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"Serious history of the dirty-movie business." Booklist



Stacy Valentine, born and raised in Oklahoma, first shot for Gallery magazine in Atlanta, in January 1995 after sending in nude photos of herself to the sex magazine. She appeared in the July 1995 issue.

In her first time out of the United States, Stacy traveled to Mexico in November 1995 for a solo Hustler shoot which appears in 9/96 edition. Stacy also appears in a boy-girl shoot for Rave.

"He was really hot," says Stacy. "I had so much fun having sex in front of the camera. I didn't have to have sex for these shoots, but I wanted to. I'm a bad girl. I got into this biz because I love sex. I enjoy what I do and it shows."

Born 8/9/70, Valentine did her first video in Mexico in February 1996 for Coast to Coast. She appears in a boy-girl, girl-girl and an orgy scene in Bikini Beach 4. Vince Voyeur did Stacy up the ass for her first scene. "He's good size. But the night before, I went home with Jon Dough. And I couldn't do him in the ass. He was way too big."

Jon Dough: "What's she talking about? I f--- her up the ass all the time. You've got to be careful about talking to people in this biz because most of them lie."

Stacy got her porn name from her first scene which was performed on Valentine's Day.

In the orgy scene on the beach Stacy does Kitty Monroe, Jon Dough, Vince Voyeur, Lana Sands and two other girls. "I loved it. I had a great time. Everyone was so nice. It just felt natural."

In March, she did a dp for Director Joey Silvera with Marc Wallice and Tom Byron.

Englishman Mark Davis is her favorite stud. To the joy of passersby, she gave him head in the backseat of Tom Payne's BMW 6/12/97 while I drove them down Magnolia Boulevard between shoot locations.

Out of Stacy's 60 videos, her favorite is Expose Me Again directed by Michael Zen. She plays a student filmmaker from the mid West who spies on people. Randy West appears in drag. "He was the ugliest chick I've ever seen. I found it difficult not to laugh while he gave it to me up the ass."

Miss Valentine is an only child. "My mother would rather I not do porn. But I've just gotten out of a bad marriage (number two) and so it's better for me to be here. So long as I'm happy and well taken care of, she's happy.

"I'm a Leo. I'm territorial. I'm identical to a cat. I'm independent but I like to be the center of attention. But I won't compete for attention.

"I like things my way. Everything has to be just so. When I find someone I like, I prefer to have the person all to myself. In my personal life, doing a threeway is cool, but if it was ultimately up to me, and I wasn't wanting to please anyone else, I wouldn't do it. Because that's my property and I don't like sharing my property. If I ever get into a relationship again, I won't have messing around. It will be monogamous.

"While I'm in this business, I won't have a relationship because I don't see how you can have a serious relationship while having sex with other people."

Stacy stands 5'4", weighs 110 pounds and measures 36DD-25-35.

She enhanced her breasts in 1994 from a B bra size. "I love 'em [her new breasts], for they give me the confidence to do what I'm doing now," said Valentine in the spring of 1996. "I wanted to keep them natural because when you see ones that are too big, they look silly. I don't want to look silly. Just eye-catching."

Valentine moved up to an E cup in 1996, hated the new size, and got a reduction in the Spring of 1997 to a double DD.

Stacy had few boyfriends in high school but one male remembers her clearly. "As a native of Tulsa. who was out stomping the same time that she was, I can tell you she was gorgeous in high school.

"I didn't go to the same school as her, but remember being in the same circle a couple of times, and she was an angelic-looking blonde -- much prettier than after all the surgery."

Stacy: "I've always gotten along better with men because they are less catty. I want to be myself when I hang out with someone and wear my sweats and my hat backwards and eat pizza and watch TV instead of having to act a certain way. Men are more relaxed, friendly and natural. They don't care how you dress. Because I tend to hang out more with men, it makes it even more difficult for me to have female friends because then there's jealousy.

"I've always been a loner. I haven't spoken to my father since I was 16.

"I was adopted when I was six weeks. My mother loves me very much. I'm her pride and joy. If something happened to me, she'd die. My mother and my cat are most important to me."

Stacy says that if her cat and a stranger were both drowning, she'd first save her cat.

"My parents divorced when I was eleven and my house burned down when I was twelve. Aside from that, everything was normal.

"I always looked at Playboy and Penthouse. I loved to look at women. Naked women have always turned me on. Naked men didn't do much for me.

"I've masturbated since age 14. My friend had three brothers who had Hustler and that sort of stuff and so we were always looking at those."

Stacy lost her virginity at age 15 to a 21-year old man that she'd dated for six months. "I don't think first-times are what they're cracked up to be. I've had it a lot better since."

Her first experience with a woman came at age 22. "It was with a girl with whom I went to high school. I heard she was interested in girls. I saw her at a bar one night and I had enough in me to be bold enough to go up to her and say, "I heard you were into women. And if you are, would you be interested in me?" Luckily, she was. And that was great. So soft. There's nothing like the touch of a woman. They're so soft and tiny and frail. I love that in a woman but not in a man. I like my man to be very manly. I don't like any sensitivity in a man. I want him to take me, and grab my hair and spank me, asphyxiate me and be firm. It's a power thing. I'm so helpless. I like that feeling. Being helpless and having someone taking advantage of me. It's hard for me to act like I don't want something. "Oh no, no, no, don't stop"."

