OP/ED by Michael Whiteacre
Cindi, if Donny Long had sought to purchase ad space on LIB for PornWikiLeaks, would you have sold it to him? Once it became public knowledge that the site was being used to hurt members of the industry, would you have continued to promote his efforts in the name of “giving people info, and letting them decide”?
Cindi, why not let your valued, long-time readers decide this issue? Ask your readers whether THEY feel there’s any genuine informational value in your continued promotion of Shelley Lubben’s enterprise.
I’m not talking about the reporting of actual NEWS events of which she is a part — I’m talking about the promotion of her phony ministry (which has been called a cult by several members who have escaped it, including anti-porn Christian minister April Garris); her “porn recovery” sham which preys upon, blackmails and HURTS people from the adult industry; her fictionalized book (which most of the people in it call something she conjured up in her own mind); her phony “porn facts” which are used by entities which constitute a genuine threat to your advertisers; her lies, distortions and stereotypes which defame adult industry workers and make their ability to integrate into the civilian world even more difficult; etc…
You can not tell me that Shelly Lubben herself does not believe that that you are promoting her self-serving endeavors — she has taken out ads on your sites and sends you PRs for you to dutifully disseminate. Other sites don’t run with her anti-adult industry pablum — why is that?
In Shelley Lubben’s mind you are promoting her, Cindi, and lending her gravitas and credibility. Every time her lies appear on an adult industry website, you are legitimizing this fraud, con artist and predator.
I’d like to hear from the readers. LukeIsBack readers, do you get anything of value from the promotion of Shelley Lubben on Cindi’s sites that you could not get from the lambasting of Lubben’s idiocy or from seeking out her lies on your own?
Why is “Promoting” in quotation marks? What else would one call providing a banner ad for her site featuring the artwork for the book she’s selling? (A book that defames and harms your other advertisers, no less.) Or dutifully directing your readers to her website — per Shelley’s request — so their email addresses can be used to bolster her propaganda contact list? I’d call highligting a product and directing traffic to a website “promotion.” In fact, I honestly have no idea what else one would call that.
I’ll comment.
I guess it’s not the sharing of information that bothers me, it’s the very familiar and friendly way it’s delivered. Every little compliment, every promo (and especially that ad on the side for so long), speaks a great deal.
For instance, for awhile, Lubben’s videos were offered here embedded in the site–ready for viewing. Anything anti-Lubben was offered as a link–hence, an extra step and not readily available. That subtle difference conveyed quite a bit to me.
Anyway, it’s nice to see two adults talking about it maturely rather than resorting to name-calling and general hysteria.
I’d like to hear from the readers. LukeIsBack readers, do you get anything of value from the promotion of Shelley Lubben on Cindi’s sites that you could not get from the lambasting of Lubben’s idiocy or from seeking out her lies on your own?
Huh? She posts Shelley’s stuff and she posts your stuff, what’s the big deal. As for value, I dont get much here or anywhere else on Ms Lubben. She’s a loon, but the witnesses against her seem to lack validity, like the most recent girl and Shelley’s brother.
@Larry – One difference is that Cindi wrote, just yesterday, “I can’t support a company that doesn’t support equal rights for all.” Cindi was speaking of gay rights, which Lubben also opposes (as well as citizens’ right to work in or watch adult entertainment).
Another difference is that this site promotes adult entertainment, is paid for by producers / distributors of adult entertainment, and is read by fans of adult entertainment AT A TIME WHEN adult entertainment is under siege by Lubben and her allies. It would seem if not unethical, then at least grossly at cross-purposes, to promote/advertise Lubben’s cause under those circumstances.
Shelley Lubben uses the fact that she is “welcome” on adult sites as “proof” that she is supported by (and represents) performers. Inviting her to adult sites bolsters her.
You’ll note that Lubben was a fairly recent visitor/commenter here before I started calling her on her BS. She craves a high profile in adult circles for a reason — the same reason she has herself photographed with adult performers at events: she’s seeking to demonstrate that she is an active, welcome “missionary” to the porn world (despite the fact that she lives a two-hour drive from her mission field).
Does Shelly have an agenda? of course! Does Whiteacre have an agenda? sure its as big or bigger than Shellys.
Do i think whiteacre is doing himself and his agenda a disservice, yes, the inappropriate way he handles people who disagree with him says more about him than it does the people who disagree.
Is Shelly the purely evil thing that Whiteacre would suggest….who cares?
My main point about Shelly, JC’sGirls, Pink cross and the dozens of others are that if they prevent someone from entering this industry they did us a favor because this was a person who shouldn’t have entered anyway.
Of them all I always though JCs Girls had the best approach, they weren’t condescending and they seemed to genuinely care. Shelly could have been similar but its hard to separate the truth from the hype, on both sides of the Shelly debate, so id it appropriate for LIB to run ads and editorials for Shelly, sure it is.
Shelly isnt even comparable to Donny Long on any level and what she is doing certainly doesn’t compare.
That said does LIB have every right to reject her ads and editorials? Of course just as with michaels.
Of course Mike South doesn’t think Shelley is as bad or important as Donny Long, because if she were then that would make those who oppose her as important as him — and he can’t have that. He has to be the porn god, or else he’s just the Ghost of Amateur Porn Past.
