Sunday, October 31st, 1999
Ian Gittler's Pornstars Book
In March 1992, Ian visits Heather Hunter at her apartment in the basement of a building on Mulberry Street, just off Houston, in New York. She's smoking a joint. She says she's leaving porn. She's cut a dance single on Tommy Boy Records.
She buzzes a group of kids in and they all go into her room and do drugs.
Ian and Heather make plans to do a photo shoot. When he calls back a week later, her number is disconnected.
Gittler goes to see Sharon Mitchell at the Show World Follies. She pushes his finger into her crotch, like Jeanna Fine ordered him to feel her breasts.
Mitchell seems high but she claims, "I don't do anything anymore. I'm clean, baby, really. No dope."
A manager mutters, "This is why they f---in' booted her ass from the Triple Treat."
Gittler writes: "Mitch's Show World Follies gig is a demotion. This place doesn't get half the traffic as its flagship sibling Show World Center. The potential for Mitch to cash in on extras beyond her guarantee isn't good."
Mitch kisses affectionately a fellow stripper Sapphire and they arrange to meet after her show.
Interview magazine features an article on April Rayne. It's called, "An Actress Who Likes Taking Chances." April's real name is revealed - Andrea Nashak. Interview's film critic praises Andrea's performance in the independent feature film Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me... Then the New Yorker magazine publishes an illustration of Andrea by Robert Risko.
Ian feels that Nashak's mainstream success vindicates his original vision that porn stars are real stars. He phones to congratulate her but her number is disconnected. Tom Byron says she's turning tricks and has no place to live.
In July 1992, Gittler is back in Los Angeles on the set of the Vivid film Sleeping Beauties. He meets Savannah, the subject of a recent rant by Howard Stern over the blow job she gave Guns n'Roses guitarist Slash at Scrap Bar in Greenwich Village.
Writes Ian: "She looks heavy, bloated. She carries her large tits like they're a burden. Her pale face looks washed out with no makeup."
Director Paul Thomas rushes over to greet his star, and tries to make her feel appreciated. She's three hours late.
Four days later, Ian takes photos of Savannah on Paradise Cove in Malibu. Then she takes him home and passes out. He pads around her apartment and looks at pictures on her refrigerator.
"The last shot is of Steven Hirsch, the owner of Vivid Video, standing next to her Miata. Jamie Summers says Hirsch bought it for Savannah, and this apartment as well, in a "been there, done that" tone of voice, but one maybe tinged with jealousy, too."
Madison takes Ian under her wing. She likes having a photographer from outside the business follow her around. "It's a status symbol," writes Gittler. They go to the VSDA show in Las Vegas.
Madison has an entourage and bristles whenever her control is threatened.
Tabitha Ripoff
John Gotti from PST says that Jake Steed's ex-girlfriend Tabitha is
dancing at the Century Lounge, near LAX airport. "She has a bad
atitude, her site internet site ripped off everyone and never updated
its content for months before it went offline. She
Gary writes: Luke, are you stupid or do you just have a death wish? I can't believe you've brought back that reference to Mike Albo on the entry to your website. Could you please post a picture of Albo on your website, just in case the Los Angeles Times doesn't run a picture of him after your beating or your death. I'd like to see what he looks like.
Luke: Here are pictures from the opening of the Hustler Hollywood December 3, 1998:
Aghast in Modesto writes: Jeez Luke, What was up with those photos of Mike Albo at the Hustler store opening? Was it a costume party and he was going as Truman Capote? That getup was worse than his traditional "fairy wings" outfit. I say you can take him in one punch. So do it!
Done writes: Who would have ever thought that Albo was a pussy. Hes sorry. Luke be a star and beat that guys ass. End his career.
Mc writes: Warning, Luke F-rd, Danger! Be careful with all these feuds old boy,many of these people you are sparring with are mentally unstable and/or have serious drug problems and a good coke binge would push them over the edge to put out a hit on you.
Kush: Jesus Luke: IF Albo isn't a f---ing fairy then I don't know who is. By the sound of his threats I thought this guy looked more like a Spallone then a Truman Copote. You could kick this guys ass with one hand behind your back.
Brian Oblivion writes: Mike Albo, how disappointing. Are you kidding me? I read your droll post regarding the now-infamous Mike Albo and my mental image of him was one of some thuggish ex-football player who couldn't manage to shave twice a day to beat down his testosterone soaked beard. The reality of seeing this frequent masterbator and fantasizer in the flesh (photo) is very disappointing. I was hoping to read your obituary someday and cleverly comment on your death to my non-porn-watching friends. After seeing Mike, I now know this will never happen. If you go to a titty bar, there is always THAT GUY. You know the one, he knows all the dancers by their first names, he has his regular seat, he needs to wash his hair, he IS Mike Albo. What a loser, how can a man who can barely drag his lard-ass out of his well-worn couch to pee expect to whip anyone's ass? Posting his pic was definitely a mistake, Luke, whatever entertainment value the stories about Luke Vs. Mike are now pathetic anecdotes, not interesting stories. Why do you suppose he wears the hat? Some of you guys know...the rest don't want to know, trust us.
JL writes: Luke: Mike Albo's sure changed a lot in four years. I found an interesting article in the March 1995 HEVG.
"Porn people are crybabies. That's not a put-down, kids, it's a simple statement of fact. Since becoming editor of this magazine, I've had daily calls frompeople in the business,bth performers and those behind the scenes, who whine and moan and bitch about how unfairly they are treated by HEVG.
"Maybe they're right. Perhaps we have been a little harsh in our treatment of certain elements in this business. Talent agent Jim South was reportedly angered about being referred to as a 'peckerwood' in our April 1994 issue......Danyel Cheeks called me at home to let me know that she 'did not appreciate being called a f---hole' by Seth Roberts. Her boyfriend at that time, an ex-marine, was threatening to come by our offices and teach all of us some manners.
"Well, *excuse* us! "We're not out to crush egos or ruin careers. We're just trying to entertain our readers. We just want to have a little fun."
Would you believe the author of those words was none other than Mike Albo??? Seems to have changed his views since the March 1995 HEVG came out (page 15, Mike).
"We mock the things we are to be." -- Mel Brooks as the 2000 year old man, from the album "2000 and 13," 1973.
Nice Jewish Girl left the following message on Albo's machine Saturday night: "Hi Mike... Don't hang up. I read what you said and you know, and I really understand you being mad at Luke. I mean, look at the way that rotten guy has treated me, he is so f---ed, I can't even tell you. Maybe I should come over to your house and we should talk about it, what do you think? So don't worry, you don't have to f--- him up. I will f--- him up. God knows if I ever f---ed anybody, he would kill himself. So don't worry, I know how to hurt him worse than you could ever think about."
Brad Shaw
Luke interviewed porn webmaster Brad Shaw Thursday night. Brad's been burning up the chat boards like www.condomproject.com with aggressive accusations against leading webmasters.
In our interview however he had nothing bad to say about anyone. I must've caught Brad on a bad night.
In the biz 30 months, Brad runs a click-thru program (www.siccash.com) and pay sites.
Brad: "Being outspoken has helped me meet a lot of people but I wouldn't say it's brought more profit. It's free advertising...
"Serge [Birbrair] is a sweet cuddly guy if you meet him in person [a submissive bottom]. On the boards he's a different person. Same with me... In person I'm not an asshole..."
Brad's made his name blasting password sites - sites that post passwords to porn paysites. This attracts lots of traffic and click-thru revenue.
Brad: "We charge $30 a month to access our member's area, so they're getting the stuff for free. If they post your password, you'll get a 1000 people an hour logged into your member's area that shouldn't be there... And it can shut down your site. And I'm the first person to file a lawsuit against them. And I have one pending right now in US federal court against the owner of ultrapasswords.com. Most of them are smart guys they just don't want to work hard for their money. They want to steal from other people.