In a few years, Stacy want to still have her hand and other body parts in adult entertainment, possibly directing as well as having on-screen sex.

"Everything happens for a reason and so I'm coasting right now to see how things fall."

Stacy moved into Woodland Hills in May, 1996. When she's not working, she likes to shop for clothes, furniture, books, candles, crystals, incense, essential oils and "spiritual stuff". She also enjoys playing on her computer. "I'm getting ready to go on line.

"I'm not an exciting person. I like to read self help books like Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. I like to learn how people react to things because I'm not a good communicator. I take on more of the characteristics of a man. I like to avoid problems. I don't like to talk about my feelings. I keep my feelings in until I blow. I did that last week. Someone [Johnathan Morgan] disconnected my pager."

"I liked Celestine Prophecy. I'm into books on aroma therapy, herbs, gypsy magic and anything weird, mystical and spiritual."

Stacy is one of about two dozen porn girls who earn over $1000 per regular sex scene. She makes almost $2000 for an anal.

2/1/99:

Joey Markham writes about Monday's Entertainment Tonight cover story on VCA contract girl Stacy Valentine:

Bob Goen (intro): Stacy Valentine is an adult film star. But while she strips down to nothing in her triple-X movies, a new film about her life strips away the make-up to discover the very vulnerable, very real person hiding within. Now, Stacy's incredible story is our Entertainment Tonight cover
story.

[Throughout, we see clips of Stacy making public appearances, brief home videos (when she was a baby), clips from her documentary, of her at an ice-skating rink, clips of her in hospital undergoing surgery, with her one-time boyfriend, etc.]

Stacy Valentine: I want people to know that there's a real person behind the pornstar image.

BG: Her business asks its actors to reveal a lot. But in 'The Girl Next Door', Stacy Valentine reveals a lot about her business.

SV: I do wanna be famous. I love the attention.

BG: The film follows her path from housewife to pornstar. With the slick and glossy image of Stacy Valentine replaced by the very real picture of Stacy Baker.

SV (clip from 'The Girl Next Door'): It's just really weird to look in the mirror and you kinda see a stranger.

SV: I'm human. I'm really human. And I think people should know that.

BG: She comes from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where she was adopted by a mother who loved her then and still does now.

SV's mom (alongside SV's stepfather): I never thought that she would be in this business, but we're still very proud of her.

BG: She became a centerfold when her husband sent nude pictures to a men's magazine. The marriage went bad, she went to Hollywood and made her first movie without a second thought.

SV: I chose the adult business because it was something I wanted to do.

BG: Now, Stacy is skating into a new world. Her documentary showed at Slamdance, the film festival taking place alongside Robert Redford's
star-studded Sundance. Stacy was enjoying the spotlight but didn't seem fully prepared for her very first look at the film.

SV: It was very emotional and very dramatic. I felt really sorry for myself at times! (smiles) I thought "Oh, that's so sad!" (We see a clip of Stacy from TGND, talking on the phone and holding an award).

BG: Her relationship with her mother was perhaps the most touching part of the film. At times, she says she loves her job. At others, she says she's
getting out.

SV (clip from TGND): I'm trying to make myself unrealistic. Most girls in the business, their bodies are unrealistic and I just can't keep up with that. It's really wearing me down.

BG: She had her breasts made bigger and then made smaller. She's been through liposuction and had her lips pumped up.

SV: I haven't watched the plastic surgery. I can't watch that. I'm through with plastic surgery. That's it. I don't wanna put myself through that.

BG: And we see her problems with romance. Relationships seem restricted to others in her field and all that sex makes love difficult.

SV: Just because I do adult films doesn't mean that I don't get my feelings hurt and that I don't get my heart broken.

BG: She may be a pornstar, but she is 'the girl next door'.

SV: I'm still searching. I'm still searching for what I want in life.

[End of article]

BG (wrapping up): There is some good news for Stacy, though. From her exposure in 'The Girl Next Door' at the Slamdance festival, she has been cast in a mainstream film.

Stacy Valentine Dates Mob Boss

VCA contract girl Stacy Valentine is dating Genovese family mob boss Joe Dente who is notoriously prone to jealousy and violence.

Stacy Valentine was surprised to find out that Luke found out and published Sunday that she's dating Dente. Valentine writes: "Hey he is a friend of mine... That is all... I am not involved in anything he does and dont care too be. A source uhh... well tell that source to mind his own f---ing business."

Stacy was spotted at New York's Magginos restaurant in the company of Joe Dente this past weekend.

Like the Judy Filanov model discussed below, Stacy Valentine has also experimented extensively with cocaine.

XXX writes: Luke it is fairly common knowledge that Stacy Valentine "Plays for Pay." She is about the highest of the high dollar "personal entertainers". Chances are if she was out with Joe Dente she was being paid well to be there. Look back on your own site, you will see that Stacy has been "dating" other very rich and powerful people

I quote and summarize now from the 11/21 New York Post article by Daniel Jeffreys:

Judy Filanov was one of Heidi Fleiss' call girls. Under the Hollwood madam, she became the top party girl for the rich and famous. Now she tells all about the $tars, the $ex and the $ingle life in Tinseltown

A TOP party girl in Hollywood Madam Heidi Fleiss' stable has come forward to expose the dirty truth about Tinseltown: How sex and women are used as pawns in a never-ending battle of oversized egos.

