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"I spent eight months in Hebrew school… I had a Bar Mitzvah [Jewish ceremony to celebrate turning 13]. I probably slept with 500 girls before I turned 18. I've usually gone out with women older than myself. I was going to nightclubs and bars at age 16. When I was 17, I was going with a 26-year old stewardess for United Airlines who had her own apartment on East 63rd St. in Manhattan. I felt like a big kid. I lived in Brooklyn. "My brother and I are completely different. He was a school teacher and principal. He's retired. I have three nephews. I have no kids. I had a boat rental business in Miami Beach. I'd keep my brother's kids (6-8 y.o.) up until 3AM, eating pizza and watching TV. "These were the days of black and white loops. You'd rent 20 for a weekend and throw a stag party. Get an 8mm projector and hope that the bulb wouldn't burn out or the film wouldn't burn. "I was introduced to somebody who dealt in stags. He wanted to use my Manhattan penthouse as a location. I said sure. I got to know the people well… "We shot 8mm black and white loops with people like Bob Wolfe, Rob Everett [Eric Edwards] and his blonde wife Kathy, Linda Lovelace. "I had two cable TV shows [in New York in the 1970s]. One with Al Goldstein, Midnight Blue, and The Robyn Byrd Show. Gloria Leonard had a show called The Stroke At Midnight. I started Robyn Byrd [show still going]." Leonard's third husband, Bobby lived with Gloria through most of the '80s. They divorced in 1990. In the early '70s, Hollander was arrested and convicted of interstate transportation of obscene material. Bobby regards his best movie as New York Babes, a 1979 35mm production for Arrow written by Armand Weston. "Big cast. We had 100 extras. It was about two softball teams - the New York Babes and the San Francisco Dolls. Vanessa Del Rio, Marlene Willoughby, Serena, Gloria Leonard. "The other big 35mm never got released. It was ahead of its time. Pregnant… "When we'd shoot in New York, John Leslie would come in for two weeks… Paul Thomas, Milt Ingley, Leslie Bovee, Desiree Cousteau, Jessie St. James… There were more West Coast girls working than East Coast. "I got in the business for the girls, the money, the people… It was never a 9-5 job… It was another form of show business. And it was underground. There was no shooting on location. You had to shoot quietly. You had to sneak equipment in [to the building]. It was costly if you got busted." With fellow New Yorkers Ted Snyder, Bobby Genova, Hollander moved to Los Angeles in 1980. Bobby invented the shot-on-video vignette format. Each story in the original Personal Touch series "provides steamy up-close video sex with laughs and behind-the-scenes stuff. Graphic, unique and featuring one of Shauna Grant's first performances." (AVN 97) Years before Ed Powers, Bobby created the interview-sex format with Touch, Centerfold Celebrity and the Bubble Butts series. He also discovered Shauna Grant and appeared on a PBS documentary about her suicide, earning criticism for his sleazy appearance and comments. In 1983, Bobby made Valley Vixens for Gourmet Video. "Gorgeous girls, well-endowed men and good-natured sex... Sweet, innocent Shauna Grant got her start in these quickies..." (AVN 97) Hollander also made House of Hoochies, "where big-boobed babes congregate and assault any able-bodied male who walks through the door. Fiery redhead Whitney Wonders does doggie-style as Alex Sanders shoves his shaft into her tight snatch. Renee Bennett takes her natural boobs and squeezes a stream of milk over John Bennett's cock, before squatting on his sticky shaft for a jiggling ride." (AVN 97) "I was the first person to interview the talent," says Hollander, "with Centerfold Celebrities in the early '80s for Visual Entertainment. I used the personal touch where the talent talked directly to the audience… I made the Personal Touch series for Arrow." "There are lots of [Jewish] heavies in the industry," comments Jewish writer Wally Wharton about persons like Bobby Hollander, "who know that Jewish guys have a wimpy reputation. And they know that people [in porn] don't necessarily respond to "I'll sue your pants off," because these people [porn business owners] can always file bankruptcy. You can't get blood out of a turnip, right? So instead, they do the strong-arm thing. "I'll have your f---ing legs broken, buddy." A lot of them [Jews in porn] pretend to be Italian [mafia types]. They affect the tan, gold chains, big collars, steel grey hair and open shirts. "I talked to a real Italian at the XRCO Awards and said, "Don't you hate it when these Jewish guys try to be Italian?" And he said 'Yes!'" Porn Jews who appear Italian include Hollander, Lenny Friedlander, Paul Norman, and, on occasion, Ron Sullivan. "The mafia is a comfortable persona to hide behind," notes Wally, "because then you're able to victimize women...because that's your job. Genuine Italians like John Stagliano don't draw on the mafia phenomenon like the posers do." 7/24/98 Bobby Hollander drives up in his big Cadillac. Tanned and with a wide smile, the charismatic veteran pornographer always looks happy. Bobby remembers the day he met Gloria Leonard on a Cheri magazine shoot for the Best Blowjob contest. "I was doing the video and she was doing the makeup. Peter Wolfe edited the magazine and Peter Hurt was the photographer. Wolfe died about three years ago. "The industry was smaller and tighter back then. It wasn't everybody doing drugs, getting f---ed up, and ratting people out. It was respected. Now everybody's getting into it because they think it is easy money and easy girls. 