Donny has to be the Dragon so he can be St. Michael.
Mike says what Shelley’s doing doesn’t compare — tell that to the many adult performers (and their families) who were taken, blackmailed, threatened and/or harassed by Lubben and associates.
Furthermore I don’t “suggest” that Lubben is evil. I contend that she is a mentally ill addict.
Hey Mike, you were the first to shoot Jenni Case, who’s now Lubben’s general in her anti-porn crusade. Maybe that says as much about you as it does about Shelley…
Think about it.
Gotta agree with Whiteacre on this one.
Although I’m a champion of Free Speech, presenting opposing viewpoints, and letting the reader make informed decisions based upon hearing all sides of an issue, “promoting” which is the word I think of every time I see something from Lubben posted here, just doesn’t seem right.
It’s kinda like going onto a Military website and seeing banner ads by the Taliban saying “Click Here” to join the Taliban in our quest to destroy the World, especially the U.S. And “Click Here” for information on donating stolen military weapons and ammo to help us destroy you! And top of that, always posting the latest Al-Quida Propaganda in the name of informing you with opposing viewpoints.
see its that whole condescending thing that detracts from what good work you do…I didnt slay the dragon that was donny long…i helped thats about it.
yup I was the first to shoot jenni Case… I had no problems with her and ahvent heard from her in ages.
do i bear her any ill will..no…
do i wish shelly had been there to save jenni before she shot for me…absolutely, if jenni feels this way now she never should have been in porn, if shelly or anyone else could have prevented that then itd have been a good thing.
truth is there are advocates for porn tha do more damage to our industry than Shelly Lubben does.
but this is all moot..its two mules fighting over a turnip the industry is slowly dying look what happened with APHSS (half ass) its pretty much died on the vine as everyone knew it would. poorly constructed idea, no follow through same old same old from the FSC and that lot
Porn will evolve into something else..leaving the FSC AND Shelly Lubben by the wayside.
Mike – How exactly does Shelley Lubben find women before they decide to get into the porn industry?
I’m confused — how does that work, Mike?
Had Shelley been there to “save” Jenni, Mike — really. “Save” her?”
She sits in a house in Bakersfield all day, surfing porn and social media sires with a laptop computer on her lap, earning slave’s wages. If that’s salvation, I’ll take Southern Bukkake.
You say you don’t bear her any ill will. How about the fact that Jenni has lied staying that you shot her with no HIV test, or a falsified HIV test?
Could it possible be that she’s just another manipulative piece of lying shit who sought out Lubben — liar extraordinaire?
And, as I’ve written many tames, it’s in your best interest if the mainstream porn industry falters (or “evolves”) — more room for your stuff. I don’t begrudge you that, but it’s an economic reality.
If California-shot porn became condom only, then your stuff would be in greater demand. Supply and demand, Mike. It’s just business.
It’s hard being in the middle, just from my perspective, because I talk to Michelle Avanti and know about the kind of actual physical stalking and harassment she endures daily. I have no reason to believe she’s making up what she’s going through, and what’s really sad about it is that it’s not just effecting Madelyne, it effects her daughter. They are, by doing what they are doing, catching an innocent child in the crossfire of their vengeance just because Maddy felt she had to talk about what life was like at the Pink Cross Recovery House. If I had sought help and endured that, I’d probably rush to warn people about the abuses, as well. She’s brave for doing what she did.
I, myself, am getting harassed just because I’m defending Madelyne, and it’s bizarre. Ironically, the person harassing me is someone else I defended against Lubben’s attacks and accusations, but I’m not going to be bullied into not speaking my mind just because that person doesn’t agree. I can’t stop defending people just because someone eventually proved wishy-washy on what they consider okay and not okay. I see things pretty simply. Right and wrong, and what Lubben does is definitely not right.
Michael is over-the-top, for sure, but this human drama has an interesting cast of characters, overall, and honestly, if he weren’t doing what he’s doing, I don’t see anyone else doing it.
I won’t speak for him, but there always seems a very uncomfortable camaraderie between Lubben and this website. Cindi knows she can do whatever she wants, but I, personally, appreciate the communication that it’s uncomfortable to read so much… almost adoration… on such a popular adult industry blog about someone who embodies worse than a fast food chain just by virtue of what she proposes to do and doesn’t. It’s just nice to see it stated, regardless of the outcome.
@Honest Abe – I think your analysis is dead on — although Mike may take you to task for your Taliban analogy (in his idiom, the Donkey must remain the great phantom menace).
I too am a free speech guy to the core — but as we know the 1st Amendment concerns government censorship, not the editorial decisions of webmasters. I’m complaining not about the issue of censorship, but instead the lack of consistency on LIB.
I normally agree with Whitacre, but have to take the opposing stance here. I don’t think Cindi should necessarily promote PC, but I don’t see any harm in posting press releases and stories for people like myself, whitacre, steele, and the rest of the peanut gallery to tear apart piece by piece. All readers have to do is click on the comments section to find out every thing they need to know about Shelley.
It’s good journalism. You report, then you let the viewers/readers decide how they want to feel about things. Cindi has the distinct advantage of letting her readers contribute to the articles.
But please, carry on gents. I love a good Whitacre/South donnybrook.