In 1989, Judy married Sergei Filanov, who was known to the FBI and Royal Canadian Mounted Police as the leader of "The Russians," a gang that had assumed a dominant position in the Canada-U.S. cocaine trade. Six months later, Sergei was assasinated.

Judy's cocaine use accelerated after she stopped seeing Jack Nicholson. Then a dark cloud from her past descended.

"I was approached by the Mafia," she said. "[Mob boss] Joe Dente kind of took me under his wing. At first I welcomed his companionship. Compared to everything else it felt safe. Because they were also constantly in danger, I felt I could trust them."

She said Dente fell in love with her and began referring to her as "the lady of my house." That dubious honor came with new risks. Dente was jealous of Nicholson and warned Judy to stay away from him.

When Judy and Joe were dining out one night, Mickey Rourke greeted her with a flirtatious hello and she had to stop Dente from sending his men over. "Joe said he wanted to rip Mickey's head off," Judy said. "I had to work all my charms just to get him to settle down. Heidi heard about it and had a real problem. She told me my relationship with Joe was going to make it impossible for me to work."

That was one of the few times Judy argued with Heidi Fleiss. "Heidi was so arrogant about Joe Dente," said Judy. "She would never admit this but she had a lot of help from various Mafia groups getting to where she was."

From the 11/19/95 Las Vegas Review-Journal:

Another compelling twist is the fact law enforcement continues to cast a cynical eye on gentlemanly Joe Pesci, who does not shy from his friendship with Genovese crime family soldier Joe Dente. Pesci is famous for his ability to play a mobster, and the police wonder just how much acting he's doing. Dente is a man on the make inside what organized crime experts call the Hollywood mob.

From the 11/06/99 Daily Mail, about Judy: "She had also been spending time with Los Angeles gangster Joe Dente, and out of jealousy he did not want Judy associating with the film star."

Stacy Valentine writes Luke: "Listen I dont know what your problem is?... First off what I do in my personal life is none of your or anyones business... If I do something within the industry thats fair game but, stay out of my personal life. If your going to put something on the web check with me first. I should have the oppurtunity to know what you are going to put up on the web before you do it. Its not that hard you know where I am. You could check with me anytime just to be professional. I mean this is f---in bulls---. I here about this s--- you wrote from a person in my fan club. You could have told me ahead of time."

The 4/14/00 New York Times ran a review of the Stacy Valentine documentary: Here's an excerpt:

The Girl Next Door," Christine Fugate's melancholy documentary portrait of the porn star Stacy Valentine, suggests that the intersection of pornography and cosmetic surgery has given birth to a new genre of performer: the porn star as human approximation of an inflatable sex toy. With her platinum hair, fat-injected lips, breast implants and body planed by liposuction, Ms. Valentine doesn't look entirely real. Of course, that's probably the way her fans like it.

As Ms. Valentine repeats several times, she has always been dissatisfied with her looks. The film's gruesome scenes of her undergoing procedures to reduce her artificially inflated breasts and to trim her buttocks reveal the cost in discomfort, not to mention dollars, of developing and maintaining a pneumatic appearance. But hey, it's a career investment, isn't it?

There is something self-deluded in the eagerness with which Ms. Valentine presents herself to the camera, even allowing it to follow her into the operating room. She is certainly not someone you're likely to find interviewed on Oscar night by Barbara Walters. But her readiness to bare all emotionally as well as physically reveals a streak of grandiosity. Is it really an act of courage in this era of free-for-all confession for her to reveal so much? Or is it simply exhibitionism posing as truth-telling?

Chaim Amalek writes: Luke, I recently saw "The Girl Next Door," a documentary about a porn participant named Stacy Valentine. The subject permitted the film crew to follow her everywhere - including to her plastic surgeon's office. All in all, there are three reasons to see this movie.

1. If you have never really seen a modern porno video, this will comfort you by letting you know that you have not been missing anything, assuming what we see is representative of the genre. Or maybe you will rush out to buy some videos. Who knows.

(Holy s--- Luke, how can you stomach this? Is it just a matter of desensitizing yourself? And, in all of your visits to the sets of various shoots, have you ever gotten anyone's bodily fluids on your skin or clothes?)

2. You get to see a grown woman, the adoptive mother of said Valentine, express happiness over her daughter's chosen profession. This is a reason to see the movie if you are into creepy cinema.

(Query: To what degree are porn participants disproportionately the product of awesomely f---ed up homes? I mean, what mother, biological or not, is happy to see her daughter make a name for herself doing this stuff?)

3. Ok, now THIS is the kicker. You get to see, up close, what certain very common plastic surgeries look like. First, we see the surgeon yank out a one liter sack of goo from each of her breasts via the nipple, and then replace said sack with a somewhat smaller implant. Next, we see fat being liposuctioned from her abdomen, and deposited as a bloody slurry into a large jar. Finally, we get to see her have something injected into her lips to make them look fatter. I will bet damn few of the viewers of porn not in medicine have ever seen even one of these three operations in clinical detail, let alone all of them in one movie.

Please forgive me if I have been judgemental in this letter. And I certainly mean no ill will to the woman who is the subject of the movie. But boy, there are lots of less painful and less embarrassing ways to make a buck, no?