"For the past week I've been trying to get the sponsors to stop supporting them. Some do and some don't. Most of them say that they don't but privately they still send them money. Many of the password sights make $20-$40,000 a month.
"Making sure that the credit card companies don't pull the plug [on porn sites is a major concern]... Because without credit card companies, we'd be screwed. Mastercard is imposing large fines on excessive chargebacks beginning January, 2000. I think it's $100 per excessive chargeback over 5% on international transactions. I think VISA will do the same thing... That could put you out of business quickly.
"If someone is honest with the surfer, his chargebacks will run 1-3%... For others, up to 10%. Depends on how good your customer service is."
Luke: A chargeback is when someone successfully disputes a credit card purchase. Just what I and numerous others have been doing with Vivid Video aka Vivtech.
Shaw says he's received death threats for his aggressive pursuit of password traders. He plans to back off.
Lee Noga: Brad you wimped out on your interview, came off as a shill form of advertising, ya had the platform, da' power, the attention of Luke F-rd, ya had a chance to do something to push back from all the spewed venom, and you talk about multiple personality disorders between Serge and yourself (on and off the boards). Shame on you! LOL.
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Mad Jack
Mad Jack phoned Thursday night: "I've got three porn girls sitting here now and we're duping footage and we're barbacuing on Mad Jack's porch and we're about to go to the swing club... Who are the chicks? Baby, what name are you going by in the business? Bobby. A brand new 19 year old girl came and did a girl-girl for me for free. She looks awesome... I'll snap a digital of her right now. I'll get her to show me some skin. She's f---ing unbelievable dude. And she's laying on my bed. And then I've got Annetta and my most recent anal... Goddamn, Bobby, you've got some tits girl! You're mom gave them to you? Oh Jesus, Luke, you'd kill to be me."
Mad Jack: "Did I come in her mouth??? You're truly a f---in' perv!!! What do you think??? Yeah, I grabbed the back of her head and spurted."
Riley on Rape
Pat Riley writes on RAME that he gets off on rape scenes:
Of a type, yes.
I presume your interest in mainstream movies extends to other than the current period and you're reasonably familiar with the period of the immediate post WWW2 era. In that era the closest one came to sex was generally someone such as Cary Grant or John Wayne grabbing a known and friendly girl and forcibly kissing her. She would inevitably struggle but trapped in the arms of a strong male would finally yield and demonstrate her acceptance and vulnerability by circling his back or neck with her arms. The scene cuts.
Similarly in the prewar period you have scenes such as in GWTW where Clark Gable carries a protesting and struggling Vivien Leigh up the stairs for an unseen night of in-out followed by a morning scene with Vivien waking up with a cat-that-ate-the-canary smile on her face. Rape? Even without going to the level of the Dworkin-MacKinnon loony left, some of the more ridiculous (but serious to them) college dating codes would seem to indicate that without 100% consent up front, that's indeed what they were.
Baker ("Sperm Wars") explains the reluctance/protestation as the females way of testing the male to ensure that he's sufficiently powerful to overcome her defenses and therefore would make a good father in the sense of producing strong offspring. In a review of his book in, I believe, The New Republic, this point was supported by the reviewer who added statistics from a study of rape victims showing an unusually high pregnancy rate. Obviously the study was before widespread contraception and the availability of abortion but seems to add fuel to the idea that the female is subconsciously very competent in managing conception.
In my view some level of coercion--and it probably has to be physical--would be a desirable addition to the porno repertoire, but unfortunately with the current mob of yahoos, it probably would descend into a Max Hardcore-like joke. I have no wish however to see the sort of activity shown in the Central Park jogger case (in NYC a few years back a group of low lifes seized a female off the jogging path, bashed her head in with a rock, and raped her) but I fear that is exactly the sort of activity that would appeal to the "jam that huge dick up the petite girl" poster (i.e. he wants to see the girl hurt).
There is the implication of...distress in movies such as Femmes De Sade, Waterpower, Fiona On Fire, and Expensive Tastes. I can't recall any where there is any real follow up such as with the French movie Rape Of Love. The latter had the worst of all possible worlds with repulsive males, a gang rape, and a feminist anti-male diatribe for the second part of the movie. The nullification idea--she really loved it--is indeed the easiest way to go but I think it's still well beyond the capabilities of the current people. They don't really even try though. Any attempt is usually converted into "play rape" where the viewer feels cheated if he's even fooled in the first place. To work, nullification shouldn't come as "It really wasn't rape" but rather as "He raped me but half-way through I realized that I liked him/the sex and wanted it to continue." The Wayne and Grant examples at the beginning are really metaphors for this type of activity.
...If there's a continual succession of (in this instance) unpunished rape movies, especially of the stranger-back-alley-beat-the-girl-up kind, the bourgeois viewer will be repelled by that type of movie and cease to see it as anything but worthy of condemnation. The proper resolution will mitigate the possible offence.
Refreshed after a night of watching porn and a little sleep, I'm now ready to tackle lattara and Msmulatto on the subject of participator vs voyeur.
First let me go back to my original position as imagined participator and try to clarify. Just as you find it difficult to put into words what's happening when you voyeuristically watch a sex scene, I also have problems explaining the participation angle.
Not that either of you have mentioned it but just to get it out of the way, a participator does not imagine himself as a porn stud on a porn set screwing a porn actress. Some of the slavering fan boys might do this but I certainly don't. I'd even say that if the movie maker emphasizes the porn aspect too much as in a pre-screw interview which mentions "working with" the scene becomes un-erotic with the only hopes of recovery being the stunning looks of the girl or an abnormally passionate performance giving the lie to the idea that she's only "working with".
It's a similar idea to the preening tapes such as Playboy and Penthouse. There's no participation in any action because there's nothing to participate in but you're not just watching the girl as an exercise in "Oh, yeah, she has a really nice body" while she washes the car but rather you're thinking "Wouldn't it be nice to run my hands over her firm tits and along her silken thighs..." IOW it's more than just a neutral admiration of the female form which seems to be the direction the voyeur heads.
As one moves up the action or characterization scale, the problem of the ineptness of most porno movies confuses the issue. If it's not possible to suspend disbelief or the character is insufficiently developed then the normally-a-participator viewer has to fall back on the looks/performance described earlier but presuming an ideal or close to ideal porno movie the participator is taking the girl and the concept and using her and the scenario to build his own fantasy.
>You seem to be assuming a universally egocentric or empathic (or vicarious?) >experience of porno (and, I assume, fantasy in general).
Focusing on the "fantasy in general" part, yes, that's correct. The same applies to mainstream movies and in areas having nothing to do with sex. In the politically incorrect times of my childhood, I have vivid memories of going to the Saturday matinees with a mob of kids from the neighborhood and watching (say) a western where John Wayne rounded up the wagons and killed lots of those vicious Indians thereby defending the sanctity of American womanhood (or something like that). The next day the entire neighborhood would be playing cowboys an indians with the prime role being the John Wayne character, but of course with some minor modifications. JW wouldn't go anywhere near those icky women, much less touch them, and we'd be a lot smarter than JW, knowing exactly when the indians were going to attack and the cavalry arrive.
In the porno area the participator is following the same principles with the same sort of modifications. He doesn't actually appear in the scene but rather it serves as a building block for his own fantasies so in fact calling him a participator is probably simplistic and wrong but I don't see a better word.
I can find a g/g scene erotic and do, and I imagine if I were female I could also relate to the gay scenes. What is happening is that I'm extracting the attractive girl and the reason why she's being g/g-screwed and I'm building a scenario along those lines. It's important that one of the girls be dominant and stay in character and if this is the case it easily becomes me screwing the girl. I haven't changed sex and I'm not imagining myself as female but just using those parts which are important to my fantasy. There's another advantage to g/g scenes as is sometimes pointed out by the g/g-fans: there's no sweaty ugly male. You don't have to work at expunging the parolee from your fantasy.
