition is the same as chicken pox, which kids get and then build an immunity to. The reason we get inoculations is based on the theory of using our own natural immune system to fight and overcome germs, bacteria, etc.
Most HPV infections in young females are temporary and have little long-term significance. 70% of infections are gone in 1 year and 90% in 2 years.
That’s the immune system at work. Of course if one is doing lots of drugs, then their immune system is greatly weakened and this allows opportunistic infections to wreak havoc when normally they would be neutralized by the body’s own natural defenses.
Surely women in particular should get checked regularly as HPV can at worst if untreated lead to cervical cancer. Women should use the extra money they make compared to guys to make sure they are feeding themselves well, not taking too many drugs, and not spend all their money at malls and they should be o.k.
and if we want to be logical let’s also stop buying any drugs with a whole scroll list of possible side effects…. if we are to judge an industry by some of it’s ‘side effects’, we should also take into account the biggest side effect of all if condom legislation passes, the last punch to knock out the porn industry…t.k. fkn o, yo!
—–Wrong Mr. President.
Performers are empolyees. Employees are not responsible for the health and safety conditions of the workplace, the employer is.
Doesn’t matter, amounts to nothing.
—–you say nothing happened to TTBOY. I suggest you look at ttboys checkbook. Both of his companies paid 60,000 dollars in fines.
Doesn’t matter, amounts to nothing.
One very simple business question for you Mr. President……(hint the answer is in my first sentence above here.)..….Who is legally responsible for health and safety conditions in the workplace?
a)the employer
b the employee
In pornoland, the employee.
NOTE; All of the above is not an option. It is one or the other. Sorry if you dont like the LAW. Perhaps your industry should try to change the LAW.
Why bother, it amounts to nothing.
—-Its a simple question Mr. President. Do you have the balls to honestly answer it?
I just did. It doesn’t matter and neither do your rants.
—–DID you know that OVER 2000 individual porns stars have gotten just gonn/chlam in the last three and ahalf years. And since your industry does not even track HPV,trichomonis, bacterial vaginosis, herpes, hepatiits, PID,(should i go on)
That’s their problem.
jeremy,
While you are correct that gonn/chlam are treatable with antibiotics, I am sure you are well aware that the most significant medical proble from these two diseases is the MULTIPLE exposures, and the medical consequences of that(sterility,PID etc.)
And yes there are many forms of hpv, from simple warts to very harmless variations. But what you dont mention is the FOUR strains that are responsible for the majority of cervical cancer, and the MULTIPLE exposeures to theses most dangerous strain.
Jerry, would you please address this MULTIPLE exposure issue and how it applies to porn.
And Mr. Presidient, when you say its the employee, and its their problem, well obvioulsy you are wrong, and that is just the facts. the eveidence to your being 100% wrong is in the precendent arleady decided by the Supreme Court OF California, and the last time I looked, pornland is in California.
Mr. President, pornland is not some real place where the rules dont apply. It is a mythiocal place that is right next door to fantasyland in your head. Your posts here are meaningless because they are 100% factually incorret.
And Mr. president, I dont think the 16 companies that now face fines for each offense adding up to millions think that it is the performers problems.
Obviously you are not the owner of oneof these companies.
There are a lot of laws on the books nobody cares about in the scheme of things because they can’t enforce them realistically. This, in theory at this point, is beyond any shadow of doubt one of those.
Mr. President,
Do you really think the 16 companies involved here share your fantasyland point of view. I’m not asking your opinion on what you think here, I’m asking what you think the 16 companies involved here might be thinking about this situation.
Knew you’d get a thrill out of this, lowercase general. I’m getting a kick out of it myself. The AHF-Christian Coalition & Publicity Whore Roadshow!
Guess we’ll all just have to wait and see if the judge deems this worthy of prosecution, or whether it’s totally frivolous and a legal can-o’-worms which will lead to endless lawsuits, expense, and negative publicity for the State of California.
I have my own solution: remain lean, mean, and highly mobile. Don’t rely solely on working in CA. Stay ahead of the laws before enforcement comes down. Look to other countries, which offer far more freedom and are less restrictive to trade. You see, lowercase g, I can operate entirely off of a couple of laptops; don’t need an office, don’t have a lot of overhead. I can hop on a jet and move about freely, shooting where I want and when I want. The State be damned.
The future belongs to those who understand “The Matrix.”
See you in hell – I’ll be dropping by to pick up a check.
President,
Your theories here are about as relevent as Jerrysteeles conspiracy theories.
And jerry, I appreciate your answer to the last post but you left oult one question.