PS If you could have sex with a porner for free, but it would be captured on video and sold to the masses for onanistic purposes, would you? What is the minimum payment that you would require to have condomless/protected sex with a randomly selected woman in a commercial porn video?

Luke: Sex with a porner, captured on video and sold to the masses? Probably $100,000 with a condom, $200,000 without, but there have been plenty of times over the past four years when I would've done it for a lot less. Tells you something about my capacity for self destruction.

Yes, I think many porn stars are screwed up. I am not sure that most were abused as kids. I think it is normal for people to do self destructive things, like appear in pornographic videos, take drugs and the like. I have a dim view of human nature. Without God, most people are slovenly.

What percentage of porn stars come from awesomely f---ed up homes? My guess would be 50%.

How do I stomach writing on porn fulltime? Because it beats the alternatives. It is easier, more enjoyable work, for more money, than the alternatives that I see for myself. And I handle it through a great deal of desensitization.

Velo writes: I just returned from the NY "premiere" of STACY VALENTINE'S new movie "The Girl Next Door" which was held right here in NYC at The Screening Room. Once the film concluded, there was a little meet & greet & Q&A session with STACY, the director and one of the producers. My question to her (which the director thought was a good one) was "what does she think or does she have a comment about Luke F-rd: Is he good or bad for the industry or is he just trying to stir up the pot?"

She hesitated, studdered and was almost at a loss for words, but you could see in her expression that a nerve or sour note had been hit because she finally managed to say that she has or had absolutely nothing good to say about Luke F-rd.

5/17/00

FilmThreat's Date With Stacy Valentine

Here's an excerpt: She told me that she has no interest in pursuing legit acting because she can't take rejection. Her whole time in the porn business, she was on top of her game, and nobody ever told her no. She said she wanted to retire before she becomes one of those girls that people say "why is she still in this business" to behind their backs.

She admitted she has trust issues with people and doesn't make friends easily. She said she isn't afraid to hide her past when it comes to meeting people in the future, although she said she has found that most people lose all respect for her when they know her past. She doesn't like it.

She says she was never into drugs and the whole porn community is so involved in it that it made it hard to be friends with them outside of work, which is why she moved out of Los Angeles all together.

3/31/01

Telmo writes: Hello Luke, My cousin and I spoke with Stacy Valentine in Toronto. She was touring around AOV videos plugging her last video and signing autographs. She was extremely friendly and cordial..until I mentioned your name. She said your brand of reporting "was like the national enquirer". You must have really pissed her off. Nice girl regardless.

Jason Stoner writes: Luke, I saw Stacey Valentine this evening (2001/03/30) at an in-store. The site was an "AOV" (Adults Only Video) on East Hastings Street in Vancouver, Canada. Attached is a picture I took of her.

She says she is living in New York (Manhattan) now with her boyfriend and is taking psychology courses at college (I didn't ask which one). I asked her if she had tried any mainstream work. She said she did a little but was not impressed. She says she just wants to be out of the camera's eye, any camera, mainstream or porno.

AOV is a national chain in Canada and frequently hosts in-stores. Stacey is on a Canadian farewell tour. AOV is promoting her video Red Vibe Diaries #3 of which they are the exclusive retailers in Canada. I've also seen Missy, Misty Rain, Dyanna Lauren and Shane at AOV in-stores.

Stacey was very friendly. There were about 25 or so people in a fairly small store. A handful of couples. Pretty relaxed atmosphere, Stacey was into chatting, autographed polaroids were only 5 loonies each, came with an autographed movie slick and she let me take the digital photo gratis. That was great, she stood up and went right into pose mode. A true professional.

4/19/01

TBFan writes on RAME: On Monday, Stacy Valentine appeared on The Bynon Show. A Canadian talk show, hosted by Arlene Bynon. Stacy was very composed, conservatively dressed and looked more beautiful than I had ever seen her look in her porn days. During the nearly hour-long interview Stacy commented on her decision to leave porn, her breast operation, the documentary "The Girl Next Door", her ex-boyfriend Julian and, of course, sex. All in all, she came off as a real sweetie and seemed to be a very intelligent and well spoken young woman. For you guys who missed the interview, well, since I have a few hours to go before the hockey game starts, I decided to transcribe the interview...

Arlene Bynon: Today on our show we have adult film actress Stacy Valentine.
Stacy Valentine: Hello.

Arlene: Let’s get right into it. How many breast enlargments have you had?
Stacy: I've had enough.

Arlene: How many more can you have? Is there a limit?
Stacy: I don’t think there is a limit, I don’t know.

Arlene: So now you’re on the way down. You’re on the curve.
Stacy: I got up to a double E, and now I’m on my way down. Now I’m down to a D, hopefully, down to a B or a C.

Arlene: Why do you want smaller breasts? How does that co-relate with the new Stacy Valentine?
Stacy: Actually, by watching the documentary, “The Girl Next Door” I actually realized that I didn’t need the breasts. I was already pretty and unfortunately I didn’t see that back then, but I see it now, and I see it in a lot of people. How beautiful they are but they’re so critical about themselves.

Arlene: They don’t see it.
Stacy: Right.