A second advantage is that where the two are real life lesbians or close to (some of Rodney Moore's girls from Seattle) they actually show some liking for each other which results in that emotion so often missing in porno scenes, passion. OTOH, you don't want to carry over the fact that this girl is likely to hate or at a minimum reject males. As shown in Things Change, a good moviemaker can impart a sense of "She's a deluded girl who would be screwing you (a guy) if she only knew how great you are." A good set up for one of those "gentle" rape scenes.
I can understand an unwillingness to do anal sex in real life--messy, painful, etc.--but those deterrent aspects can fairly easily be blotted out in your own fantasy. What the participator female would see is that gay male (presumably handsome and that's the reason for the concentration on the gays--faced with types such as RJ and Tedeschi in straight porn, we can all relate) is not butt banging his buddy but rather has been extracted into your fantasy and with a similar degree of passion is giving you a sense of "fullness" and that emotional contact you desire. Any pain/mess just doesn't occur. OTOH, if you hate the idea of anal sex so much (I'm not saying Msmulatto does, just pushing the idea to the extreme) you wouldn't want to watch it because there'd be nothing to pass across to your fantasy.
I'm sure there are plenty of guys who ARE dreaming that it's them kicking the winning goal in the World Cup, especially the young. Not sure if it applies to soccer but this is why in baseball there's so much condemnation of a player who's caught using drugs. The parents/powers-that-be, correctly in my view, feel that the youngster treats the baseball player as a role model and wants to be just like him. It's more than just fan adulation though as can be seen when you watch a little league game (or whatever the marginally organized local kids playing on Saturday morning would be called). You can see some of the identical mannerisms--the swagger, the hand gestures--you see in the professional game. Not much different than my earlier John Wayne example.
But even if this is limited to the young there are other problems. Soccer is a game of excellence where you can admire the performance of teams or players without actually fantasizing about your involvement. The comparable situation in porn would be an admiration for (say) Peter North's ejaculatory distance or a cheer from the viewer when Parolee-X actually could achieve erection for (say) Jeanna Fine. Wow, he's superstud. The only time this occurs seems to be on this NG (with Peter North) and I believe there was one of Holliday's extravaganzas where TT Boy managed to ejaculate seven times in a row with seven different women and that was touted on the box. It doesn't figure heavily in porn movies so I doubt too many people are interested. The concept of fierce devotion to his team that you point out has no correspondence in porn. If it did we'd be back to some ancillary competition as in the "How far can Peter North ejaculate" example.
>A lot of porn - especially the more or less plotless gonzo variants - >has more in common with sport than with the art/media which we tend to >compare it with. Not an original idea of mine. others in the group >have advanced this idea before, but I hope it gives some insight into >the way I see porn.
I think most of those ideas concerned the marketing of porn especially in connection with wrestling. Making outrageous statements, getting the girl's name known by appearing on Springer and Stern, doing things like the monster gang bangs, Black's campaign to show he can out-gross everyone, Mila's silliness with fruit, etc. It's like Ronnie MacDonald for MacDonald's, an extremely tenuous connection with the product they're actually selling.
I was rather hoping that one of you or both would reply that you didn't like written fiction to provide weight for the theory that the participator/voyeur difference lies in the degree of imagination you can internally apply to a given situation. It harks back to a comment by one of the (I think) Canadian posters that without the visual stimulus of porn he has trouble whacking off. Didn't work out. As to lattara's comments about the ASS groups being the home of pedophiles and the unimaginative, I only discovered them a month or so ago (someone's posting on rame) and have been pleasantly surprised. They seem to be a good substitute for the pulp novels which have disappeared from the marketplace.
It seems that even with the anonymity of the internet there's a significant segment of males who want to see a particular activity but are strenuous in defending the idea that they wouldn't want to do it in real life. I had a discussion a year or so ago with a literate and fair guy on this group (I'm too lazy to dig out the details) where he was fanatic about A2M but denied he would want to do it with his girlfriend. After much to-and-fro about the health aspects etc, eventually he admitted that under a circumstance where there was no possibility of disease transmission--end of the world, I think we got down to--he would indeed do it to his g/f and thoroughly enjoy it. Of course this is only one out of hundreds, and maybe he was only agreeing because he wanted to get me off his back...etc, etc, but it makes me wonder as to how many others there are.
Crap Fest
From the weekly Boston Phoenix:
Few television shows are more appropriately titled than Crapfest, the half-hour comedy program that airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. on Cambridge Community Television, a public-access station located in Central Square. In the almost-three-year history of the show, Crapfest co-hosts Colin Sullivan and Scott Taylor have, among other things, used bubble wrap and an uncooked hot dog to show viewers how to enlarge a human penis; demonstrated a penile catheterization with a cucumber and a piece of aquarium tubing; performed a mock golden shower on Taylor with yellow-colored water; pretended to smear fecal matter on Taylor (it was brownies); did a Dawson's Creek satire in which a young woman simulated oral sex on Sullivan; and devoted a graphic series of segments to venereal disease, titled "STD of the Week."
But nothing in Crapfest's 100-episode-plus repertoire produced a reaction quite like what greeted the "Chicken Episode." First aired on August 25, 1999, the Chicken Episode featured Sullivan and Taylor performing a variety of acts upon a rotisserie-cooked Cornish hen, which was used to replicate a woman's vagina. Over the course of 15 minutes, the Crapfest duo bluntly showed a) how to insert a tampon and use a sanitary pad, b) how to cleanse a vagina, c) how to remove ovaries, d) how to reach the fabled G spot, e) how to use a vibrator, and f) how to stimulate the clitoris. The latter of these acts was demonstrated by Taylor, who gently massaged the chicken's backside between his thumb and forefinger. "Not too hard," he cautioned, "because it is a pleasure button."
Whereupon Scott Taylor leaned over and tongued the chicken.
Jeremy Steele (jeremysteelexx@hotmail.com) writes: Luke.. I just got back last week from a ten day trip to Prague, Czech Republic, perfroming 9 scenes for Private, Pleasure Prods and some other company (I forgot).. It's a beautiful city... We were in the local Czech newspaper after doing a scene on the rooftop in the city that was in full view of tenants, the gov't health administration and an infirmery, where we supposedly made the day for some terminally ill old people who hadn't seen any sex for a while.. I was not enjoying the idea of it all.. I'm not THAT much of an exhibitionist.. plus it was pretty f---in' cold up there...
When we first got up there, the first thing I noticed was a class of young school children in the building right across and close by.. I expressed my dismay to a mr____ but he offered the addage of "who cares" and said I should wave my dick at them.. Fortunately, we at least filmed away from them being able to see or hear anything... Me and this guy, Attila were working with this crazy statuesque Romanian girl who was standing naked over the roof and yelling down to passing cruise ships, and the old ladies and children in the park below.. There were, at one point about 4 local guys standing from afar on the roof and watching.. and apartments that were 30 feet away...it was very bizaar. I met the lovely sylvia saint at the chez moi restaurant and ran into her again at the erotica 99 fest in the city.. There was a live sex show on stage.. There's definetely less hangups about sex there.
I had a great time and now I'm back in L.A. and I think it sucks. I noticed on your site that some opinionated ignoramus named Becky Carols was talking s--- about me.. she obviously knows nothing about me, and not enough about my ex.. It is she who was arrested for threatening me with a gun.. she has hit me, etc, etc.. I am not the violent one.. I have not threatened her.. neither am I a racist.. so shut up and f--- YOU, MORON ... I'm sure I have more darker skinned friends than you and I would suggest you check out what I said in entirety before you spout your clueless banter. Also, for all interested, we were never legally married (thank god).
Joe Bosco from Before and After writes Luke: "Apparently, it was Craig Vasiloff himself, the sweet-f---ing-heart, who flamed me. One inaccuracy in his reply. He indicates I paraphrased our emails. Absolute bulls---! All I did was cut and paste them..."