@Michael Whiteacre
Yes, Freedom of Speech is actually a 1st Amend/Gov’t issue, thanks.
Yes, Cindi’s posting of her disgust when she learned of Chik-Fil-A’s political contributions to anti-gay organizations is definitely contradictory to her administration of Lubben’s ads and articles.
I guess my complaint is Cindi’s pandering to Lubben which lends credibility and attention to Lubben who simply doesn’t deserve it, and I see no positive or constructive value in always posting Lubben’s nonsense and dogma on this site.
I think this statement of yours is dead-on correct:
“Shelley Lubben uses the fact that she is “welcome” on adult sites as “proof” that she is supported by (and represents) performers. Inviting her to adult sites bolsters her.”
Promoting Shelley was bad but promoting Donny Long was far, far worse and extremely dangerous. Cindi should have banned him and any mention of him long before it got to the point of where violence was being threatened.
@Fartz – Here is the crux of it, put more bluntly:
1) Here on LIB, Cindi writes that, after reading about Chick-Filk-A/WinShape’s anti-gay stance and rhetoric, “I won’t be eating there anymore. I can’t support a company that doesn’t support equal rights for all.” In other words, she will not provide something of value to Chick-Fil-A, even in exchange for something else of value (food), out of principle.
2) Yet Cindi has no problem providing valuable advertising and promoting Shelley Lubben, whose stance and rhetoric are basically identical — and whose agenda is contrary to the interests of the other advertisers, and the content creators, of this site.
Even a mention on porn sites is valuable to Lubben, because she uses the fact that she is “welcome” on adult sites as a kind of validation. If such placement didn’t have value to Lubben, she wouldn’t have purchased ads on LIB and LadiezNight. This is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
3) On Twitter, Cindi also solicited advertising from ICM Registry for .xxx — while taking a firm anti-.xxx stand on LIB.
4) Yet Cindi, who says she’s “not a big fast food eater,” has chosen to take an extremely convenient moral stand on Chick-Fil-A — a company which does not and would not ever advertise on LIB.
My primary point is there is an inherent lack of consistency in these stances that anyone can see.
It’s not that I think LIB shouldn’t post Pink Cross propaganda as news (although I do believe it shouldn’t), it’s that an adult industry website owner who essentially blows her own horn over refusing to patronize a business because of its anti-gay stance has no business supporting Pink Cross.
The only difference between Pink Cross and Chick-Fil-A in the context of Cindi’s websites is one bought ads and one didn’t.
I repeat the opening question of my Op/Ed — which is addressed to Cindi:
Cindi, if Donny Long had sought to purchase ad space on LIB for PornWikiLeaks, would you have sold it to him? Once it became public knowledge that the site was being used to hurt members of the industry, would you have continued to promote his efforts in the name of “giving people info, and letting them decide”?
I genuinely want to hear the answer to that from Cindi. I think the readers of this site, and those who were targeted by PWL, should know the answer to that question. Would you or would you not have accepted PWL ads — why or why not? It’s not a question of scale, as Mike South seems to think in his simplistic “analysis”, it’s a question of ethics. You opposed PWL. You also oppose .xxx but solicited advertising dollars from ICM Registry.
I will give Mr. South credit for one thing — he opposes .xxx to the point where he has personally offered incentives to adult businesses to not support trade and fan shows that had accepted .xxx advertising. Though we frequently disagree, I acknowledge Mike’s principled and consistent stand on .xxx.
Can there really be any dispute about the fact that Shelley Lubben has a two-fold (if schizophrenic) purpose in everything she does regarding the adult industry? She A) wants to destroy it because after all, it’s “against God,” and 2) she wants to milk it for every drop of publicity and speaking fees and book sales she can get while it still exists — and then she’ll move on to some other moneymaker.
Now, I’m well aware that Luke Ford, from whom you, Cindi, bought the site, hated the adult industry (and in many ways was equally schizophrenic about it), but I didn’t think you were following so much in his footsteps.
If Shelley Lubben had a valid point to make about the industry, I’d have no problem with your giving that information to your readers, but the fact is, she doesn’t. As Michael Whiteacre has uncovered through investigation and interviews, Shelley has lied about her “career” in adult, she lied about her STDs and other health issues, she lied about her “career” as a prostitute, she lied about her relationships with her own family members, and she lied about her treatment of Madelyne/Michelle Avanti. All one has to do is watch his videos, which I’ve found to be extremely revealing and informative.
So, Cindi, if you still feel all right about giving publicity (or even web space) to a woman who may no longer even know what the truth is about her own life, much less the industry she’s had such fleeting contact with for the last almost 20 years, just understand that what you’re *really* doing is carrying on the legacy of Luke Ford — and frankly, I don’t see that as anything to be proud of.
@pornster – Agreed that PWL was worse — but not as far worse as you might think. PWL scumbags harassed and victimized innocent people. The good people from Bakersfield have launched a harassment and smear campaign against the former Pink Cross members who now speak out against them (as well as against their families and ministers).
The good people from Bakersfield have even filed FALSE reports with Child Services.