Since you have been a performer for some time I would think that you would have a somewhat valid answer for this very sipmle question…
….If someone does porn in San Fernando for one year, what percentage of those performers do you think will get a work relatede std, including gonn/chlam, herpes, hpv, trichomonis, bacterial vaginosis, or warts? My estimate would be at least 75%. Agree or disagree?
Tird says….”we will just have to see if a judge deems this worthy of prosecution…”
Are you seriously that ignorant of whats going on here? This is not a court case and there is no court or judge involved. These are OSHA complaints, and OSHA officials will determine the validity of the case, and based on the TTBOY precedent, and the fact that these cases involve the exact same regulations one can pretty much predict what their decision will be.
As far as the mobility of YOUR com;any, thats good for you. Dont let californias door hit you in the ass on the way out. But do you think it will be that easy for VIVID? And believe me VIVID and Wicked and Hustler are getting sick and tired of having to foot the legal bill for all of you lowbudget hacks who have been riding, and hiding behind their coattails for years.
And if you’ve actually seen the complints filed, they are using the 2257 regulations to track the companies, and individual performers in each production, and even YOU have to include that info in your product, so it doesnt matter where you go, they can find you if they like. There next step is going to be filing suit against the distributors who are marketing material made in violation of the law. And then after that(and even i dont think that will be successful, but it sure will cost the porners alot of money to fight) after that they will drop their final bomb, which is being prepared and has been for some time now. That is the ultimate goal(can you figure out what that is going to be?)
This is just the first step in a very well thought out battle plan that they have been working on for a long time, they just needed to wait for the next HIV case to set their wheels in motion.
I forgot to mention, These people are much more organized than the porn companies ever will be. They are counting on the porn industry to stab eachother in the back, and they are relying on the ignorance of the lowbudget guys to get to the big boys. What do you think the boys at VIVID and Wicked think of Porno Dans comment at the press conference that “if they are going after a few companies why dont they go after ALL the companies.” Talk about playing right into your opponents hand. And then Porno Dan goes and mentions MRSA(a very conatgious form of staph infection), as if to suggest that the porn idustry also has this running through it. Good move Dan, you really hit a home run with that one. And by stab in the back i mean some companies will just pay up, and therefore provide MORE precedent, and leave those who want to fight on their own.
And the funniest thing is, had the person who made this case pulic on GFY kept their mouths shut, these guys would have never known about that HIV case, and the AHF and Pink Cross would still be waiting before putting this into motion. I guess Bill Margold was right all along when he predicited that the industry will bring its own demise upon itself all by itself.
Christian coalition? When I read this I immediately thought of a small army of girls w/ strap ons. But, either way, this coalition is out to fuck us.
3rd Axis points out that we should be aware and prepare for where we’re gonna ship shop if these crude crusaders successfully help drop the shit upon the fan.
To answer your question with a guestion general, what’s the point of asking if supposedly 80% of the general population already has or had at least one of those STDs you named? The cats been out of the bag and running around for a while and what of it? Chill out. No one’s cock has fallen off yet, that I know of. Just take care of yourself, get tested, visit your doctor, do alt. research and get second and third opinions.
You should just put a body-size on your little kid to wear in school all day if he’s never caught chicken pox, because you never know, there are small numbers of deaths from the disease.
If you don’t want to be a porn star and swim in the pool because it’s too dirty for you, that’s your freedom of choice. If you were a performer who wanted to only work with condoms then there are companies who will hire you. But don’t force your paranoid rules on me and keep your hands off my cock!
If this condom law passes that means everyone will ship shop to where they don’t have to obey these professionally suicidal johnny-come-lately rules. That’s just fucking brilliant for the economy and a wonderful service the people of these providences.
More people moving out of California I guess is good for real estate agents…
corrections, should’ve wrote:
most everyone will ship shop
body-size condoms for your kid to make sure he’s safe
Yes, I know that this is an official filing of a Cal-OSHA complaint. You’re the ignorant one, g, if you seriously think this won’t lead to numerous lawsuits. Do you think that Larry Flynt will just roll over for Cal-OSHA? Ignorant, indeed.
As far as my loyalty to the State of California, I am a native-born Californian, so the door always swings wide open for me. Do I need to solely rely on this state to earn a very good living? Hell no. I’m no different than many other CA-based enterprises, which have business interests abroad. I could give two shits and a fuck about Vivid or any of the big companies – they can take care of themselves. I needn’t ride anybody’s coattails—like you ride on OSHA’s—because I make my own way on my own terms and remain happily independent. My budgets are low because I keep them that way, and I directly compete against every other company, large or small, for my piece of the pie in this industry. I strive to stay adaptable, because it’s the intelligent thing to do. It’s a new era in technology and business models, in case you haven’t heard. Oh, right… you were probably out fishing on your retirement pension from OSHA. What a sad, boring life, that you must obsess about a profession to which you have no connection, apart from the porn you consume. Now there’s loyalty for ya!