Five Reasons Not To Attend The AVN Awards
DRJX writes on RAME: Your opinions may vary, but here are my Top 5 reasons why adult video fans shouldn't bother attending this coming year's AVN Awards Show. 5. The $180 price tag to sit in the back of a room and listen to so-called stars & producers at nearby tables talk about themselves .. constantly! 4. You may be forced to actually watch Ron Jeremy eat. (very scary) 3. Consider the source(s)! These aren't REAL awards for REAL accomplishments, they're $40 trophies being handed-out to whomever spent the most advertising dollars. 2. This year's Special Achievement Award is being presented to Howard Stern, if he shows-up. (doubtful) With Stern's & Ed Power's ego in the same room there may be little room to breathe. 1. Last year's show SUCKED! Well, to be honest, the band wasn't bad .. But everything else sucked.
Luke: "Hey is anyone willing to buy me a ticket and have me sit at their table for the AVN Award show? I don't think Russ Hampshire from VCA will be asking me this year."
KendraJXXX: what are you doing troublemaker?
Luzdedos1: thinkin about u
KendraJXXX: liar liar liar
Luzdedos1: luv u more
KendraJXXX: iim going to see american pie tonight
KendraJXXX: i hear it was funny
Luzdedos1: yes, did u get much feedback on our conversation thur night?
KendraJXXX: yes...did u?
KendraJXXX: i got a bunch of emails
Luzdedos1: craig wrote in!
KendraJXXX: i saw that
KendraJXXX: what was your feedback
KendraJXXX: a lot of people said they couldnt understand why poeple
are so mean to me KendraJXXX: but there were a few who told me to stop
whining.that i will be treated that way for as long as i am in this
biz
Luzdedos1: i got varying reactions, most people could understand and
empathize with what was going on.
National Film Bored
Spencer writes from Canada: So my tax dollars are going to subsidize the NFB [National Film Board of Canada] to poke around and shed light on the porn industry, and Luke F-rd is holding their hand to help them do it. I can hardly wait to get my tickets to the Flin Flon Film Festival and see the result. C'mon Luke, show us some porn stars, c'mon there's a party get us in, there will be porn stars won't there. Ya wanna be an actor? Well yank this guy's Aldo's chain some more, we've got lots of film!!! At least with porn there is a LITTLE sense of reality to it. Through the bad filming,acting sound quality and $50 budgets that plague the industry somewhere at the end of the road somebody gets off. These guys spend my money trying to be deep and relevent so that there geeky friends will think they're keen and get support for their next epic: Eight Faces of my Lesbian Sister in Times of War.
I hate to say it but Aldo has the right idea. He sues their ass, the NFB is embarrased nationally and is forced to close because of the bad publicity and the cost of the settlement. With no money to pay Hustler, the Canadian Government steps in and works out a huge financial agreement with Hustler to pay them but only if they agree to invest the money in product and on the talent. Thus making everyone with a VCR or DVD on both sides of the border happy. The only person left unhappy is Aldo who decides to make his ass-kicking of Luke F-rd a pay per view event netting Ford the spotlight he has longed for. And everybody lived happily ever after.
Candy Apples
Done writes: Saw Candy Apples on Stern tonight. She definitely plays into that whole fantasy girl thing...she has apparently been f---ing since 13, was gangbanged in high school and so forth. Anyway, was hoping to get a filmography on her as well as the name of the movie where she takes the three dicks in her ass at the same time. That is an oddity for every mans collection. Thanks.
Jasmin on Stern
Talent agent Charley Frey writes: Jasmin appeared on Howard Stern E channel show again last night. This is one of about 50 emails we received about (to) her. Jasmin is still on top!
> Dear Jasmin St clair, > WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you are so > very beautiful.I would love to be in a movie with you.But,know one can know > who I'am.I could lose my job.When I saw you on the Howard Stren show,I told > myself that God must have broke the mold when he made you > WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.I guess what I'am trying to say is > that I would love to make LOVE to you anytime.Please let me hear from you. > > SWEET DREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Kevin
Kendra Jade writes Luke: i find it extremely intyeresting that jasmins dance agent needs to quote a jasmin stclire stern rerun as Jasmin "still being on top".LOL.there are pornstar reruns on a daily basis.why is heres any different or better??And it does seem quite interesting also that somebody would have to write in to tell u she was still on top.If in fact that were true, would we not already know that without having to be told?And from the quote i see below, all i take from that is that he seems so surprised by this email, that this one specifically must be posted.It must be very far and few that she gets emails like this if this one is so special. because i know as far as myself and the rest of the girls i know in the business...we get letters like that all day long on a daily basis.But we really have no need to post them.
LSmith writes: > This is something I picked up on from the Stern / St.Claire interview. >Howard was asking Jasmine how much she made per pic, and she said $5,000 >then Howard said "porn is a billion dollar a year biz, and you only make >$5,000 per picture, so where does all the money go? Who gets it?" Jasmine >didn't know, so who does know? Where is this billion dollars that is >supposedly spent on porn every year? And don't tell me Dave Cummings has >it all!
Jim Gunn replies: Surely you don't think one person has all that money! Jasmine is well paid compared to most of her porn starlet sisters. Imagine dividing a billion dollars up amongst UPS, FedEX, printers, warehouse employees, electrical bills and all that rest of the non-glamorous expenses that make big business operate and it's no mystery.
>> If porn is like most industries, it is the people behind the scenes (owners, producers etc.) that are the ones making the most money.<< WRONG!!!!!!!
Chupatinha writes: Like in most industries, as much as forty percent of the revenue is made directly at the point of sale. Consider the wine industry: I consumer buys a bottle of wine for $20, of which $7 is the retailer's mark-up. Of the remaining $13, $4 is the wholesaler's mark-up, leaving $9 for the winery. In the case of porn, MOST of the "Billion Dollar Iidustry" figure is rental revenue, in which case the percentage at point of sale is even higher as the retailer is in effect "selling" the product over and over from a fixed cost. I would be very suprised if more than 25% of the money found it's way to the actual producers who then have to deduct advertising and production costs so lets assume that $200 million actually gets to the source.
With over 5,000 releases per year that averages under $40,000 per title (probably a lot less!!!) which if the producers takes half (too optimistic??) and each has five girls and three guys would leave very little for the retirement funds of the performers. And, this simplistic runthrough has surely missed many, many costs of distribution, legal fees, catering, paying off AVN, etc...
Edew: I think the economics of porn (videos) is done quite simply as thus: Assume $2.50 per rental, multiply by the estimated number of rentals per day around the world -- 6 million? Multiply that by 360 and come up with $5.4 billion for the year in revenues just from rentals. Ok, where does that money go? Rental shop, distributor, postage, talent, producers, investors, graft, camera man, sound man, mixer, editor, CPAs, doctors, lawyers...
Cicero writes on RAME: It may simply be reflective of the production eras in question, but I cannot help but note that the porn that was made in New York City twenty (?) years ago was a whole lot more intelligent and dirty (in the positive sense!) than the effluent that has come to us from California in recent years. I saw a few such movies in recent months, in which none of the women appeared to have implants, tatoos, piercings, or even hair color that comes from a bottle. Just women who look like the sort of women most men lust after in real life, doing really erotic things of the sort that most men daydream about. (And this does NOT include spitting, animals, screaming like a lunatic, or gang-bangs with hundreds of losers.)
Is any straight porn made in New York these days, and do any porners live in the Big Apple? Given the low entry barriers to the production of pornography, why is it that Southern California so totally dominates the field, far more than SCal dominates in the world of non-porn movies - why no NY porn, with conventionally attractive women? And is there some sort of secret guild in LA that requires the producers of porn to see to it that their product is utterly lacking in eroticism?