Arlene: How does it feel...You were so forthcoming in this documentary. It really looked at your life, everything. It was surprising. We went in the operating room. Were you surprised when you sat down and saw your life put together like that? Stacy: It’s very strange to actually watch it. The only way I can describe it is that you are writing in a journal, but, you are actually watching it instead of reading it and it was very therapeutic to do the documentary because obviously your views change as you get older. You get smarter. Of course, at 20, I thought I knew everything and at 25, I thought, “Oh God” I didn’t know anything, but then at 25 I thought I knew everything. Now at 30, now I know everything. But, no actually, I’ve come to know that I don’t know everything. It was really nice to see how passionate I was about the certain views I had. Now it’s four years later and I have different views. It’s hard to actually pin-point those things but there’s a feeling that I’ve changed. I’ve grown.

Arlene: So you think the documentary actually did that for you?
Stacy: Absolutely.

Arlene: Okay, we’re gonna run a clip from your documentary, “The Girl Next Door”. (Video clip)
Arlene: What do you think about that? Would you agree?
Stacy: Actually, no. Actually, what I was talking about was talent... female talent. The women get paid a lot more than men, in the hetero part. In the gay side, that is a completely different issue. But the men make half as much as the women, if that.

Arlene: You also alluded to the people who should get into it, should get into because they really like sex.
Stacy: Yes, if that’s something that they like and they are an exhibitionist and know what they are getting themselves into. I suggest doing research, alot more research than I did. I was, I was not forced but pushed into it. Fortunately, I was strong enough to survive in this tough business.

Arlene: What about now, though. You were very supportive. You have changed, in the documentary we can see you change. You were wondering. You were very forthcoming in it. You were very honest. How do you view the business now? Is this a sort of farewell tour?
Stacy: Actually, I’ve been outta the business for a year now. The last movie that I did, that is what I am promoting with the AOV stores.
Arlene: And that’s the farewell?
Stacy: Yes, that’s my goodbye.
Arlene: How do you view it now?
Stacy: Now, I view it... (lengthy pause) A little harsh. I was very, I was so innocent. Back in the beginning I was so innocent and so passionate, you know. This is what I want to do and this is great and there is nothing wrong with it and this, that and the other, but now I see that it had a lasting effect.

Arlene: Are you damaged at all?
Stacy: I noticed that I was very lonely watching the documentary. I believe, I think I tried to trick myself into believing I wasn’t lonely and I didn’t need anyone. But watching the documentary I saw that I was just trying to trick myself and I really was very lonely. It’s hard to have a relationship with someone when that’s your job to sleep with other people.

Arlene: It’s almost impossible. Well, we think it’s impossible but at certain times you say it isn’t.
Stacy: Well, you see in the documentary that it’s really not possible. It was not possible for me to have a relationship. I couldn’t have a relationship with someone outside the business because I could never justify to my boyfriend, “Well I’m going to have sex and I’ll see you later. Don’t you do anything, but this is just work.” How can I expect him to be faithful when I can’t be faithful. So that’s not fair so I never tried to date anyone outside the industry while I was still in it. So I started seeing someone who was in the industry and he had more problems than I did with it. It was fine with him to work with all these people, but the one time in the documentary we worked together and it shattered everything.

Arlene: What did that show. I mean when I saw that scene and it was Julian and you’re supposed to do a scene together but you’re doing... you’re with another guy first. But you see that, despite everything that you said and everything that you hear, human beings are human beings.
Stacy: Absolutely! He couldn’t separate it. I couldn’t separate it. There are people in the industry that are together and they can handle it. I don’t know what really goes on but on the surface they seem to not have a problem with it. I just, I can’t do it. There are people who are swingers and I pass no judgement on that but I can’t imagine wanting to see your partner with somebody else. It doesn’t work for me, maybe for other people, but not for me.

Arlene: When did you get honest about it? Was it when you were watching the documentary? Was it seeing yourself? You kind of had to sit on your own and say, I had it wrong.
Stacy: With Julian, with everything deteriorating the way it did. I started realizing that none of this can work and I think this is what I want and I did want someone. I did want someone to care about me and to love me for me and to stop just seeing me as a sex object. Arlene: It’s frightening having you on a documentary saying this other stuff. It must be a little scary figuring out what you did. Stacy: It was a little scary and also a little humbling to actually have to eat my words. Seeing me say it here and be passionate and then turn around a few years later and that’s knowledge and time and being true to myself. Being totally honest and not trying to fool myself.

Arlene: And there’s a freedom to that?
Stacy: Yes.

Arlene: What kind of courage did it take to invite people into an operating room with you?
Stacy: I really, I didn’t give it a second thought, I put all my trust and faith into Christine, the woman who shot the documentary and we developed a really close bond. I bonded with her. I was allowed to bond with her and it was hard for her to keep her distance and not be able to interfere with me and talk to me about things. “I think I should do this, I think I should do that” and it was so hard for her because she couldn’t get involved with her subject. I didn’t find that out until after the documentary was done and we started doing interviews. I listened in on one of her interviews and she said how hard it was to see me making these decisions. We won’t call them mistakes, but decisions that I made. It was hard for her to just sit back and watch that happen.

Arlene: When you were talking there, when we came in there, about the pressure to make unrealistic things about your body. Is there a pressure within the industry or do the girls put that upon themselves?