We’ve already heard about what Lubben did to Michelle Avanti; here’s how Shelley Lubben treated another ex-performer:
Savannah Jane, who had entered adult films in 2007, found out she had breast cancer in 2008. After being messaged repeatedly by Lubben, she responded. She was leaving the adult industry because she could no longer work, she was ill and she needed assistance
Savannah was promised help with her medical bills, and Shelley took over her MySpace page to change the information and pictures because, Shelley told her, it was “too provocative for Christian men.” Savannah says she also received a document from Shelley Lubben for her to sign stating she would not live with a man.
What did Savannah get from Shelley Lubben? She received two gift boxes containing beauty supplies — beauty supplies which were donated by Beauty From Ashes to Pink Cross — a pink bible, a T-shirt, candles, a pink bracelet, child of God cd’s.
Savannah says she never received ANY financial support from Pink Cross Foundation, although Pink Cross raised funds specifically for her cause. In fact, Shelley told Savannah she had to sell everything she owned, including her truck, because these possessions were attained via the proceeds of sex work. Savannah refused — how was she going to find a job or get around without her means of transportation? — and then was counseled by Shelley to go back to her family for help, which she also refused since they hadn’t supported her since she was fifteen years old.
The money issues didn’t stop there. Savannah agreed to represent Pink Cross Foundation at the Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas in January 2009. Savannah paid her own way to Vegas, and when she arrived she learned she would not be provided a room to stay in. The only thing she received for her effort was a pass onto the convention floor so she could work at the Pink Cross booth. Savannah also maintains that when she met her in Vegas, Shelley reeked of alcohol.
After the show, Lubben slapped together a fundraising PR entitled “Deaf porn star Savannah Jane leaves porn and joined Shelley Lubben at the AEE convention” which ended with this plea:
“Any help you can offer to Adina and any of the girls who come to Pink Cross Foundation is greatly appreciated. We have many women coming to us for help but not enough donations so we hope many of you will see how worthy this cause is and help us continue to make a real difference. We appreciate all of you who have given to Pink Cross Foundation.”
Savannah had been told that maybe Pink Cross could help her get her hearing fixed, but she never saw any money — though fans told Savannah they donated money on her behalf.
Savannah also says that the one woman who actually did help her was Nancy Chacon of One Way Church in Miami — a woman who gave her money for gas, paid her phone bill, helped her when she was sick and even sent pictures of her in the hospital to Shelley because Shelley was suspicious that Savannah was still working in and getting something from the adult industry.
Nancy actually helped Savannah, but St. Shelley called Nancy a sinner for living out of wedlock, even though she lived with her mother while her fiancé slept on her mother’s couch until they were married.
Shelley Lubben is a judgmental, mentally ill addict, liar and con artist. Pink Cross is a sham and a fraud. There is NO legitimate reason to promote either. None.
ANY support of Pink Cross or Shelley Lubben is in reality ENABLING her and her diseased mind.
Since I’ve already posted my stated position re: this topic on the Chik-fil-A thread, I won’t just repeat what I posted here.
I still think that this forum needs to be as open as possible, and allow divergent opinions to prosper and to be battled out…and even if I don’t agree with Cindi giving Shelley advertising space to spew her nonsense, it’s still her blog and her right to do so…just as it’s our right to loudly (but respectfully) disagree. As long as we get the same right to call out the lies and BS, it’s good enough for me.
Anthony
Anthony – I’m glad to see that you too are troubled by Cindi providing Lubben advertising space, but, regarding the remainder of your comment I must ask:
Why print lies (and degrading insults and defamation) in the first place? Just to rebut them?
With regard to “allow[ing] divergent opinions to prosper,” I could not agree more, however the only things Lubben’s “opinions” are “divergent” from are reality, sanity and compassion.
Anthony, with all due respect, lies proffered to promote a self-serving agenda do not comprise a valid opinion. It’s, quite simply, false advertising, not argument. One cannot say that it is Lubben’s opinion that all people in the adult industry are drug-infested, disease-ridden, mentally ill slaves of satan. It’s a lie, it’s lunacy and it’s hateful.
If there’s an actual news item involving Lubben, then yes it should be published and discussed. That has editorial value. But to allow a liar (who by her own admission was diagnosed with mental illness and spent time in a mental ward earlier this year) to compose items for publication on this site is ridiculous and constitutes little more than enabling a deranged, predatory woman.
Michael:
WOW. That confirms a lot of my suspicions that Shelley is taking performers’ hard earned money from them and using them to line her own pockets at their expense.
This woman is more exploitive and more dangerous than even the worst street pimp. And she can do this because she quotes literally from the Bible??
*SMH*
Anthony
My point, though, Michael, is that we would never be able to expose Shelley’s lies in the first place if she was not given the space here to spew them. Otherwise, she would simply use venues that she could control and just censor out opposing views, just as most antiporn “feminist” sites like Genderberg (“GenderBorg”) does.
Criticize Cindi for profiting off of Shelley?? Absolutely. Point out the repeated lies and abuses?? Oh, HELL to the YES. But, say to Cindi that she shouldn’t be able to run her blog her way by excluding speech that may be against your POV?? I’m not quite ready to go that far.
But, like I said, that’s only my view.
Anthony
Anthony – Shelley has PLENTY of places to spew her lies. She has two websites of her own to spew them. She has a YouTube channel. She makes public appearances. She makes TV and radio appearances. She wrote a book of fiction.