Jim Gunn replies: I used to live and work near New York City for years. A combination of bad weather for much of the year; a lack of reliable talent and locations; and the difficulty of traveling in and around the N.Y.C. Metro area all conspire to make New York a very poor place to try and shoot porn. Not to mention that the overwhelming presence of porn in the San Fernando Valley is, by this late date, a self-reinforcing phenomenon- not unlike the computer industry Silicon Valley in CA or the historical popularization of VHS as opposed to Beta format- the law of increasig returns (modern economic theory) causes the concentration of an industry in a given region to increase due to the relative value of being geographically nearby customers, competitors and especially support services.
Nevertheless, I did produce quite a few movies in the N.Y.C. region over the years. "Strap-On Sally 9 & 10 and 11 &12" were all done in and around a big mansion in The Hamptons, LI in New York for example.
Forces of Masturbatorial Darkness
The Manhattan Gaon writes: Luke, in your struggle with the forces of masturbatorial darkness, you need some better pr. Here are some slogans that you may wish to use in your defence:
PORN-IMPRISONED GOYIM OF THE WORLD UNITE BEHIND Luke F-rd; YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR SHAME!
THE DEFENSE OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM BEGINS WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND THE DEFENSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT BEGINS WITH THE DEFENSE OF Luke F-rd!
SAY YES TO TORAH, AND SAY NO TO PORNOGRAPHER LARRY FLYNT - DEFEND Luke F-rd!
Or how about a very simple: HANDS OFF Luke F-rd!
These are just words, and, you may ask, what good are words against goons? Remember the words of Disraeli (he of jewish descent)Luke: "With words we govern men." Amalek (the Manhattanisher Goan) PS could you explain all that stuff that has been appearing in smaller type at the end of your web site each day of late? What is its origin? It seems to concern people named "Brandy", "Jade", "Eden" and / or "Trixie", who seem not to like one another very much, and who spend a great deal of time thinking about and reacting to what the other is saying or doing. I am not sure, as I have not really read that stuff with any comprehension. Is it worth reading?
Luke: Sometimes. It is transcript of chat in the IRC group Porn Star Trading.
Gaon: If it is not, I think you would improve your site if you just ditched it in favor of some political commentary or perhaps some reviews of national chain restaurants, perhaps with a porn slant (no offense to asians intended). For example, who serves up the best food to replenish one's essential fluids after a hard day of gang-banging - Chi Chi's or TGIF?
More Jew Bashing
Lord Peter Christian writes Luke: Dear Mr. Ford: As a gentile by birth and a jew by choice, you have a unique perspective on the Chosen Few of God. Using that perspective, and your understanding of the Jewish role in pornography, please opine on the truth value of the following article:
Luke: I find it hilarious. The Jewish conspiracy notion is bunk, but Jews do exercise influence disproportionate to their numbers, and most of the Jews in public life such as the media are left of center, secular and unJudaic. They don't follow the Torah and frequently do great harm, such as through communism, socialism, feminism...
Radio 172 American Dissident Voices Broadcast of October 30, 1999
The New Protocols by [white supremacist and Jew hater] Dr. William Pierce
I was amused to note that Bill Clinton's twin across the great water, Tony Blair, struck another blow for dee-mo-cra-cee and ee-qual-i-tee last week. On October 19 Blair's Jewish Home Secretary, Jack Straw, announced that henceforth lunatics would be entitled to vote in all elections in the United Kingdom.
Previously, people confined to lunatic asylums were not permitted to vote, the assumption being that a voter ought to be a responsible citizen who understands what he's doing and can make a rational choice. Of course, that was just hypocrisy; nobody really believed that voters knew what they were doing. Football fans and Jamaican immigrants and couch potatoes on the dole were allowed to vote; that's how Tony Blair became prime minister. So why not let lunatics vote too?
They can be unstrapped from their beds and given a pencil and a ballot just long enough to stab the appropriate spot on the paper. What's wrong with that? I mean, if we really believe that everyone is equal, let's show it! I'm just kidding, of course, but Jack Straw isn't. Lunatics really will be given the vote in the United Kingdom. The Jewish Home Secretary told the press last week that his move to give mental patients the vote will be -- quote -- "a major landmark in this country's electoral history." -- end quote -- Yes, undoubtedly it will rank right up there alongside Magna Carta.
Did you ever wonder why the Jews are such great proponents of democracy? Whether in Indonesia or Pakistan or Serbia or you name it, whenever there is some threat to universal suffrage, the Jews are ready to send the U.S. armed forces in and bomb and kill until everyone is permitted to vote. Why is that? Why can't the Indonesians have an Islamic theocracy if they want? Why can't the Pakistanis have a military dictatorship? Why can't the Serbs run their own country the way they prefer? What is the appeal in making sure that people whose minds have been wasted by Alzheimer's Disease vote?
Well, let's not beat around the bush: the appeal of mass democracy lies in the fact that in essentially every country in the world today, the number of persons unable to think for themselves is substantially larger than the number able to make independent decisions. Those unable to think for themselves have their thinking done for them by the people who control the mass media. Which is to say, democracy is the preferred system because it gives the political power to those who own or control the mass media and at the same time allows them to remain behind the scenes and evade responsibility for the way in which they use that power. And the more inclusive the democracy is -- that is, the more Alzheimer's sufferers and Mongoloid cretins and paranoid schizophrenics and people who live in empty packing cases in alleyways and Jamaican immigrants and football fans are able to vote -- the more certain is the grip of the media masters on the political process.
Those voters who buy astrology magazines at the checkout stand and spend their time watching soap operas, game shows, and Oprah absorb their general attitudes on things through the television screen. They learn which ideas are fashionable and which are not by noticing the facial expression and tone of voice of Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather when the news is announced each day. Their opinions on specific issues are formed as they view televised sidewalk surveys taken by reporters.
The only uncertainty about these people is whether or not they'll be able to pry themselves loose from their couches long enough to vote for the designated candidates. That's why it's important to have lots of them. And wherever there are lots of them, the men who control the mass media also will control the outcome of elections. It's a much surer way of controlling governments than bribing corrupt dictators or slipping seductive whores into the king's bedroom, a la Esther and Ahasuerus -- or Monica and Bill. Believe me, one day soon the Jews on both sides of the great water will institute a web-TV voting system that allows the couch potatoes and the ball game fans to vote without having to get up from their couches, just by clicking their remote controls at their TV screens to select the next President or prime minister. That'll be real democracy.
In England, the country from which all of us were expelled by the king as exploiters and troublemakers just over 700 years ago, we now have another puppet, Tony Blair, in place as the nominal leader of the English, but like Yeltsin he is completely under our control. One of our people, Michael Levy, finances his election campaigns and controls his purse strings. Another of our people, Jack Straw, controls his domestic policies.
America, however, is the prize example of our success. Just as in England and in Russia, also in America we have been able to put a totally corrupt Gentile politician into the position of nominal power and then to surround him with our own people, who wield the real power. Actually running the American government, our people are in charge of America's State Department, America's Defense Department, America's Federal Reserve System, and America's Treasury Department. When one of our people, Robert Rubin, retired recently as secretary of the treasury, we simply moved another of our people, Lawrence Summers, into that position. Clinton appoints to every high office in the American government, whether the Supreme Court or his own cabinet, only those people we suggest to him, and the totally corrupt politicians of the Senate dare not disapprove anyone we suggest, lest we label them as "anti-Semites."
We have gained nearly complete control of America's educational system, from kindergarten through the universities. No ideas or facts may be taught unless we have given them the stamp of Political Correctness. We have made it impossible for anyone in an American university to contradict anything we have claimed, no matter how preposterous, about what happened to us during the Second World War. We now have the American government, just like every government in Europe, paying us "reparations," because not enough was done for us during the war.