Stacy: It happens with the reviews that you read. It’s very hard to read in the first caption of the movie you’re in “Well, if you like fat girls, Stacy Valentine is your gal!” Well, I’m just making that up but I’m, there is that pressure from reading things. Fear of reading something negative about yourself, and just gossip. It’s competitive, I mean there is not catfights going on but there is those small jabs. I always had my back to the corner because I was afraid somebody, I was afraid everybody was out to get me.

Arlene: You read your reviews because you ended up getting double E’s.
Stacy: Double E’s, yes.
Arlene: Is that power?
Stacy: It’s pain.

Arlene: There must have been a reason you did it?
Stacy: I was dating someone, it was one of the most ignorant decisions that I have ever made. I was dating someone who liked large breasts and he was paying for them. So I did that and well, you know. See it as a lesson to someone, they are going to be in you and you’re going to have to deal with them. I won’t say, “Don’t do that!” but I will say think about it. That’s why the plastic surgery is in the documentary, not to change someones mind, but if I can effect a decision. Maybe take a second, you know, and think about it and realize how violent it is. It is not a pretty sight, as you saw.

Arlene: You, how do you put that together with what you do in the movies? It is hard to watch operations, I had to fast-forward some of your parts in your breast operation, but how, how come the movies are okay for you but it is hard for you to watch an operation?
Stacy: Well, the operation was just, well, gross. Gosh, I really don’t know how to explain it. By seeing that surgery happen it was like I was looking at myself, not as me but as another person and I was wondering, “Why did she do that?” You take a second thought and then go wait... that’s me. Why did I do that?

Arlene: How do you see yourself having sex in the movies? How do you view that... differently?
Stacy: That, well, I don’t, I mean, I really had a great time. I learned so much about myself and possibly I could have learned in another career, but probably not. I wouldn’t have the knowledge...

Arlene: What did you learn making these movies and having sex?
Stacy: Well, with that I learned. Well, I learned a lot about sex. (They both laugh)

Arlene: Did you learn anything about yourself?
Stacy: I learned there is a lot more to having someone care about you then just the physical. There is so much more behind and to just have sex with someone is just that. If you actually care about someone...
Arlene: It’s different.
Stacy: (continues) and you’re with them. It’s a totally different level. It’s a totally different feeling.

Arlene: Now, you got into it because your husband, your husband at the time, asked you to pose for him. Was it a Hustler shoot?
Stacy: Yes.
Arlene: And you won the contest?
Stacy: Yes, and I was chosen as the girl next door. I had no self-esteem and I thought I was fat and ugly and he kept saying, "send it in, send it in." I thought there is no way, nobody... nobody wants to see me and then, in less than a week, I had a phone call saying you’ve won. We are flying you in to do a photoshoot.

Arlene: How did you feel?
Stacy: At first, I couldn’t believe, I didn’t believe. I thought, are you sure, are they sure it was me... Are you sure it was my picture? Then my self-esteem increased, maybe not for the right reasons, but I always did have low self-esteem but I did feel good and I started feeling better about myself. It started going up and down, just like the stock market.
Arlene: It’s like life.
Stacy: Ya, I go through fazes. I have low self-esteem, then high self esteem, then low self-esteem. It was never ending.

Arlene: Okay, let’s take another look at the documentary. (Video Clip)
Arlene: Has Julian learned something from watching the documentary?
Stacy: I hope so, we don’t speak. I haven’t spoken to him since the documentary. He’s now married to another adult film star and I wish him lots of luck. I hope by watching it he’s not angry with the documentary. He was portrayed not very nice and not too many women liked him after seeing the documentary. But we really did treat him very nicely. We didn’t show any of the...

Arlene: The other stuff.
Stacy: Right.
Arlene: Very well put. What was it like? You get an audition then you get an offer to be in a porn movie. What went through your head? In the documentary you said, "I went in and it was so much fun." Was there no fear at all about having sex in front of a camera?
Stacy: I don’t know how that happened. I think that’s that alter ego that I created. I have always been very shy and very quiet and I believe I was able to create another character that... that... Stacy Valentine has no fear, she doesn’t have headaches, she doesn’t feel bad, she’s not in a bad mood. That’s Stacy Baker, as soon as Stacy Valentine comes out everything is great, there’s no problems and there is no fear. I have terrible stage fright. I failed speech. I could not get up in front of anyone and speak.

Arlene: But yet, you went along with everyone and had very little trouble.
Stacy: And that was Stacy Valentine. That was the character that I was able to create that wasn’t afraid to be on television and speak or stand up in front of 500 people and speak about my documentary and speak about my life.

Arlene: And you put them into two different worlds?
Stacy: Yes.
Arlene: When I saw the documentary did those two people come together. I mean you kept them separate but as I watched the documentary I wondered if the lines got a little blurry for you.
Stacy: In the beginning of my career there really wasn’t a separation between Stacy Baker and Stacy Valentine and that was one thing that Julian helped me realize when we did break up, that she was dominant and she had a career and that was the only thing on her mind and everything else was, including Julian, and I do regret him having to suffer through it, however, it helped me realize, and he helped me realize, that I was not a great girlfriend to him and I’m sorry for that but things happen...