You have to try much harder than that to bait me, li’l g. It’s quite obvious who the hack is here.
Forgot to address the point that this only effects producers who use CA employees, and produce within the state (and, of course, you are not free to transport CA employees out-of-state). It won’t (yet) effect producers in other states as long as they’re using their own state’s employees, and it won’t effect imports at all.
There will always be alternatives and work-arounds to government intervention and regulation – just look at any other industry in the US.
Government lackeys like you just crack me up, g-lizzle.
Tird wrote…”that you must obsses abouta proffession
to which you have no connection…’
You know what they say about assumptions….Again, you make up these fantasies in your head and actually believe them. WHile I may not “work” in the industry, it is completely incorrect to ASSume that i have no connection.
Then enlighten us as to your “assumed” connection. If you can’t spell it out, then you’re a total front. Why should anybody believe that you have some degree of credibility if you insist on this ridiculous masquerade? Lame. I can prove my affiliations, and have here to the admins of LIB.
If you don’t “work” in the industry, then you don’t have any stake in it. You have OSHA, or some other gov’t insignia, branded all over your ass, bitch. There’s an “ASSume” for you. Guess they’ll hire anyone, no matter how spelling-challenged they are.
Keep on obsessing, and whacking off to your own fantasy importance. I’ll still be making money off your pathetic dime, long after the dust settles on this—just one more of the many chuckholes in a long-established industry.
Hey 3rd Axis, don’t you miss being called “Third of Ass”, even though the phrase makes no sense?
I just re-read how Rockefeller once said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner (7 years before 9/11): “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
This statement reminds me that those out there pushing for change after a crises (real or unreal, authentic or synthetic) may be more concerned about using crises to further advance themselves in some way then in actuality solving the “problem”, itself.
Dear Germy Steal, Shut the fuck up! Talk about what you know well, like ######, and don’t post using the name POONTALK.
(NL- I thought you two were friends, with friends like you Poon, who needs enemies!)
Jeremy – Yeah, that was a creative one (actually spelled right) from one of the many personalities of “you know who.” I put the little general in the same Multiple Personality Disorder boat, heading up the creek without a paddle, his little Napoleon hat perched jauntily atop his pointy little head.
You’re right about that quote from Rocky. “They meet at a place called ‘The Meadows!'” (name that movie).
There is a myspace group that was against Larry Flynt calling him a racist and a bigit/womanizer/abuser, but they also said the safety of performers on set wasn’t great and really sucked. What would you rather have? Food poisoning or HIV? Me, myself and I, would rather be admited once every month to the emergency for food poisoning, then get HIV. Wether its easy or not to catch, who wants to be that “person”? Quick, someone, anyone, raise your fucking hand, don’t be a pussy, I know one of you wants to catch HIV, right? Well if none of you do, niether does anyone else! Wether your in the porn industry or not, just knowing someone or anyone who got HIV off of a scene, makes some people who know them want to try and stop the transmision of a desease that kills people twice, socially and pyhsically…
P.S I haven’t posted, I’ve been busy taking care of the house and granma at night, because my pop’s in the Hospital. It’s been a rough couple of days.
Third Axis, I’ll go on a limb and say the movie is College Confidential featuring Steve Allen, Jane Meadows and Rocky Marciano, among the others. Original and intriguing, definitely a classic years ahead of it’s time. Good call, my friend.
There’s no school like the old school.
Hmm, I’m gonna have to plead my ignorance of that film, Colonel. I’ll have to check it out – interesting cast too!
No, I was quoting a line from the Mike Myers comedy, ‘So I Married an Axe Murder’, where Myers’, playing the dual role of son and father, utters the proclamation as the elder, “Stuart McKenzie.” Stuart, in his thick Scottish brogue, is referring to the place where “the Gettys, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds” (roll those ‘r’s) meet in secret to plot world domination under the New World Order – “a place they call ‘The Meadows’.” Funny flick.
‘…Axe Murderer’, sorry.
There is a very good post from Ernest Greene over at the ‘Pro-Porn Activism’ blog, which I recommend everyone following this LIB thread read:
“STIs in Porn: Round 232”
http://bppa.blogspot.com/
It should spur some lively debate back here.
I haven’t seen So I Married an Axe Murderer, but I guess it should be one of Mike Myers’ better movies. He hasn’t been interesting in recent years, though his Austin Powers movies had some funny moments.
My favorite scene from Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery is when Dr. Evil who is brought out of a 30 year period cryofreeze, contacts the United Nations and demands a 1 million dollar ransom, because he still thinks one million dollar is a lot of money and everybody laughs at him. That was great. I’m gonna check So I Married an Axe Murderer.