We have succeeded in corrupting and then dominating America's art and music and literature. We have made degeneracy the touchstone for American culture. We own the art galleries and set the standards for painting and sculpture. We have the Americans lining up and paying admission to see a "work of art" which consists of animal dung smeared onto a crude painting of a Negress, which we tell them is their Virgin Mary. They read the depraved and trashy novels we tell them to read and believe that these novels are "literature." Their children listen to Negroid rhythms and chant Negroid "rap" ditties, because we control the popular music industry.
Through the immigration policy we have imposed on America we are increasing the percentage of non-White minorities in every part of the country. Within the next few years we will succeed in making White Americans a minority in their own country.
Our success in America has been due to two things: our control of the mass media of news and entertainment, through which we control the ideas and attitudes of the masses; and the system of mass democracy, which ensures that the votes of the masses under our control determine which figurehead politicians actually make up the American government. Since the last part of the 19th century we have been gathering the power of the mass media into our hands. In those days many of us were only rag-pickers and dealers in used merchandise, recently off the boat from Russia or Poland, but whenever a Gentile newspaper got itself into financial difficulties, we were ready instantly to pool our resources and buy it out, so that henceforth it could be in the hands of one of our people.
In the 1920s, when radio was becoming a powerful medium of persuasion, we began buying broadcasting stations and putting together networks. At the same time we saw the potential for motion pictures and began moving into Hollywood. By working together with each other we were able to bankrupt or buy out every Gentile film producer except Walt Disney. We had to wait until he died to take control of his film company, but by then we already dominated the entire motion picture industry.
After the Second World War, when television became the most powerful medium of mass persuasion, we were ready to move in and dominate the TV industry from the beginning. Today no motion picture can be made and no television program can be broadcast in America without our approval. Only a few independent commercial radio stations, a few shortwave radio stations, and a handful of book and magazine publishers remain free of our control. But the American masses, for the most part, never see or hear anything we have not approved. They do not understand shortwave, and they are afraid to read any publication we have not approved, for fear that it might be "hate" material.
There is, of course, that pesky Internet, which is not yet under our control, but we are moving rapidly to deal with that matter. We expect soon to have our puppet politicians enact "hate speech" legislation in America, similar to that which we already have succeeded in having enforced in Europe, so that no one can say anything on the Internet which has not been approved by us. The couch potatoes will not object, because we will tell them that the new laws will make them safe from terrorism. By that time we also should have achieved our goal for the disarmament of the American population. And then, my fellow Elders of Zion, we can do to the American people what we did to the Russian people. With our power of television, we will have them voting for their own slaughter.
Long live our mass media! Long live democracy! Long live the power of triumphant Zion!
Soliah.com
Greg@soliah.com writes: Hello Luke. Just wanted to let you know that I'm doing fine. My http://www.soliah.com and and one other person were the only people pushing the facts in the Soliah/Olson (Patty Hearst/SLA) case. We seem to have won out over the media "spin". The LA trial set to start in January will feature Judge Ideman because it is expected to be extremely high profile. Patty Hearst will testify and the prosection got basically everything it wanted. There may yet be justice in the world. Now that I am literally dodging the media verything I learned from reading l-keford.com is coming in very usefull. I would like to Thank You for this. Now I have to be careful to do no wrong. I have the Twin Cites covered and the other guy Jack (THE REAL EXPERT) has Sacramento (Where Myrna Olson was murdered by the SLA/Soliah). If you know anyone who wants to cover LA let me know. (How about that guy who did your satire Bugalosi (or something like that).
<mnc_tech> only when i'm f---ing fat bitches
<mnc_tech> 'hah'
<LMack> You'll find the technical term's girls
<mnc_tech> yeah yeah
<mnc_tech> this bar i was at last nite was mad funy
<mnc_tech> funny
<mnc_tech> it was like a halloween party event
<mnc_tech> and there was this one slut rocking some cheerleader outfit, with a 't' on the shirt
<Pau|B> did you have to wear a costume to scare people?
<mnc_tech> so i'm drunk yelling out "gimme a t!!!!"
<mnc_tech> i dressed up as a concentration camp jew
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<Jewporner> hehe
<LMack> Thanks Dot
<Jewporner> good move, dot
<DotCom-> timely quote
<Pau|B> hehehe. dummy
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<mnc_tech> god damn
<mnc_tech> i'm a JEW
<mnc_tech> i read the TORAH
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<DotCom-> oy
<DotCom-> vey
<l-keford> :)
<Pau|B> f--- trivializing the holocaust
<zoexxx> i use to weightlift
<l-keford> unban mnctech
<Jewporner> me too, but i got sick of the sweat
<Pau|B> zoe i want to get ripped abs like marky mark. what should i do?
<Jewporner> stop eating
<zoexxx> crunches
<zoexxx> tons of them
<zoexxx> get tony little's ab tape it is great
<l-keford> you should've seen me outside of LFP thurs in my prayer shawl and yarmulka
<Jewporner> what's with the religious garb
<l-keford> get albo arrrested for a hate crime
<Jewporner> get the f--- out
<MadisonFan> albo is a pussy
<l-keford> george bush has asked me to be his porn czar
<Jewporner> he is the guy that will put you out of ;bisiness
<Jewporner> a blonde asin girl, every jews drea,m
<l-keford> talked to an fbi agent this week about eddie w and mike albo's threats
<Jewporner> they are both thugs, especially, ew
<WarmProp> so what did the agent say?
<Jewporner> not like us soft, jewish guys, huh, luke
<MadisonFan> luke made his bed but he will lie under it until the feds arrive
<Jewporner> except you no0w have a gun
<l-keford> yes and bullets and i know how to use it
<Jewporner> kill albo, kill albo
<WarmProp> gone to the range?
<MadisonFan> dont keep the bullet in your pocket fife
<l-keford> agent wants all the info i can give him on albo and weddie w
<Pau|B> that's interesting. usually the cops won't do anything about threats
<WarmProp> pros prolly laugh everytime when someone say i have a gun and KNOW HOW TO USE IT
<Jewporner> well, you and the fbi have the same level of paranoia
<l-keford> lol
<l-keford> wp, i am as good at shooting as journalism
<Jewporner> well, you must be a bad shot\
<MadisonFan> haha better get real real close luke
<JimGunn> If that's true I feel bad for the guy next to you at the firing range Luke!
<Pau|B> Luke, did you study journalism in college?
<WarmProp> when a cop says I have a gun and know how to use it I believe but out of you it's not quite as convincing :)
<l-keford> :)
<zoexxx> how often are the girls who have webcams online
<KaffeineKid> course, whether you know how to use it or not...nobody laughs when they hear the shotgun getting racked
<Pau|B> zoe: for an hour, a few times per week
<Pau|B> i am in the proccess of setting up some web cams for a talking gorilla
<Pau|B> i mean, it uses sign language
<Jewporner> paul, is your camera in Luke F-rd.s office
<Pau|B> hahahaha
<l-keford> :)
<Pau|B> no, it's for a talking gorilla in palo alto
<WarmProp> so the gorilla has his own PC? :)
<Jewporner> wow, stanford is turning out some great pupils
<Pau|B> it's a her, named Koko. it's a famous gorilla, i guess. you know, the one with the cat
<Jewporner> what, her pussy smells like a cat
<MadisonFan> will she masturbate on cam?
<WarmProp> lol
<Pau|B> you'll have to ask her, she knows sign language
<MadisonFan> poor luke so desperately wants to become a martyr
<JimGunn> l-keford, you're not even a friggin' Jew, please don't you have any sense of shame!
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<LukeF0RD> i AM THE KING OF THE JEWS!!!!!
<Pau|B> a jew named ford, hahaha
<LukeF0RD> fordowitz
<JimGunn> Yeah, ok...if you insist.