Arlene: They do, they do. We got to take a little break and we’ll be back with former adult film star Stacy Valentine. (Video Clip)
Arlene: There seems like a community in the adult film industry. Is it like a family? A place where they share this family?
Stacy: It is. It is. It’s like a tight-knit family that is very hard for you to, for lack of a better word, penetrate or get into that circle. With what we do and the hours that we work. We see the same people and we see the same crew and it is like a family. A lot of people who are in the adult industry don’t have a lot of contact with their parents for whatever reason. Fortunately, I’m a mommy’s girl. I talk to my mom all the time.

Arlene: She is very supportive.
Stacy: Yes, when I told her she was like, well, I guess I can’t ground you and send you to your room. And I said, “No” then she said, “Are you safe” and I said, “Yes.” Well that is all I wanted for my daughters.Not this way but I love you and I’m your mother.

Arlene: Do you wish she had talked you out of it? Do you wish she had said some of the things that you learned?
Stacy: Honestly, it wouldn’t have done any good and I can say I wish that she had but I know how headstrong that I am, and when I get something in my mind that I’m going to do, I’m going to do it. Then, a lot of the times I turn back around and go “Gosh, she was right!” She is always right. That is the one lesson that I know so well now is that she is always right.

Arlene: You are so proud of this. You are so proud of the documentary. You say I’m so good at this, that and the other. Are you proud of your achievements?
Stacy: Yes, I am. I was able to keep it all together and to keep the professionalism and the awards that I was happy with. Pleased with... I mean they have awards for best anal scene. I can’t see myself putting that on my fireplace mantle and saying “Hey look at this!”

Arlene: But you worked at things like that.
Stacy: Yes, but the best actress, performers, starlet. Those were nice. They were different to me. I viewed it as a different type of.. Bottom line, they are all the same but it felt nice to be recognized for something other than sex.

Arlene: Do you view sex differently now, then you used to? I mean many people put sex and love together. Pornography takes it away. You had some valid arguments in the documentary about doing it and keeping it separate. How do you feel about sex and love now?
Stacy: Now that I have a boyfriend, we’re...

Arlene: Is he in the industry?
Stacy: No! He is in the stock market and yes, I have finally found somebody that has nothing to do with the business. We really don’t talk about it. He doesn’t watch the movies. He doesn’t want to meet any of the... You know, get hooked up with anyone, anything like that. Like something I used to do and we really don’t discuss it anymore.

Arlene: How does he feel that you’re promoting your last movie? Red Vibe Diaries is it?
Stacy: Yes, Red Vibe Diaries 3 and he’s okay with it. He misses me, I’ve been away for two weeks. I started in Toronto and I’ll end in Vancounver in a couple of weeks.

Arlene: Are you interested in going into mainstream movies.
Stacy: No, no, I’m not. I don’t want to cross over into mainstream. I don’t consider myself an actress. I have no training. It makes me nervous. It would make me very nervous to be judged on my performance. It sounds funny, I have no problem being judged on my sexual performance but it’s the confidence. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the acting area. I’m very shy and it makes me nervous to have people staring at me.

Arlene: What do you think of sex now? Is it different? You personally.
Stacy: Let’s see.
Arlene: Do you view it differently?
Stacy: Yes, it took awhile to change my views on sex because it did become, well, that was my job and for four years that was my job.

Arlene: What do you do when you go to work and you don’t feel like it? Like, we go to work even though we don’t feel like it. Stacy: I was very fortunate to be able to choose everyone I worked with. Everyone can’t have great days everyday. Some days I wasn’t as enthusiastic but that was when Stacy Valentine would kick in even more. It was incredible, I always had a great time. Well, except for a couple of times when I would get sick and I had a little bit of problems, but you just have to be strong enough to work through that. It was... I could complain and moan about it for an hour but it still had to take place.

Arlene: Did you enjoy the sex you were having?
Stacy: Yes!
Arlene: You did?
Stacy: Yes!
Arlene: I mean you would be having sex then they would say cut and you would lose all the emotion and all the sound and everything.

Stacy: Some of it, some of it would get mechanical but for the most part I had a great time. I mean it was... is something I’m sure I will look back on and think I did fly by the seat of my pants and I did take those chances and I’m happy with everything that I’ve done. And I got to meet some very nice people and the fans. Especially the tour through Canada. I love Canadians, they are so nice and the men are so attractive. I don’t know if it is the water or what but they are very attractive.
Arlene: I think that’s worth a news story. You’ve seen a lot of them?
Stacy: Yes.

Arlene: What is it about when you look back? I mean you say you’ve changed since the documentary but you still wouldn’t take it away. On one hand you say the operations and why did I do this, but on the other, you’re saying I don’t have any regrets.

Stacy: I think it’s the knowledge and I think the best lessons that you learn are by making mistakes.
Arlene: What was the mistake you made?
Stacy: One mistake that I made was getting into the industry. I really didn’t give it a second thought. This is my way out of my... I had a very unpleasant marriage. That opportunity was there for me and I just thought, “I’m gonna go for it!” I didn’t give it a second thought. I left everything in Oklahoma and moved to California and I didn’t have a place to live. I mean now that I’m older I look back and think back about it, “what was I thinking”. I wasn’t. I didn’t know if I was going to go out there and succeed or if I was gonna get chewed up and spit out in six months and then what do I do. I was very fortunate...

Arlene: To be a success at it.
Stacy: Yes, you either swim or sink and I wasn’t about to sink and the strength realizing that I am a strong woman when I thought I was weak.