'If you don't f--- me, you can't be in my movie,' which is pathetic. We're now degrading the women. Anyone who can get off watching 300 guys f---ing one girl has to be perverted. I can see 300 girls f---ing one guy… But 300 guys cumming in a girl's face? Do you find that erotic? "That's what annoys me about the newcomers. I'm not saying don't come. But come in with style and class. Have respect for the women. You're dealing with people's lives. "What also pisses me off is that some producers are doing the pissing, s---ting, fist f---ing and the animals, just because Europe will pay them an extra $500 for that scene. That's against the law and I hope that they get caught. The actresses will tell you, 'I s--- in XYZ's mouth. But I got $500 for doing it.' "I'd like to see some of these new kids do three, five years in jail, and see what it is like when someone bends them over and f---s them in the ass. Pornography is legal to a point, as you long as you stay within the guidelines. "I owned Silver Fox Productions from 1989-92 before we sold it to Metro. I shot 104 shows, for $7-$15,000 each." Bobby collects watches (60) and shirts (200). In 1994, Bobby had a five inch cancerous tumor in his left lung. Surgeons cut out the entire lung. "It kicked the s--- out of me. I never felt my age, which I am not telling you. I look young. You can see that I'm still smoking. I'm a f---ing moron. When I came out of the hospital, I stopped for six months. As soon as I went back to work, I started smoking again. "I had a check-up yesterday and the doctor told me that if I could stop smoking, I could become a ballet dancer. I recommend to anybody to try to stop smoking. My father died of lung cancer and my mother died of emphysema. "I did my share of drugs. I went through two houses (Toluca Lake and North Hollywood) in California. I had a penthouse in Manhattan. We used to shoot there and party there. I thank God that I am still alive. "I've got a new movie out, for Mystic Productions, Forbidden Perversions. And I'm negotiating with Bruce Seven and Bionca to do a classy boy-girl line. Bruce is one of the rare talent guys in this business. He's the king of girl-girl. "Stagliano and Seven have imagination. They use camera angles and close-ups. It isn't just suck a cock and get a string. It's key words of dialogue, and tease… "Gourmet carries an all-girl video I'm proud of - the original Girls Gone Bad with Rachel Ryan, Erica Boyer… "I used to manage Shauna Grant… She already knew about cocaine… She did various magazine layouts and became friends with Laurie Smith who did hardcore. "Shauna did a video for me and liked it. And the public took to her like flies on s---. She was the sweetest, with that baby face and creamy skin. "I'm opposed to drugs. It does f--- you up. You blow a ton of money." Bobby got busted in the late '80s. He went through an AA program and as part of his probation, was tested everyday. Hollander got dirty on a test and did six months of jail time for probation violation. "I didn't sell drugs. I was a doer. "This was shortly after the debut of Amber Lynn. I started her in the business. She went out with a friend of mine, Sonny. I was living with Lance Kincaid at the time in Tarzana. "Amber came in after a layout for Chic magazine. We went to a 7-11 that carried the magazine and she was signing autographs. Her first video was for my Personal Touch line. I was still doing coke. "She was damn good. The public loved her. She had a great ass. She sucked a mean cock. I shot her in Centerfold Celebrities. I had a fight with Jamie Gillis and John Leslie over who got to f--- Amber. They both wanted to f--- the s--- out of Amber. John Leslie wound up working with Amber." Hollander is the credited publisher of Adult Cinema Review. "It was the first X-rated newsstand film magazine which started in the early '70s as Cinema X magazine. Vanessa Del Rio was on the first cover. I think I gave Del Rio her name. She was a cocktail waitress in downtown New York. She's one of a kind. Happy go lucky, wouldn't hurt a fly. There's no one who looks like her, performs sex like her, or talks like her. "Today the talent are all blondes, with fixed tits, and they all wear the same shoes - plastic pumps. They wear the same spandex dresses. They have the same tattoos. They have the same pussy clips. There's no originality. "I try to stay happy. It's easy to be miserable. I've been with money and without money. I enjoy gambling and partying. I've gone through good times and bad times. I have some good male friends. I think people in this business need good close friends, because this business can get depressing. "After you come home from a shoot that is 9-18 hours long, and you wait, and it's cold, hot, cum…It's this and that… Your cock is hard and it's soft. And this chick doesn't turn you on. And you did an anal and she didn't take an enema, so there's s--- all over your dick… This can all play with your mind." I watch Bobby pay off a $500 sports bet. "I enjoyed the show [VSDA] in Vegas. I got there Wednesday night, and played [gambled] Thursday, Friday… I was up $6500. I went home Sunday with $300 in my pocket. I lost a few bucks. Next month I'm going to Tahoe and Reno for a few days. "What are you supposed to do for excitement here [Los Angeles]? Go to a party and get high? I don't do that anymore. "I was never a
marijuana smoker. I found that if I smoked marijuana, I couldn't drive.
My drug was cocaine. I was able to drive… I'm too old for it now.
And there's more s--- around. You read about the black tar heroin. People
are keeling over dead because the mix of heroin and cocaine is so pure.
There's more to life than drugs. What I've seen in this town with the
f---ing speed, the cheap s---. That stuff is poison. They snort it and
it keeps them going for six hours. Coke was natural. You were able to
taste it and you knew what you had. You could cook it. I have smoked
it and free-based. Usually I snorted it."
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