<Pau|B> fordstein
<LukeF0RD> fordfarb
<Pau|B> fordfeld
<LukeF0RD> i am the truth
<MadisonFan> fordsky
<MadisonFan> luke, youre a porn gossip columnist, grow up little man
<JimGunn> Luke F-rd, you're lie that Monty Pyhton skit about "spam"..you know- "Don't you have anything without *any* spam in it...."Well why don't you try the _Lies,Falsehoods, Half-Truths and Mistaken Inferences Lunch Special_ ...it has a little truth in it!"
<l-keford> that's good
<LukeF0RD> spam isnt kosher
<JimGunn> Nah it's not...
<LukeF0RD> i like my spam with cheese
<l-keford> no
<LukeF0RD> and milk with my meat
<Pau|B> luke, did you walk to temple today?
<zoexxx> shhhhhh
<zoexxx> you guys are to quiet
<LukeF0RD> i drove a volkswagon to temple
<LukeF0RD> brandy alexanderstein
<KaffeineKid> Jeanna Fein
<LukeF0RD> tiffany mynkelstein
<Diablo1504> Mike Albo sounds like a real bitch
<MadisonFan> haha hes a pussy
<MadisonFan> that what its looking like to me
<MadisonFan> luke is pissing all over him and still nothing, its hysterical
<MadisonFan> mike better put up or shut up because lukee is making a big fool out of him
<MadisonFan> kendra is interesting too, one day shes pissed at luke and the next day shes all nice with him
<Diablo1504> all this bad talk about kendra on lukes site is just people wanting to see their name on his page
<Diablo1504> its like Kendra is evil, get out the kryptonite, she must be stopped
<Diablo1504> Kendra is destroying tokyo again
<KaffeineKid> Mothra will stop hew
<KaffeineKid> her, even
<Diablo1504> people should just leave her alone, she hasnt done nothing to them
<teekajade> are you talking about kendra jade?
<MadisonFan> kendra picks up the snake, gets bitten, drops it, then continues to pick it up repeatedly, endless cycle it appears to me
<Diablo1504> Kendra is better looking than 98% of the woman in porn, and the 2% that are better looking are lame like Chasey Lain
* LMack states for the record that he has no problems with Kendra either
<Diablo1504> and the people who make all these comments obviously watch her scenes, or else how could they know
<MadisonFan> ive never seen a kendra vid, i like her as a person tho
<Diablo1504> I know Kendra and she is very nice, and even better looking in person
<MadisonFan> shes looking very hot with the dark hair
<Diablo1504> Luke you should track down Nikki Dial and find out whats up
<MadisonFan> hed only do that if shes an antisemite
<l-keford> :)
<l-keford> nikki dial is sucking my dick as we speak
<JOHNG0TTI> only let luke in if he gets nikki dial info
<MadisonFan> luke takes from here but what exactly does he give?
<JOHNG0TTI> he must bring us nikki dial
<MadisonFan> thats what i meant to say hehe
<Diablo1504> Luke you think Nikki Dial could be jewish?
<MadisonFan> can we all make a xmas list?
<JOHNG0TTI> dialstein
<MadisonFan> luke you gotta at least offer the reacharound
<l-keford> u want my big one?
<Diablo1504> her last name is Grenier or something
<JOHNG0TTI> lil one
<JOHNG0TTI> come on luke baby give it up
<JOHNG0TTI> grenierowitz
<MadisonFan> i heard it was laughably small
<JOHNG0TTI> since converting he had the dr do a circumcision
<JOHNG0TTI> and went to far
<JOHNG0TTI> luke you must deliver for us to beleive...
<l-keford> how much do you bet a weekend Matt?
<Jewporner> non of your biz , luke
<l-keford> :)
<Jewporner> buyt you could live on it
<l-keford> do you need help with your gambling addiction? Chabad has some good programs.
<Jewporner> my main charity is chabad
<Jewporner> larry flynt refused to donate to chabad after i asked him to in my fathers name
SUNDAY EVENING
<WarmProp> oh great both NJG and Ford here :)
<AtomicBom> who is NJG?
<WarmProp> luke's sidekick
<NJG> I thought Luke was MY sidekick!
<WarmProp> so how is it Luke? who's leading who?
<AtomicBom> NJG is Festus to Luke's matt Dillon?
<BobBlec> AB: I think more like Miss Kitty, but essentially, yes
<NJG> excuse me? Festus? I am cute! Ask Luke! Aren't I Luke?
<NJG> thank you Bob, I am more like Miss Kitty :)
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<NJG> I was wondering if you were a girl because I don't know any girls that would call themselves ASDG
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> WEll, I dont know ANYONE who would call themselves NJG
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> so we're even
<WarmProp> good point
<NJG> I didn't name myself that, Luke named me
<NJG> but why would a girl call herself stupid???
<xxxgen> Greg: I need you to write an article for XXXgen Magazine
<GregSteel> cool xxx
<l-keford> hey craig, rodger just called me...
<xxxgen> yeah ?
<l-keford> i am running out to the halloween ball...will write it all up tomorrow
<l-keford> he';s pissed, says u wear nighties
<xxxgen> he never called me
<xxxgen> he owes me a lot of work
<l-keford> he don't love you anymore
<xxxgen> and I may wear nighties but I don't wear underwear!!
<GregSteel> lol, i though i was the only one that did that!
<GregSteel> if i wear underwear its usually something tropical
<GregSteel> or with toon characters
<xxxgen> Rodger Jacobs is no longer working with XXXgen - so he's mad at me
<DotCom-> rodger the dodger
<GregSteel> lol, sounds like me and wicked
<WarmProp> first issue isn't out and the co-editor(?) leaves? :)
<xxxgen> I'm the bad boss man - Luke gets mad at me all the time too! :(
<l-keford> that is cause you won't let me have my petting zoo
<xxxgen> Warm - yup - wants to write for other mags while he is supposed to be my west coast editor!!!
<GregSteel> lol
<WarmProp> what's your costume for the ball luke?
<l-keford> dunno, canadians will give it to me [executioner’s mask]
<WarmProp> well he's a good writer.
<WarmProp> at least the few articles i've read
<Boo_Blec> Craig: did you have an exclusivity agreement or anything?
<xxxgen> Yeah - he is a good writer - I have no problem with Rodger - Just that I have to have exclusivity - I pay for it.
<xxxgen> Bob: just verbal right now - lawyers have the papers
<WarmProp> what other mags does he wanna write for?
<xxxgen> Warm - that really isn't even the issue - just thte type of articles - if you work for me - I can't have you keeping things to sell to other people that I payed you to write!
<xxxgen> Not enforcing anything Bob - it is unfortunate but we have lots happening. Rodger was great - but if you know anyone looking for a gig have them get a hold of me!
<Boo_Blec> Craig: well, out here in South Dakota, there's not a helluva lot of porn writers... ;)
<xxxgen> dishes, laundry... you know...
<J0HNG0TTI> sweeping...
<xxxgen> Bob!! I thought all you'd have to do is write a diary!!
<xxxgen> Luke is quietly preparring his screen grab!!
<xxxgen> well... this issue goes to bed Wednesday -
<JimGunn> Craig...how many pages is the new XXXGen?
<xxxgen> Jim 96
<xxxgen> lots of pics - lots of editorial - Rodger edited your stripper piece down to nothing so I'm running Rio again to give you more exposure
<JimGunn> Not for nothing, but I rarely, rarely get edited in any of the mags I write for so I am always surprised when it happans.
<JimGunn> So you're running both artciles I guess.
<xxxgen> yeah -
<xxxgen> it is hard to describe - adult industry stuff with a mainstream bent - taking it to the masses
<xxxgen> Real stuff man - Jim Gunn, Jimmy D, profiles, star spreads, behind the scenes, all sorts of cool s---!
<WarmProp> i've probably said this before but i'd like to see a similar mag like The Comics Journal but about porn
<WarmProp> it has really intellegent and lenghty interviews with creators
<WarmProp> and realistic commentary and news on the comics industry
<xxxgen> mag will rock man - looks like nothing else out there - gonna shake the foundation!