One could do an exposé of Lubben here and elsewhere without promoting her. You do it on your sites all the time. I’m not proposing a Lubben black-out — I’m proposing a black-out of lies and definition masquerading as news or opinion or “helping the industry” but which are really intended to provide pecuniary gain to Lubben.
Cindi’s publication of the link to get Lubben’s book was outrageous IN THE WAY IT WAS DONE. Where was the usual Op/Ed disclaimer from Cindi on that post — “this book constitutes Shelley’s opinion only”?
What did Cindi write instead? “I read it and it’s an interesting read.”
Publishing the link along with Lubben’s email message to Cindi was rank promotion of her cause. Just like having an ad with the artwork for that book on this site. It legitimizes the lies within. It may not endorse them, but it legitimizes them.
My stomach turned at the suggestion that getting more people on the Pink Cross email list in exchange for a e-book full of lies and junk science could actually help one person in the adult industry.
And I repeat, Shelley Lubben uses the fact that she is “welcome” on adult sites as “proof” that she is supported by (and represents) performers. Inviting her to adult sites bolsters her. Legitimizing her anti-porn lies bolsters her agenda.
I’m still waiting for Lyin’ Lubben to apologize for the lies she told about me. I have been so depressed that I have turned to pornography for instant gratification. Thank you, Roxy.
@Brandon Iron – Sell Lubben a discounted banner ad on BrandonIron.com — you’ll get in her good graces, get preferred access to her propaganda PRs… and she might write you up that apology or anything else you want.
Otherwise, you may have to wait in line — there’s a long list of adult industry members lining up for the opportunity to shout her down and call her out at all forthcoming adult industry events she might plan to attend. If you want a piece of her, DM just me on Twitter.
I’d also like to address the irony of Mike South — the man who routinely calls people who have substantive disagreements with him “morons” — taking me to task for my inappropriate and condescending tone toward those who disagree with me. LMFAO
I repeat: Mike, you were the first to shoot veteran “sex worker” Jenni Case, who shot VERY FEW porn scenes but is now Lubben’s general in her anti-porn crusade. Maybe that says as much about you as it does about Shelley.
Just sayin’…
I remain,
Yours most cordially,
MW
I’m cutting out the middle man (or woman) and dealing directly with God from now on. Whenever I can’t get a boner, I ask Him for help. A day or two later, he channels his reply in my penis. It makes me a believer that I can do anything through Him. I don’t need Lubben or any other disciple to lecture me.
As a Jew, I commend you for cutting out the middle man, although if your cock is truly a God antenna, you’d better watch out before Shelley “I am Elijah the Prophet” Lubben tries to use it as her new staff.
I had one staph infection in the Czech Republic a few years ago and do not want another. Whatever Lubben is giving, I’m not taking any of it.
Sound strategy. I wish ALL adult websites were wise enough to follow it.
Nothing says Lubben like a fine Christian drubbin’! We must lure her to the LA Zoo and put her in a cage with the lions. Or maybe gently push her off the Santa Monica pier just as a hungry whale is breaching. It worked thousands of years ago and it can work again.
LOL. I wouldn’t feed that to a lion or a whale — I’m an animal lover.
As for the name, wherever I see her using her standard “slubben” moniker, I’m instead reminded of the term “smebbin.”
Brandon, why are you so down on Lubben, considering you were OK with everything your buddy DL did? You were aware that he was behind PWL and of others involved, yet you said nothing.
All I’m saying is that Shelley would be a tasty treat to the average lion. I’m sorry if you can’t stomach that. Many kings of the jungle could.
For the record, I also knew that Andy Rooney was sick but did nothing to prevent his death. Blame me for that, too? Do the Christian thing and turn the other cheek. Judas Priest!
Please refrain from Brandon bashing on LIB..XPT is the only place were thats allowed..However if you buy a 30 day membership to one of Brandon’s sites it also comes with Brandons direct phone number were he will allow you to bash via text…30 days gets you 250 texts or if you buy today he will throw in a extra 100 but you can only use them on nights and weekends…
Yes. I am getting blown during the day so nights are better.
Cindi, since your silence has been deafening on this issue, perhaps I should rephrase the question. If you received the following polite email, would it result in a LIB post, along with a note from you such as “NL- I read it and it’s an interesting read.”?
“Cindi,
I wanted to ask you if you could put up a small announcement that we are offering to anyone in the adult film industry a free copy of our PDF e-Book, “Why You Shouldn’t Watch Gay or Bisexual Porn”.
If it helps even one person then it’s worth it to us.
Westboro Baptist Church”
For a reminder of Lubben’s views on the “abomination” that is homosexuality, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBCp5-6aEQs
I also wonder if you’d run a “puff piece” interview with such a book’s author — a hater masquerading as a helper — like the one you did for Lubben here on LIB last December to promote her book? It was called “A Quickie With Shelley Lubben”
There was not a single question where you confronted her. These were your questions:
1. Why did you decide to write a book?
2. How did you decide on the title and design the cover?
3. What do you hope to accomplish by putting this book out?
4. I really did enjoy reading your book. You mention so many things that we will explore further in a more in-depth interview. But for now, Just tell me what should people who read your book take away from it?
5. Do you still hear Jesus speak to you? What is the most important thing he ever told you?
Then you linked to the Pink Cross website (where the book was available for sale).