Arlene: What part of it made you a strong woman?
Stacy: What... need?
Arlene: How did you know you were a strong woman?
Stacy: I was able to be in this scary situation and not know anyone and have never been out of Oklahoma and to just go for it. I think I didn’t even let failure enter my mind. I had that top of the ladder that I was going to and I never thought I was never going to get there. I don’t know where I picked that up along the way.

Arlene: We have to go for a break, but do you think you’ve applied that to something else?
Stacy: Now, yes. I’m going back to school for psychology and I would like to find out why people do the things they do and I think I would make a good case study.

Arlene: I do too, we’ll be back with your view of pornography. (Video Clip)
Arlene: You feel a little different about that part now? Do you need people.
Stacy: Yes.
Arlene: Yes.
Stacy: Yes, you do need people in your life. I realized I can’t do it all on my own. You do need people in your life.

Arlene: How do you view pornography? I mean when you were in the movies people must have looked at you in a different way. How do you view it? How did you view it then and how do you view it now?
Stacy: I think if you are over the age of eighteen and you would like to be stimulated by it, I’m all for it. I think people should be able to watch whatever they want to watch. It’s legal and we’re not promoting rape, violence, drug use. You won’t find any of that in adult movies. I mean we’re having sex. Everybody’s having sex. Everybody does it and I don’t have a problem with it. Now, I’m having sex with somebody that I love and I couldn’t imagine now having sex with somebody I don’t care about.

Arlene: Do you watch your movies now?
Stacy: No, I don’t.
Arlene: Why not?
Stacy: Because I know what it's like behind the scenes and I know the people. If I were to watch an adult movie, I would watch the older ones where I don’t know the people. Because I know the people. I’ve hung out with them and it just doesn’t seem right to be stimulated by them.

Arlene: Was it erotic on the set.
Stacy: To a degree, we’re still there because it’s our job and we’re getting paid but if you are at a level and you choose the people who are attractive, I mean I was at a level where I choose people whom I was very attracted to. That made it very easy, and being in these really nice locations in Beverly Hills and Malibu, it’s like Cinderella and I’m playing dress up. I’m like a Barbie Doll.

Arlene: How much money did you make doing movies?
Stacy: I made quite a bit. Five digits per movie. I was very fortunate. I was 25, so I had already lived my life with not having a lot of money and I saw the value in that. You see these 18 year-olds who get easy money and they get that money and they just keep blowing it and blowing it and when they get out of the industry they don’t have any money, they don’t have anything to show for the time they put in and that’s an irreversible thing, it’s like having a child, it’s an irreversible thing that they are going to have to life with. It’s there for the rest of your life. It’s on video.

Arlene; How do you feel about that?
Stacy: I’m comfortable with that.

Arlene: What if you have children?
Stacy: I won’t show them it and say, “hey look at this,” but if after they’re 18 and if, for some odd reason, I know I wouldn’t want to see my mother having sex, but if they want to... they want to. Go ahead, I mean I’m not going to lie to anyone about anything because I’m not ashamed of anything I’ve done. When people try to camouflage or hide what they’ve done I think there’s a problem with them. I’m not ashamed of it and just try to keep it as a positive thing.

Arlene: You said in the documentary that there is a shallowness and a hollowness to it all. And other times when I’ve interviewed other people from your industry that have left with a similar sense. Some of them say yes and some of them say no. Where do you fit in?
Stacy: It’s a little shallow... it’s a little shallow. It’s going all on looks and sex and so I do think it can be a little shallow.

Arlene: But more rewarding then people think?
Stacy: I think so. I keep going for the things that I learned...
Arlene: About sex?
Stacy: Yes, yes. I learned some... some... well, I won’t go into detail about that but...

Arlene; ...Cause it’s a family show.
Stacy: Yes. (They laugh)
Arlene: You did. You learned some stuff. So what do you want to do now?
Stacy: Go back to school. My brain is like a sponge. I’m craving knowledge. With the internet I can do so much research. I can learn so much stuff and I want to get that degree. I’m not sure what I’m going to do with that degree but I just want that accomplishment, that goal. That’s the next goal that I’ve set for myself and before I never really thought I was smart enough to do it, I didn’t know but if I can succeed in the pornography business, I can do anything and I’ve proven to myself that if I’m strong enough and want something bad enough that I can get it.

Arlene: Then you have a separate goal.
Stacy: Yes.
Arlene: Now your Red Vibe Diaries 3, that is coming out. I mean what is it like to do this tour and to come onto this show and talk about... Is it hard to talk about this documentary and people who know about your life. You were like a reality television show.
Stacy: Actually, I loved the Red Vibe series there’s the 1, 2 and 3. They were shot on film and they were very high budget and AOV have carried 1 and 2 exclusively...

Arlene: Have they sold a lot?
Stacy: Yes, they have.
Arlene: They are your most popular movies?
Stacy: Yes, and they are very nice movies for couples. They’re geared more for couples. They’re not something you would watch alone. It’s not real graphic and it’s got a storyline through it so it’s not quite as shocking but if a woman were going to watch her first adult movie, I would suggest one of the Red Vibe series because it’s pretty and it’s not that, “It’s right there in my face!”
Arlene: It’s made especially for couples.