<J0HNG0TTI> how much do you think its worth for you guys to go to a feature strip show, pay for parking, possibly pay for admission(club permitting) interview a pornstar, take photos, pay for film, pay for developement and transcribe the interview with a minimum of 20 questions?
<xxxgen> JimGunn: 45k newsstands 15k direct mail to the biz
<fonstock> yea, I noticed that, heheehe, Luke using chat from PST for filler in his comum, LOL
<TitansFan> I'm into free speech, provided people aren't quoted out of context and provided that conversations from other chats are not blended in and attributed to PsT
<TitansFan> but if someone quotes people such as Brandy and Squishboy as though they were regulars on PsT, I have a serious problem with that.
<Diablo1504> i dressed as Brandy, scared all the neighbors
<Boo_Blec> no, Trick or Trump ;)
<BowWwow> honestly, I rep the writers, I met this girl, she came in to drop off the script that one of her friends wrote, my boss and got into talking with her and realized she had REALLY great training in theatre, so he took her as a client, I didn't sign her, actually
<BowWwow> BB, it's like William Morris, but we are managers, not agents. We aren't nearly so big either. there is a difference between managers and agents. managers are about long term career building, agents are just abnout selling.
<LukeF0RD> its reall time for me to come out of the closet
<LukeF0RD> if i was to do a homosexual version of my site say www.l-kefordgaytalk.com do you think it will be a hit?
<Boo_Blec> Luke: what the hell, go for it
<LukeF0RD> really get into the nooks and cranals of the gay porn worls
<TitansFan> Dunno Luke - ask Tim Evanson about it
<Diablo1504> will mike albo be a regular there?
<LukeF0RD> do you think i will be excepted like i am
<Diablo1504> i hear mike albo is gay
<Boo_Blec> Luke: ok, but you might have to sneak in through the back door
<MadisonFan> ::cough:: pussy
<LukeF0RD> mike is gay for my lovin
<Vapor1> I heard mike albo is an asshole
<LukeF0RD> the a hole of life
<zoexxx> mike albo is always nice to me
<LukeF0RD> who are you?
<MadisonFan> id like albo and luke to beat the hell out of each other, no winners, just 2 losers like they are
<TitansFan> Why don't you like Albo Luke?
<LukeF0RD> its always fun to make up after a big fight!
<LukeF0RD> i secretly love him
<LukeF0RD> i wanted to work for him but he wouldnt hire me
<LukeF0RD> making up is the hardest thing to do....
<LukeF0RD> can you beleive he said i cont spel?
<KaffeineKid> use the fords, luke
<zoexxx> lol
<LukeF0RD> cunt spel
<TitansFan> Nah, it's easy. Just swallow some pride, get on your knees and assume the positon
<LukeF0RD> ive done that, didnt get me anything but hemoroids
<KaffeineKid> spread your cheeks and take the bone
<LukeF0RD> hooo haaaaaaaaaaa
<LukeF0RD> john t bone?
<KaffeineKid> he says Jeanna Fine's an IV drug user...even if it's true, I'm a kill the messenger kind of a guy
<MichaelMyers-> dont come onto me you fag
<LukeF0RD> now that is so harsh
<LukeF0RD> i prefer trannie
<LukeF0RD> im not a fag im a trannie
<LukeF0RD> mike myers is that sexy thang from the movie halloween
<MichaelMyers-> even a homicidal maniac cant go out without getting hit on
<Jewporner> is that the fake Luke F-rd
<Diablo1504> yeah matt
<Jewporner> cant spe=ll
* MadisonFan smells alcohol
<Jewporner> can you smell that
<LukeF0RD> if you cant spell then why dont you cum werk fer me>?
<Jewporner> f--- you
<LukeF0RD> why are you so hostile?
<zoexxx> are you in a bad mood matt
<Jewporner> no
<zoexxx> ok good
<Boo_Blec> heheheeh
<Jewporner> i am normally hostile
<zoexxx> no you are not
<LukeF0RD> i like that brut thang
<Jewporner> luke is spelling like a black man tonight
<zoexxx> lol
<LukeF0RD> mmmmmmmmm
<Jewporner> not an autralian
<Jewporner> australian
<mmelissaa> are there supposed to be pornstar pics in here
<Boo_Blec> he's Luke Fo'd tonight
* LukeF0RD wants to know when matt says f--- you is that a promise or a threat?
<LukeF0RD> nnnnnnnno mmmmmelisa
<CausingTrouble> oh my
<mmelissaa> oh ic
<MadisonFan> cant you see them?
<Jewporner> what does the fake l-keford think
<zoexxx> so matt where is my pic of you in the leather pants
<LukeF0RD> wow!!!!!! leather
<MadisonFan> yawn
<Jewporner> that is a thought that boggles the mind
<Jewporner> luke likes leather
*** LukeF0RD is now known as J0HNG0TTI
* J0HNG0TTI was luke for halloween
<Jewporner> see, no body was fooled
<Jewporner> boo
<zoexxx> that's scary
<J0HNG0TTI> veddy sceddy
<Jewporner> so was i, i wont sleep tonighat
<XTacyAVS> Luke, Sunday was October 31st
<MadisonFan> just another case of luke being wrong
<XTacyAVS> at least he consistantly provides false information ;))
<zoexxx> and consistancy is important
<MadisonFan> he will keep it like that until the ancient calender makers tell him otherwise, until then its fact
<KaffeineKid> and the earth is the center of our universe
<anabolicfan> when is thanksgiving? (im down under remember!!)
<MadisonFan> lukes the center of the universe
<KaffeineKid> feels like the Church , huh?
<Boo_Blec> a Luke-o-centric universe?
<KaffeineKid> gee, af, you don't celebrate thanksgiving in australia? why ever not?
<XTacyAVS> he reported that River Phoenix died from a GHB overdose, i thought it was a heroin overdose???
NJG writes: Luke, I'm depressed. I have to go to work tomorrow. I'm depressed about it. I wanna talk to you so I won't be depressed anymore, you always help me with my depression Lukey.
I promise to always help you with yours. It's like co-counseling, we do that naturally with each other you know? You familiar with RC (co-counseling)? It's very very cool. It's where people counsel each other, and help each other one to one, like you and I do. Only a little more intense. Even telling each other they love each other, etc. all within the realm of RC therapy. Very very cool stuff. So, if you don't mind, I'll just vent here to you, ok? Thanks sweetie.
Lukey, I'm depressed. I'm lonesome. I hate myself. I don't feel beautiful. No one loves me. I only hook up with guys who reject me. No one is ever gonna love me Luke. No one. I feel so alone. Mercury is retrograding. So that's kind of a depressing planetary aspect. I hate my hair. It takes so much time to look beautiful. I love my hair it is beautiful. I hate my face. I am ugly. I hate myself. I hate the music on the radio, it is always awful. I hate/love gay men.
I hate them, because they don't want to f--- women. I hate them so much for that. I love them, because they are nice to women. I hate them because they've caused str8 men to be meaner to women, because of gay men, because now men think they are the greatest and are not grateful to women anymore. I hate men who play women, I hate players and liars and cheats. I hate any man who's hurt any woman in this or any other lifetime.
I hate men because they hurt women's hearts. I hate men because they don't care about us. I hate men because women raise kids alone most of the time now, because men are pigs and can't keep their penises inside their pants. I hate men because they objectify us and don't see us as real people only as breasts and vaginas. I hate men because now porn has sexualized anal sex and that really really kills women. I hate men because they have all the power, the money and the choices. I hate men because they have made our world dirty, because men have men made sex dirty, when it's not, but men see it as dirty. I hate all men.
Love, NJG p.s. Love You Lots! You Love Me??
Luke: Love you more!