@TRPWL: I don’t like the offer. Insulting BI in private has like a 1 in 100 chance of actually hurting him. If you do it in public, and you are witty, then you get to entertain an infinite number of people.
I do have to admit to being nice to him in private on occasion. This is what needs to be kept from the masses, both for my credibility as a troll and so he can keep his sad sack, Charlie Brown persona going.
@Jerkuliscious – Bravo for the phrase “for my credibility as a troll.” Genius!
Yeah, troll credibility is a tough balance to keep. You have to walk a fine line between making people laugh, and not letting on that you’re just a terrible, unreasonable asshole.
While i understand your reasoning, exiled to Canada, name and photo on I.C.E agents top 10, i would say hes suffered enough..Gone are the days that Brandon could paddle boat across Lake Michigan to get to freedom, no more quality porn chicks for his flicks..All thats left for him his sitting out his days listening to K.D Lang while he watches Canadian versions of Scooby Do…
The best part is I still get to pay US taxes since my company is still in operation. Talk about classic two-faced American imperialism. My money is not only welcomed but expected, yet I am not. Most likely, the grandparents or great-grandparents of the US Customs officer who barred me were welcomed with open arms. Immigrants are the people who build a country and I have cashed checks from the US Treasury totalling hundreds of thousands of dollars contributed to your unfair and unjust system.
My last hope is to get K.D. Lang to partner with me for a lesbian line that tops Girlfriend Films. Then and only then will I reclaim my rightful place as the top content producer in the industry.
Damn Fartz, you really try and hurt a nigga. I do admit to being an asshole, but I refuse to acknowledge being terrible or unreasonable.
1) Victims of Shelley Lubben and Pink Cross have come forward to talk about the abuse they have suffered, at the hands or the direction of Lubben & Co.;
2) April Garris has publicly likened Pink Cross to a cult;
3) Lubben’s own family have called Shelley’s story (as told in the book you have promoted) a story that she has conjured up in her own mind, as well as the lies, exaggerations and distortions of a woman who desperately needs help;
3) Even anti-porn activists are calling Shelley Lubben a self-interested fraud and Pink Cross Foundation a deceptive sham. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXxDnuLdzs
4) Lubben is aligned with — and being used as a tool of — the biggest enemy the adult industry (and free sexual thought) has today — AHF.
WHY does the owner of PORN-related sites — who has taken a stand on LIB against Chick-Fil-A based on its anti gay-rights agenda — continue to run softball “puff” pieces on this woman and her ministry of fear, lies and intimidation? Why have you not publicly refused to accept ads for her cause which HARMS the adult industry and the people in it (and also promotes the SAME “Exodus” ministries as Chick-Fil-A/WinShape)? WHAT justification can there be?
Cindi, the last person on this site that wrote that they refused to take time to answer their critics was Shelley Lubben. With every passing day, you bring yourself irretrievable closer to Lubben by refusing to address the glaring contradiction, and some would claim hypocrisy, in your position.
What is LukeIsBack:
1) A news site — as in journalism, wherein you report news free of subjective opinion?
2) An opinion site — as in a blog, wherein you express your editorial point of view reflecting your own personal ethics (such as a stand on Chick-Fil-A)?
3) A marketing site masquerading as one of the above — where entities who purchase ad space get a pass, no matter how much their position harms your other advertisers or the community you serve, and for whom the “ethical” standards you trumpet do not apply?
Supposedly Andi Anderson has quit porn and joined Shelley and the Christian Mafia to trash the porn world.
Funny you should mention Andi Anderson. Yes, she is out of porn, but no thanks to Shelley Lubben. I have learned that Pink Cross dumped Andi after Lubben had her employee Roger Niccum the “recovering porn addict” research Andi’s porn on-line (an odd job to give a porn addict, don’t you think? — but I digress) and he found a porn scene in which she was dressed in a nun’s outfit, holding a crucifix and rosary (Blasphemy Nuns).
Shelley said that if Pink Cross donors saw shots from that scene, her donations could be cut in half — therefore, Lubben wanted nothing to do with her.
So under those circumstances, apparently, in Shelley’s view Andi Anderson did not deserve to be saved. The money is what matters most, of course…
@Jerky–
I was speaking for myself whilst in troll mode. You cool, man. The “terrible, unreasonable” part was addressing other’s delusions to humor that they don’t get.
Its Pathetic…Driving down Van Nuys blvd the other day and xxx.doiam.com is being advertised on Billboards for BUYcom for domians in adult…that is really pathetic…who really cares? the answer is No one.
Just soo pathetic….right on Jefferson ave right now in temecula and all these ts/tg’s running around…
I believe since cindi operates this sight she can promote who she wishes.
In relation to Michael fattorosi i want to give everyone his public california bar# to use if they plan to file a complaint of have sent it in already. even without the number the bar can still assist you with the complaint, here is the PUBLIC#Bar Number:
193538. This will make it easier for the cali bar investigators to reference.
Now as to mike south he should definetly be covered by workmens compensation insurance whether he is working on or off the books. get better Mike south.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
Michael, I want you to know I pray for you often and not because I’m so good but because the LORD Jesus is that good and He has a powerful plan for your life. It grieves me the most to know that someone is literally wasting thousands of hours and days of their life persecuting me. What a waste of time and talents. You’re better than that Michael.
You also have a Jewish heritage which is a very special blessing. My prayer this season is that the LORD visit you and overwhelm you with His great love.
Y’varekh’ka ADONAI v’yishmerekha
@slubben – Ahh, yes, 1 Corinthians 13. So you feel that you’re practicing love, do you?
Here’s some scripture for you, dear Shelley.
Regarding the Deceptions of False Teachers:
2 Peter 2:18-22 – For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
Regarding hypocritical self-righteous “leaders” such as yourself:
Matthew 23:15 – Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Philippians 2:21 – How about: For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus.
Have you ever read Khalil Gibran’s Jesus, “The Son Of Man”? The section on Luke concerning hypocrites and predators like yourself reads, in part:
And He said, “You have chosen your words well when you called the sinners weak and infirm. I do forgive them their weakness of body and their infirmity of spirit. For their failings have been laid upon them by their forefathers, or by the greed of their neighbors.
“But I tolerate not the hypocrite, because he himself lays a yoke upon the guileless and the yielding. Weaklings, whom you call sinners, are like the featherless young that fall from the nest. The hypocrite is the vulture waiting upon a rock for the death of the prey.”
“Weaklings are men lost in a desert. But the hypocrite is not lost. He knows the way yet he laughs between the sand and the wind.”
“For this cause I do not receive him.”
And lastly, from the bottom of my heart, there’s this one, in hopes you can someday forgive yourself for all the wrong you’ve done, and learn to look at yourself in the mirror and love yourself — and no longer have to fling your judgment outward. All you need do is accept that the way your life turned out was your own fault. Not your parents’, not Satan’s, not the adult entertainment industry’s — yours and yours alone.
James 1 13:14 – When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.
Redemption lay just on the other side of forgiving yourself, Shelley. I can forgive, your parents can forgive, and those you have victimized, exploited, and held up to scorn and derision can forgive you. Can you forgive yourself? It’s not too late to change and to save yourself, Shelley. Admit what you’ve done, and repent. Do that, heed these powerful words I’ve transcribed here, and I will embrace you as someone who DOES practice 1 Corinthians 13.
Until that day, I’ll be praying too, Shelley:
Psalm 143 and 144 – In your unfailing love, silence all my enemies and destroy all my foes, for I am your servant. Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle….
Shelley WTF. You steal, scam, and lie all in the name of god. You have some nerve telling my buddy you pray for him. He’s got a better chance at the after life with out your help. I’m pretty sure anyone you pray for automatcily has one strike against them just by their name coming out of your mouth. Everything you touch or come in contact with is fucked. And stop fucking harassing Maddy. You Fuckin scumbag.
Shelley should go back to porn, she could get some milf roles. I rewatched her Roxy Gang Bang and she was pretty good at sucking cock and taking loads on her face. She could come back and take those loads in the name in Jesus.
Ahhh, Shelley??
I was born and raised in a Catholic family, and still have very close siblings who are very much evangelical Christians who follow their faith to the letter. And yet, they are capable of accepting reality and holding people accountable for their actions and deeds, and accepting that it is the treatment of others — you know, “the least of Thee” — that will be your marker come Judgment Day.
Whether or not you masturbated to images of consenting adults engaging in healthy, consenting sex probably won’t be at the top of the accountability list.
But then again, I don’t attempt to put myself above God, or make myself into this impression of perfection…and I respect that all of God’s children have their own brains and thoughts.
Before you attempt to pray for others, Ministress, try resolving your own issues.
Oh…and stop harassing Maddy, too.
Anthony
Haha. Textbook Shelley. Always with the prayers and the plans and the big ole’ titties.
Remember when Shelley used to taunt me that the only thing my efforts accomplished was giving her free publicity, and promoting her? Gee, I wonder what’s changed….
Shelley had even gone so far as to file multiple DMCA complaints against my videos on YouTube — which initially got them pulled, and my account suspended. Of course, I prevailed on that, too: the videos are all back, my account restored with no “strikes,” and YouTube is now on the lookout for other false-flaggings by this public figure who tries to silence her critics through bogus DMCA filings.
Once again — so much for her jibe that my efforts only help her cause.
@Fartz, Sean and Anthony – I couldn’t have summed it up any better, my friends.
This is interesting. I used to donate to the pink cross foundation. I don’t care if someone likes porn or doesn’t. To each their own and who cares. I personally like doing it rather than watching it. I feel bad for people that can only watch it. Anyways, I thought the pink cross was a good service, helping others. In the beginning she seemed intelligent and lucid. She had a mother quality about her so I thought she was honest and good hearted. However, over the years I think she got a face lift and possibly lip injections. I’m against the pray the gay away and the racism is totally ignorant..and she compared herself to Dr. Martin Luther King JR. I believe he said something against racism that most of us know. I am worried about her, i’m not sure she knows what she is doing. She should stop all this and do something else. I just don’t understand, it’s very confusing. I feel bad for her children being dragged into all of this. I wouldn’t want my kids to be exposed to porn all the time, and she is doing it by hanging around ex porn”stars”, and talking about it all the time. The concept is good, helping girls that want help. I know there are other ministries that are better. Treasures is a good one, and xxx church. I don’t know what to say other than I hope she takes care of herself and reorganizes her focus. If you don’t like porn don’t watch it. I don’t like it, I wouldn’t want that to be the accomplishment and contribution I made to society as I lay on my deathbed. Or, when I am gone. Again, to each their own.
Kind Regards
I don’t watch porn because I fuck too many girls off “set” too even get into that. Seriously; I do have a “harem” of wealthy 24-28 year old Rich daddy’s girls and I fuck the liven shit out of them and that’s my sex life away from PORN. So I don’t watch porno either. Guy’s that are either into other people’s business and or “LIKE” checking out other guys and or don’t get laid watch porn. That’s so pathetic…..jerk off’s
But then Rick woke up and realized it was all a dream.
Or he decided to take his medication.
@loveislouder – Thank you for being not only Christian, but Christ-like in your outlook. Yes, Shelley’s message and tactics have changed, which is not surprising because her story has also changed.
Initially, she claimed that the reason she left porn was because of a car accident she had in 1994 (this would have been after she allegedly contracted herpes): following a high-speed crash which she miraculously survived, she went to see the car, which had been totaled, the next day. She claimed “a voice” told her to pop in the cassette which was in the player, and the song that played was “Last Chance” by Duran Duran. She then knew, she claimed, that G-d was speaking to her, and giving her one more chance to change her life and fly right. (What makes me laugh most about this tale is that the song title is actually “Last Chance on the Stairway” — I guess G-d almighty got the title wrong — and the lyric has nothing at all to do with spiritual salvation.)
So, in early versions of her story, she presumably had no problem continuing to work in the adult industry with “herpes, a non-curable disease” and potentially infecting others with an STI for which the industry did not test universally.
Furthermore, during her appearance on The Dr. Phil Show (air-date January 11, 2006) she only mentioned having contracted ONE STI (“I ended up with an STD later on in life”), and she attributed that STD to her career in prostitution, NOT porn. The STD with which Shelley was diagnosed “later in life” was, in fact, the extremely common HPV, not Herpes.
But with a story like that, what did she have other than “I am the prodigal”? She was just a victim of her own irresponsibility, a woman who made a series of bad life decisions and ended up with an STI that at least 50% of all sexually active people will contract at some point — she HAD TO change her tale to make herself a “victim of porn.” That’s where the money was — jumping on the anti-porn bandwagon. So, that’s where the “I caught herpes in porn” myth came in.
Examine her quotes from 2005 – 2007, and note that, despite having been saved from the evil of pornography, Shelley had still kept copies of her old porn movies on VHS.
“There are so many interesting bizarre people [in porn]. I’m so non-judgmental. I see God in all of it because they are His creation…. I don’t really like to call myself a Christian because I don’t want to be associated with religious people who judge. Jesus didn’t judge.” — Shelley Lubben, interview with Luke Ford, September 2005
“It is part of my nature to practice 2 Corinthians 10:5, it is part of my nature to cast out any negative thoughts.” — Shelley Lubben, on The 700 Club, 2007
But once Shelley had her website going, and she started hanging out with extremist anti-porn characters, her rhetoric shifted and she began to vocalize and project her own self-hatred and anger:
“Porn stars love drug dealers. We go together…. We’re all drug addicts and alcoholics….Those girls are slaves of Satan. They serve Satan.” – Shelley Lubben, 2008
“Welcome to HIV Hell baby!” — Shelley Lubben, commenting on adult performer “Patient Zeta” being diagnosed with HIV, 2010
As Maxxx Peters wrote for Whack! Magazine, Lubben “was desperate for some sort of affection and structure, and she tried to find that in sex work. And, just as clearly, she did not find what she needed. Now, I’m happy that Jesus has given her the support she failed to find elsewhere, but it seems clear to me that she is exaggerating the degree to which she has ‘gotten over’ the issues that drove her to pornography in the first place. She is still working those issues out; where before she was projecting the image of the father she wished she had onto a California pimp, now she’s projecting the image of herself, the girl she wants to save, onto every woman in the industry. The fact that she has insisted on playing this out in as public a fashion as possible convinces me that Shelley Lubben is a long way away from not needing to be externally validated in order to feel ok about herself.
“As a proponent of porn maybe I should appreciate the self-sabotage Lubben inflicted on the opposing argument during the Cambridge debate; maybe I should be glad that Lubben was there to make the anti-porn argument look hysterical and simple-minded. But I’m not, because the debate can not move forward, can not accomplish anything, unless the arguments on both sides evolve, becoming more complex and nuanced as they actually make an impact on each other. That leads, or could lead, to real analysis, and potentially to real answers regarding the nature of pornography, its effects, and its relationship to our culture. Simply repeating the same hackneyed phrases and objections over and over and over will not help to develop the debate; indeed, this is not debating at all, it’s preaching, if not outright filibustering.”
Opposing pornography on moral grounds is a legitimate position, and it is certainly a noble purpose to assist people in the sex industry in their transition to a different life should they so choose. But sustaining and promoting stereotypes and libels about adult performers AS WELL AS SUPPORTERS of the adult industry and free speech, by calling them all, “jaded, diseased, demonized” mentally ill, drug-infested, slaves of Satan is reprehensible and un-Christian. I’ll be damned if Shelley Lubben is going to be MY judge.